12 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I just don't see how someone goes from being the quality he was last year to a player with zero positional sense (his main problem I think) and a brain running half the speed of everyone else. 

Covid is a weird virus, with some weird symptoms and after effects.

Difficulty with thinking and concentration (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

I think you are misrepresenting my posts on Willian, and especially his corner taking.  I doubt that even the young lad who googles the buggery out of Havertz every day could find a post of mine defending Willian's corner taking. 

My view on Willian was always that he had a role in the team that didn't actually suit the role that some people thought he should be performing, and that, consequently, they slated him for every missed pass or over-run dribble.  FFS, we even had some tit in here celebrating in the match-day thread because Willian got injured.  Just consider that for a minute.  a so-called Chelsea "fan" coming onto an internet forum during the match JUST to post a big cheer because one of our own players got injured and had to go off the pitch.

I'll get my stats-stalker onto it if you like, but Willian's stats for us were consistent with his stats throughout his entire career.  That didn't satisfy some people who decided that his only role was as a goal-scorer and he was failing in that duty, the same people by the way who still derided him when he did have a decent season, or was voted player of the season and players' player of the season.

I support Havertz, I just don't think he should be anywhere near the first team at the moment - he needs to get his head right at the very least.

Oh, I didn't start the sick leave thing.  Some tit said that the reason he has been so incredibly underwhelming this season is that he had Covid.  My opinion was and is that if he hasn't recovered he shouldn't be playing, and he could have called in sick until he had.  The amount of time is neither here nor there. 

If the Chelsea doctors say he is fit and fine, that's great, but then googling teenagers can't use "he hasn't fully recovered from Covid" as an excuse for not being able to play football any better than I would.

Oh no, I did not misrepresent your posts on William and totally agreed with them in general, and with you in that what we got from him is what he always was. We could not ask from him any more because his role was not to score and give week in, week out assists (that would have been nice, though). He had other roles in the team, and I think this season at the moment we miss some of his skills and experience (though given how he is performing at Arsenal, I don't really miss him). But I remember (I'm not one of the young google wizards, I grew up having to remember by heart telephone numbers) you saying in one particular post that William's corners maybe were not really at fault but that our players were not in the appropriate areas to receive them. That has improved much this season, fortunately, probably due to Mount providing better corners, but also it is clear that we have improved attacking and defending set pieces. In any case, William was average and my mentioning it was because I thought it was funny how you were defending average quality of an almost 30 yo William while not wanting to see in the first team a 21 years old Havertz that has been average-poor (for what we expected).

Anyway, this is not a topic to compare two different players and I wouldn't want to derail this into a William v Havertz. I think Havertz has not done well in the last couple of matches, but the team has been bad all over the pitch too (difference being that we've seen great of other players while not yet from Havertz). I think we are going through the typical December dip and we'll come good in the end. And Havertz needs to pick up where he left before he got COVID and show us that he is worth of playing in Chelsea Blue. However, I'll support Franks decisions and lineups. If he is fit and Frank decides to play him, we need to get behind and give him time to develop.

10 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

I dont even think Havertz was that great before covid, I think its abit of a myth because his that bad now. Yeah he had the odd moment and the hattrick against Barnsley reserves but he wasn't great.

Personally think the covid thing is a lame excuse now, Chelsea fc have some of the nest doctors in the world and if he wasn't fit he wouldnt be playing, end off. Like I said I dont think he has been playing that well overall this season before or after covid.

He wasn't amazing like some people on here are suggesting, like Gol who is mr hyperbole. But he did look good and was coming into his own a bit. 

I did really like the way he got back into the Southampton game after that stupid mistake he did made. But there's no defending his performances since the COVID period, he looks lost out there and it's during our big slump. Mount wasn't particularly good last game, but he was still making himself useful and not making critical errors whenever he received the ball. That's a big difference right there. 

6 minutes ago, RMH said:

Oh no, I did not misrepresent your posts on William and totally agreed with them in general, and with you in that what we got from him is what he always was. We could not ask from him any more because his role was not to score and give week in, week out assists (that would have been nice, though). He had other roles in the team, and I think this season at the moment we miss some of his skills and experience (though given how he is performing at Arsenal, I don't really miss him). But I remember (I'm not one of the young google wizards, I grew up having to remember by heart telephone numbers) you saying in one particular post that William's corners maybe were not really at fault but that our players were not in the appropriate areas to receive them. That has improved much this season, fortunately, probably due to Mount providing better corners, but also it is clear that we have improved attacking and defending set pieces. In any case, William was average and my mentioning it was because I thought it was funny how you were defending average quality of an almost 30 yo William while not wanting to see in the first team a 21 years old Havertz that has been average-poor (for what we expected).

Anyway, this is not a topic to compare two different players and I wouldn't want to derail this into a William v Havertz. I think Havertz has not done well in the last couple of matches, but the team has been bad all over the pitch too (difference being that we've seen great of other players while not yet from Havertz). I think we are going through the typical December dip and we'll come good in the end. And Havertz needs to pick up where he left before he got COVID and show us that he is worth of playing in Chelsea Blue. However, I'll support Franks decisions and lineups. If he is fit and Frank decides to play him, we need to get behind and give him time to develop.

That's all fair comment, mate.  I don't remember praising a corner, but then I could have been drunk or on a wind-up at the time, who knows?

 

Let's hope Havertz comes good (and soon).

Just now, yorkleyblue said:

That's all fair comment, mate.  I don't remember praising a corner, but then I could have been drunk or on a wind-up at the time, who knows?

 

Let's hope Havertz comes good (and soon).

I always felt you were defending Willian from all the unfair criticism he received. By unfair I mean over the top, he was a common scapegoat for many. I've had my criticism with Willian before, like in 14/15 when he had about 3 goals and 4 assists in 36 games and Hazard practically carried the team. But other than that he was a solid player here, inconsistent at times, purple patches yes, but he did finish very strongly imo, last season was probably his best in a Chelsea shirt for me. 

He stepped up when it mattered which I appreciated. 

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Even if he didn't have anything, for a professional to just stop training for a few weeks and then wait from late October till the start of December in order to start a game again isn't optimal specially since there was no pre-season and it's not like he was already familiar with the club, league and so on.

I guess it's just too hard to accept that he's our new player that is also 21 years old which means that he will need to adjust and to become more consistent, he also needs time to fully integrate into the system - he was played outside of his comfort zone for more than a few games but make no mistake the short time period from the end of September till mid-October when he was our attacking midfielder he played well, during that period he had 3 games in a row as the attacking midfielder where he either scored or assisted, he made his first assist after being at the club for only around 3 weeks and without a pre-season, so to think that he was never great or that "he never showed anything" is being willfully blind, full stop there.

You're trying really hard to make Lampard look like a fraud for signing Havertz but nobody thought that Havertz would automatically start a strong season, it was pretty clear that for most of us it was a relief when we finally finished with his signing.

Wtf are you talking about, you are way too defensive. Why the hell would I try and make Lampard look a fraud ffs, it makes no sense. The bloke is a legend and i hope he can win many trophies as Chelsea manager.

My opinion is since Havertz has been a Chelsea player we have since glimpses of him and the occasional good performance but I dont think he has been great. He wasnt great before covid or after and I think some people's opinions are mislead because he has been worse since covid.

I never said he never showed anything, it's you who doesnt stop banging on about the Barnsley hattrrick or the tap in he scored in the league. Does my opinion mean I think his a s*** player, no. Does it mean I want Chelsea to sell him, no. Do I think he will come good, I hope so. You need to get off your high horse and stop making out people hate the bloke just because his not playing well. We all understand the points you keep banging on about but is he not playing well. Can fans discuss that, of course we can and but we all hope he bangs a few in against West Ham.

 

36 minutes ago, coco said:

Covid is a weird virus, with some weird symptoms and after effects.

Difficulty with thinking and concentration (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

Hopefully it is that. He's looked worse since Covid, but he wasn't exactly incredible before it. 

If it is, then Lampard (not Havertz) needs to stop starting him in every game.

He needs to work him in from the bench.

 

I was OK with his performances early on. The talent was obvious, and it seemed he just needed some time to figure out how to apply it effectively. The post corona performances have been terrible, but there's a feasible explanation for that.

I'm keeping an open mind for now. I think it's way too early to panic about having another Kepa on our hands, and anybody saying he's been one of our best players this season is talking bollocks.

He's been effective in the team up until Everton and Wolves, where he was absolute pants, Before that most of his good work was clever link up play. It's no coincidence we played terrible as a team on the worst two performances he's personally put in since he came to us.

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Hopefully it is that. He's looked worse since Covid, but he wasn't exactly incredible before it. 

If it is, then Lampard (not Havertz) needs to stop starting him in every game.

He needs to work him in from the bench.

 

I will wait until the end of the season before judging Frank, it's the big picture that matters.

14 minutes ago, coco said:

I will wait until the end of the season before judging Frank, it's the big picture that matters.

 

21 minutes ago, bluedave said:

I was OK with his performances early on. The talent was obvious, and it seemed he just needed some time to figure out how to apply it effectively. The post corona performances have been terrible, but there's a feasible explanation for that.

I'm keeping an open mind for now. I think it's way too early to panic about having another Kepa on our hands, and anybody saying he's been one of our best players this season is talking bollocks.

 

23 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Hopefully it is that. He's looked worse since Covid, but he wasn't exactly incredible before it. 

If it is, then Lampard (not Havertz) needs to stop starting him in every game.

He needs to work him in from the bench.

 

Simple as that. Why all the premature panic and long tense posts? It's unfortunate that you cannot make the rational inference based on evidence (or the lack of it) and just say " Let's wait and see, he had a good record in Germany, Frank's not an idiot and can probably judge the potential of a footballer, our coaching staff aren't a bunch of idiots and see many things we cannot, this isn't the first player to struggle at the start (see Salah, de Bruyne and so many others), etc.".

You may think that this constant premature moaning (match chat or otherwise) doesn't do anything but it obviously lowers the mood both in the match threads and otherwise. Havertz may or may not come good but we just do not know yet! Wait and see, it can't be that hard to do surely.

It's almost as if many players adapt differently to a new league and surroundings. 

22 hours ago, Paddy said:

Thanks for taking the time to post this - at last something that I can understand rather than pie charts and graphs which I can not - bloody hell, doesn’t make a great read does it?

£75 million for the potential to be a world class player and without any guarantee of course,  is that honestly the going rate ?

World class, well he’s got a f**king long way to go cause right now, I’m sorry to say, he’s f**king hopeless - I mean he f**ks up the basics - a 5 yard pass under hit every time ffs - no wonder James was giving him the death stare - that’s a potential career ending leg brake !!!? 

We well and truly had our pants pulled down with Kepa, is this going the same way ?

At the risk of being suicidally depressed further, do you have insightful opinions on Werner ? 

 

Long way to go to World Class for sure, but I am convinced that he has the potential to reach that level. But of course I can´t look into the future. Back in 2012 every German football fan was convinced that Mario Götze would be a potential Ballon Dor Winner and his career turned to sh*t after his move to Bayern.

 

On Werner, I´m pretty biased. I never really rated him, because in my opinion he profited a lot from the Leipzig system, which relies on high pressing, ball recoveries and fast passes behind the defensive line. With his unbelievable pace and his great timing of runs, this system fit him perfectly. In the National team you could sometimes see him struggling against teams who sit deep and don´t give him much space to run into. His touch is just not on a great level and he is often disposessed when he takes on defenders 1 on 1. And he isn´t that clinical of a striker in my opinion, there were a lot of games where he missed a lot clear cut chances. But then he has those freakish games where he scores 3 or 4 from impossible angles. Really hard to grasp as a player. I can´t argue against his goal scoring record of course.

Here's what Lampard had to say about the situation in todays presser.

Havertz will have every chance to become a great player at the club. Not sure West Ham is a game he should start in. They will be compact, have a tough physical midfield and be dangerous on the break so it's sounds like a bit of a recipe for disaster to have Havertz in his current form on the pitch. And another shocker would be bad for his confidence and supporters confidence in him.

I also think people get slightly anxious when someone have had as poor a start as Havertz have had. Every "generational talent" we have bought over the years who's been successes at the club have showed undoubted quality from the get-go. Thinking of Hazard, Mata and Arjen Robben back in 2004. You knew right away they would become top players for the club. Obviously we haven't seen that from Kai yet but i have faith it will come.

51 minutes ago, UnexpectedGuest said:

 

Long way to go to World Class for sure, but I am convinced that he has the potential to reach that level. But of course I can´t look into the future. Back in 2012 every German football fan was convinced that Mario Götze would be a potential Ballon Dor Winner and his career turned to sh*t after his move to Bayern.

 

On Werner, I´m pretty biased. I never really rated him, because in my opinion he profited a lot from the Leipzig system, which relies on high pressing, ball recoveries and fast passes behind the defensive line. With his unbelievable pace and his great timing of runs, this system fit him perfectly. In the National team you could sometimes see him struggling against teams who sit deep and don´t give him much space to run into. His touch is just not on a great level and he is often disposessed when he takes on defenders 1 on 1. And he isn´t that clinical of a striker in my opinion, there were a lot of games where he missed a lot clear cut chances. But then he has those freakish games where he scores 3 or 4 from impossible angles. Really hard to grasp as a player. I can´t argue against his goal scoring record of course.

Thanks for the Werner appraisal, I think you are spot on in your assessment, it really is very accurate given what we’ve seen so far -  we are just discovering his talent, abilities and shortcomings - he’s been involved in setting up a couple of cracking goals which involved his pace, lots and lots of ffs !!!!!!!!!  misses and often a terrible terrible first touch and control - don’t think anyone could argue with you that he is not a clinical striker !! 

Sincerely hope your conviction that Havertz will become world class comes to fruition ?

38 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Here's what Lampard had to say about the situation in todays presser.

Havertz will have every chance to become a great player at the club. Not sure West Ham is a game he should start in. They will be compact, have a tough physical midfield and be dangerous on the break so it's sounds like a bit of a recipe for disaster to have Havertz in his current form on the pitch. And another shocker would be bad for his confidence and supporters confidence in him.

I also think people get slightly anxious when someone have had as poor a start as Havertz have had. Every "generational talent" we have bought over the years who's been successes at the club have showed undoubted quality from the get-go. Thinking of Hazard, Mata and Arjen Robben back in 2004. You knew right away they would become top players for the club. Obviously we haven't seen that from Kai yet but i have faith it will come.

I'm happy that Lampard has also said it. The way he talks makes me more confident of what I've thought already, that Lampard's vision is to play Mason and Kai as the two number 8's.

There is an interesting article about Lampard's formations:

https://theprideoflondon.com/2020/12/17/chelsea-no-plan-b-already-using/ 

Also they have another interesting one about Kai that has a relation with the previous one, Kai has shown that he can play well in a 4-2-3-1 as well in one of the first games: 

https://theprideoflondon.com/2020/12/17/kai-havertzs-role-chelsea-up-debate/

"Instead of continuing with the 4-2-3-1 that was getting some output from the Havertz, Lampard reverted back to a 4-3-3, wanting greater productivity from his wide men, but also to occupy N’Golo Kante and Mason Mount into their natural stations. With the pair in comfortable conditions, Havertz dropped deeper as one half of a dual eight system with Mount, possessing good energy and work rate but lacking in the creative department.

With his formation settled upon, Lampard then began to rearrange his furniture, alternating Havertz from a right-central midfielder to a right-wing/forward without either portraying much positivity. What is seemingly out of the question is to start the £71 million signing on the bench. That figure in itself gives the reason behind the reluctance to exclude him from the starting line-up; the most expensive substitute in world football is not a title Havertz, nor Roman Abramovich, would be keen upon landing."

 

1 hour ago, UnexpectedGuest said:

 

Long way to go to World Class for sure, but I am convinced that he has the potential to reach that level. But of course I can´t look into the future. Back in 2012 every German football fan was convinced that Mario Götze would be a potential Ballon Dor Winner and his career turned to sh*t after his move to Bayern.

 

On Werner, I´m pretty biased. I never really rated him, because in my opinion he profited a lot from the Leipzig system, which relies on high pressing, ball recoveries and fast passes behind the defensive line. With his unbelievable pace and his great timing of runs, this system fit him perfectly. In the National team you could sometimes see him struggling against teams who sit deep and don´t give him much space to run into. His touch is just not on a great level and he is often disposessed when he takes on defenders 1 on 1. And he isn´t that clinical of a striker in my opinion, there were a lot of games where he missed a lot clear cut chances. But then he has those freakish games where he scores 3 or 4 from impossible angles. Really hard to grasp as a player. I can´t argue against his goal scoring record of course.

I think Havertz will become a good player for us, but it is proving at the time difficult for him, especially now that we have hit the period when we typically have a bad spell of results (end of November and December we are capable of losing to dross like Bournemouth or West Ham at home). But, he is 21 and his inconsistency is expected. He just needs time to adapt and grow as a player. Hopefully he does that here at Chelsea.

Regarding Werner, I see him very much as a less clinical (yet) copy of Vardy, he would be perfect for Leicester's style. But, I quite like his attitude and the way he tries to look for the space behind the defenders. Hopefully, he will become more clinical. But his speed is just unbelievable.

3 hours ago, bluedave said:

I was OK with his performances early on. The talent was obvious, and it seemed he just needed some time to figure out how to apply it effectively. The post corona performances have been terrible, but there's a feasible explanation for that.

I'm keeping an open mind for now. I think it's way too early to panic about having another Kepa on our hands, and anybody saying he's been one of our best players this season is talking bollocks.

See, when I said that I got a tsunami of google-stats, very selective videos and pictures of cakes.

55 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

See, when I said that I got a tsunami of google-stats, very selective videos and pictures of cakes.

This thread would've been perfectly fine if it wasn't for that usual person who has to go on endless tirades about how your opinions are wrong and whatever I say is the greatest ever you better believe it, like our very own Donald Trump. 

I can't say I've seen many people write him off, just that they're concerned over his performances. The only resistance is basically telling TheShedEnd Trump to calm down on calling him a generational talent and our bestest player ever because of a pie chart. If it wasn't for that nonsense this thread would've been reasonable and calm. 

Edited December 18, 20205 yr by Slojo

50 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

See, when I said that I got a tsunami of google-stats, very selective videos and pictures of cakes.

Sound like somebody's taken a special liking to you. Either that, or they've realised I have them on ignore and only see what they say in other people's quotes.

5 hours ago, coco said:

Covid is a weird virus, with some weird symptoms and after effects.

Difficulty with thinking and concentration (sometimes referred to as “brain fog”)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

To be honest if he really has these symptoms why is he playing professional football? That would be the worst player management I have ever seen.

49 minutes ago, Slojo said:

This thread would've been perfectly fine if it wasn't for that usual person who has to go on endless tirades about how your opinions are wrong and whatever I say is the greatest ever you better believe it, like our very own Donald Trump. 

I can't say I've seen many people write him off, just that they're concerned over his performances. The only resistance is basically telling TheShedEnd Trump to calm down on calling him a generational talent and our bestest player ever because of a pie chart. If it wasn't for that nonsense this thread would've been reasonable and calm. 

Except I prefer facts and reason, that makes me more reasonable than you, as usual.

Funny how Lampard basically said what I have said, and not what you or yorkey have said. 

I'm the resistance, you're the scapegoating anti-facts guys. Keep hanging on to that and you'll be just like Trump, a loser.

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Except I prefer facts and reason, that makes me more reasonable than you, as usual.

Funny how Lampard basically said what I have said, and not what you or yorkey have said. 

I'm the resistance, you're the scapegoating anti-facts guys. Keep hanging on to that and you'll be just like Trump, a loser.

Lampard also said Kepa would be our number 1 keeper and that we have faith in him after the Southampton game, why did he say that you think? he's not going to say Havertz isn't ready is he... 

Literally nobody in here is even saying Kai is going to be a flop, they're just arguing against your ridiculous standards that you set for Chelsea players time and time again. 

You are our very own Ty off AFTV for Chelsea fans. 

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Lampard also said Kepa would be our number 1 keeper and that we have faith in him after the Southampton game, why did he say that you think? he's not going to say Havertz isn't ready is he... 

Literally nobody in here is even saying Kai is going to be a flop, they're just arguing against your ridiculous standards that you set for Chelsea players time and time again. 

You are our very own Ty off AFTV for Chelsea fans. 

If you go back to page 85, I quoted someone when I stated:

On 28/11/2020 at 20:27, Gol15 said:

Kovacic should start against Spurs tomorrow but as soon as Kai is back in full fitness he's in the starting lineup.

This is exactly what has happened and I said it before hand.

At that particular time, Kai had just came back from having covid but prior to that he had a short period of 3 games where he had been making an assist or a goal, showing some consistency that was comparable to Mount at the time by all means. He gets covid, misses 2 weeks of training and suddenly people are saying that he shouldn't even play at all.

Now you're basically telling me what, that even Lampard is wrong then? He's what, lying according to you? And as a consequence, so am I and all others that have said the same thing? Did we also said those things because we simply must do it just like Lampard, or is he paying us to say the same things that he will say later on, it's all a part of a master plan according to you?

I notice that you keep doing these ad-hominem type of responses as soon as someone is telling you something that you don't want to hear, when I pointed out that Kovacic never actually showed that he can play for us that advanced number 8 role that Lampard wants to play with Havertz, you automatically started with these things, "you go back to your graphs", now you tried to tell me indirectly, "you're like Trump", "you're like aftv", is that the best you can do?

Let's say that you are on to something here when you're blaming me for all this overwhelmingly negative feedback regarding Havertz even when I'm actually defending him...

Is it really all my fault, because if I hadn't said 3 weeks ago that Kai has been one of our best players, people wouldn't have lost their minds over him, how silly of me!
If I only knew that I had so much influence around here! I should be more careful of what I say, clearly that 1 sentence ruined everything!

Do you really believe that yourself, I mean you're not even aware that this is just another way of you making an ad-hominem attack?

It doesn't matter that Mendy gifted a penalty, doesn't matter that Podence fooled both Chilwell, James and that Mendy left his near side uncovered, it's all about Kai.
Let's all scapegoat him, how arrogant from Kai to order Lampard to play him he should have said that he had covid!!! (I mean that is what Yorkey and you believe in right? Or is it just Yorkey? You seem so similar it's hard to tell)...

Anyway, so sorry for that 1 sentence I wrote, if it wasn't for that 1 sentence nobody would even come to this thread to say anything about Kai at all!

All these nice people like yourself and Yorkey would have just waited till he scored a goal, or something... And then you would have entered here peacefully and posted a nice comment and inserted a nice emoji because you are such nice and reasonable people... You showed me the way, it doesn't matter what Lampard says it only matters what YOU say!

So sorry my son, I have failed you and your good will disappeared because of...my...1...sentence...3 weeks...ago...  

 

Edited December 18, 20205 yr by Gol15

8 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

If you go back to page 85, I quoted someone when I stated:

This is exactly what has happened and I said it before hand.

At that particular time, Kai had just came back from having covid but prior to that he had a short period of 3 games where he had been making an assist or a goal, showing some consistency that was comparable to Mount at the time by all means. He gets covid, misses 2 weeks of training and suddenly people are saying that he shouldn't even play at all.

Now you're basically telling me what, that even Lampard is wrong then? He's what, lying according to you? And as a consequence, so am I and all others that have said the same thing? Did we also said those things because we simply must do it just like Lampard, or is he paying us to say the same things that he will say later on, it's all a part of a master plan according to you?

I notice that you keep doing these ad-hominem type of responses as soon as someone is telling you something that you don't want to hear, when I pointed out that Kovacic never actually showed that he can play for us that advanced number 8 role that Lampard wants to play with Havertz, you automatically started with these things, "you go back to your graphs", now you tried to tell me indirectly, "you're like Trump", "you're like aftv", is that the best you can do?

Let's say that you are on to something here when you're blaming me for all this overwhelmingly negative feedback regarding Havertz even when I'm actually defending him...

Is it really all my fault, because if I hadn't said 3 weeks ago that Kai has been one of our best players, people wouldn't have lost their minds over him, how silly of me!
If I only knew that I had so much influence around here! I should be more careful of what I say, clearly that 1 sentence ruined everything!

Do you really believe that yourself, I mean you're not even aware that this is just another way of you making an ad-hominem attack?

It doesn't matter that Mendy gifted a penalty, doesn't matter that Podence fooled both Chilwell, James and that Mendy left his near side uncovered, it's all about Kai.
Let's all scapegoat him, how arrogant from Kai to order Lampard to play him he should have said that he had covid!!! (I mean that is what Yorkey and you believe in right? Or is it just Yorkey? You seem so similar it's hard to tell)...

Anyway, so sorry for that 1 sentence I wrote, if it wasn't for that 1 sentence nobody would even come to this thread to say anything about Kai at all!

All these nice people like yourself and Yorkey would have just waited till he scored a goal, or something... And then you would have entered here peacefully and posted a nice comment and inserted a nice emoji because you are such nice and reasonable people... You showed me the way, it doesn't matter what Lampard says it only matters what YOU say!

So sorry my son, I have failed you and your good will disappeared because of...my...1...sentence...3 weeks...ago...  

 

That's fair enough, I did miss that comment. 

Quite honestly, I don't really care if you think Kai should start against West Ham, who knows, it might be the right decision. I just think you need to calm down with calling him our best player, a gnerational talent etc. He's still got a lot to prove, you can be excited, but f**k me, it's a recurring theme with you when we get young players. And it's perfectly okay to admit if a player you like has an absolute mare, you don't need to throw others under the bus or exaggerate to defend a player you like. 

Anyway, if Kai does play against West Ham, I don't think he will (start anyway), I hope he does prove me wrong big time. 

Edited December 18, 20205 yr by Slojo