6 hours ago, Snedger said:

So basically, if you’re good and believe you’re good, then you can only sign for City to guarantee that you’ll win everything. Anyone who agrees to sign for Arsenal or us, or anyone else is basically saying “I’ve no ambition and I’m not actually that good and I’ll just sign for Chelsea because I’m ok with not winning anything whilst playing for the best manager. I’ll just take the money to piss about at Stamford Bridge or Old Trafford or wherever.

Not what I said, nor was it what I was relying to.

The post I replied to implied Rice might go to City and accept being a squad player/bench warmer. I was saying if he chose City, he should and probably would go there with the mentality he would be an important player for them.

I wasn’t saying ‘good players should only go city’ or anything along those lines.

west ham are a joke, thank god we dodged this bullet! 100m for Rice is insanity

I hope Pep signs him for 150m. The beginning of the end for Man City.

West Ham are pulling everyone’s pants down with Rice. £100m?!

Declan Rice. 100M. Let that sink in.

Utter madness.

Soucek, his midfield partner is Czech. If Rice was Czech, too, or Polish, or Swiss, he'd not be worth more than 40-45M.

Rice's price tag is similar to Bellingham and there is no way he's as good as him, or even close. Nor is he any better than other cheaper midfielders such as Caicedo, Tchouameni, Lavia, Camavinga, Tonali etc.

 

 

100mill plus 5 mill add ons. Over to you City.

22 hours ago, Argo said:

Got to hand it to them though, they have the most genius PR team. They have produced one of the biggest title bottle jobs in PL and it's getting casually brushed under the carpet because "young team".

It's almost as if Edu and Arteta created a ready made excuse.

Unsurprising as they've been doing it for years. Arsenal's refusal to invest in their squad all the while charging their fans through the nose at the Emirates meant that expectations were low and profits remained high. Their fans have been utterly, continually mugged off.

Just you watch, not a word will be said on Arteta spending over 500m since he’s managed Arsenal if Havertz, Rice, and Timbers go through. 

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

100mill plus 5 mill add ons. Over to you City.

Citeh have offered 90mill. With Pep and Arteta wanting him so badly, looks like West Ham might well get the 100mill.

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Edited June 28, 20233 yr by Blue Exile

Arsenal offer £105m, City not interested in getting into a bidding war and have pulled out.

Good signing. Still can't see how Havertz fits into a midfield 3 though (if that's the plan). 

16 minutes ago, Blue Exile said:

Arsenal offer £105m, City not interested in getting into a bidding war and have pulled out.

Quite right. He's vastly overrated 

160 odd million on Rice and Havertz. That's mental

Isn't it a bit rich from us having a go at them paying that much for Declan Rice? Enzo wasen't even in Europe over a year ago and we paid silly money.

Declan Rice is premier league proven and one of the best midfielders in the league, he has leadership material and he's english.

Im not comparing him to anyone but that's the going rate for a midfielder these days. There's more of a risk spending that much money on Enzo Fernandez than there is with Declan Rice.

 

 

Edited June 28, 20233 yr by Sheva

1 hour ago, Hessleboink said:

Good signing. Still can't see how Havertz fits into a midfield 3 though (if that's the plan). 

Similarly I am a little surprised that Jorginho wasn't used as part of the deal t soften the financial cost. I am not sure where this leaves him and a move to West Ham may have suited all. Doesn't Rice joining them mean Jorginho becomes a bench player at best now.

2 hours ago, Sheva said:

Isn't it a bit rich from us having a go at them paying that much for Declan Rice? Enzo wasen't even in Europe over a year ago and we paid silly money.

Declan Rice is premier league proven and one of the best midfielders in the league, he has leadership material and he's english.

Im not comparing him to anyone but that's the going rate for a midfielder these days. There's more of a risk spending that much money on Enzo Fernandez than there is with Declan Rice.

 

 

Enzo won the FIFA Young Player Award.  When he won the World Cup . . . he is an elite player.  Head and shoulders above Declan Rice.  imho

6 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Enzo won the FIFA Young Player Award.  When he won the World Cup . . . he is an elite player.  Head and shoulders above Declan Rice.  imho

Im not comparing the players in terms of quality but I just think Enzo was more of a risk as a signing because of him adapting to another country and the league. Rice will likely not have to move house and he's been playing in this league since he was 18.

You know what you get with Declan Rice.

 

 

11 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Just you watch, not a word will be said on Arteta spending over 500m since he’s managed Arsenal if Havertz, Rice, and Timbers go through. 

Correction, £600m. 

 

I have never seen the fuss about rice.

48 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I have never seen the fuss about rice.

I'm reserving judgement. It's easy to stand out at WH, a pretty poor team.

1 hour ago, Sheva said:

Im not comparing the players in terms of quality but I just think Enzo was more of a risk as a signing because of him adapting to another country and the league. Rice will likely not have to move house and he's been playing in this league since he was 18.

You know what you get with Declan Rice.

 

 

True. True. But Enzo adapted quickly - he is generational talent.  Other winners of the Young Player award include Pele, Beckenbauer, Michael Owen, Mbappe, oh and Landon Donovan. . .lol

3 hours ago, Sheva said:

Im not comparing the players in terms of quality but I just think Enzo was more of a risk as a signing because of him adapting to another country and the league. Rice will likely not have to move house and he's been playing in this league since he was 18.

You know what you get with Declan Rice.

 

 

I disagree, we of all supporters should know that PL proven players isn't the risk free market it's made out to be.

And for Rice being PL proven Enzo is progressive system proven and has also proved he can handle extreme pressure, I guess Rice has to some extent now with the ECL win but that's still nothing on a World Cup final.

2 hours ago, El regreso said:

I have never seen the fuss about rice.

it gets better with a bit of soy sauce  

38 minutes ago, Argo said:

I disagree, we of all supporters should know that PL proven players isn't the risk free market it's made out to be.

And for Rice being PL proven Enzo is progressive system proven and has also proved he can handle extreme pressure, I guess Rice has to some extent now with the ECL win but that's still nothing on a World Cup final.

40 games for River Plate, 17 games for Benfica and 13 international caps

204 games for West Ham and 43 international caps

I'm not talking about Enzo the player we have now but Enzo the player we signed, if we're comparing the two there's 100% more of a risk signing a South American player over someone like Declan Rice for that fee and we as supporters should know that talented younger players from other leagues is not everything. There's more upside to Enzo potentially but there's more risk because you don't know how he adjusts to life in this country and that's a massive part of signing someone.

No market is risk free but they are signing the potential future England captain. I don't even rate him that highly but you can see what he brings to the table and that's why they are paying so much.

I just find it a little funny we are all laughing at the fee for Rice when we got rinced by Benfica.

Edited June 28, 20233 yr by Sheva

37 minutes ago, Sheva said:

I'm not talking about Enzo the player we have now but Enzo the player we signed

Enzo the Magnificent.  Enzo the World cup winner. Enzo the best young player at the World Cup joining the like of Mbappe, Micahel Owen, Beckenbauer and Pele.  Enzo was on our 2030 vision List.  One of the best prospects in the World. A generational talent. You're talking about the Enzo?