So far I see a lot of Kante in him, tbh. He works his socks off, he covers a lot of ground and recovers the ball high up many times. He’s not the technical wizard, but his role in stopping the opponents build up is something that has to be highlighted.

3 hours ago, Kev56 said:

What the f**k does that mean?

Made my feelings on the owners quite clear. Several still believe they have the best interests of the club at heart. I don't, I see them having a plan to make the most money off us possible and double or triple their money when selling us in 8 and a half years.

Floggin Conor shows they have no clue nor care for the soul of this club.

48 minutes ago, mojo said:

@axman2526 enlighten me with this trans atlantic mindset

 

thank you

Wanna run that one by me again Mojo?

Edited December 19, 20232 yr by axman2526

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

Wanna run that one by me again Mojo?

must have forgotten 

1 minute ago, mojo said:

must have forgotten 

Ok you have me baffled mate, what you talking about lol?

Just now, axman2526 said:

Ok you have me baffled mate, what you talking about lol?

well, beside that it is a working day today, what the f**k do these owners want from Chelsea? only profit, like we buy mediocres with a lifespan working contract just to sell them in January to make some profit. caching!

forget it, I just wish that Roman eviction never happened.

Up the Chels

 

1 minute ago, mojo said:

well, beside that it is a working day today, what the f**k do these owners want from Chelsea? only profit, like we buy mediocres with a lifespan working contract just to sell them in January to make some profit. caching!

forget it, I just wish that Roman eviction never happened.

Up the Chels

 

Ah you want to get me on my soap box about our owners, I see lol. Gladly.

 

I am with you, we had the best owner in the world who loves our club ripped away after the UK government made it hard for him to even be in the country long before this war.

 

Now we have a bunch of money grabbers, some like Wyss who have even admitted they don't like football and tennis is his game. 

But the majority is with Clearlake, or Clownlake as some fans have started calling them. Want proof they don't care about our clubs heart or soul? Let's see what happens with Conor shall we?

3 hours ago, mojo said:

well, beside that it is a working day today, what the f**k do these owners want from Chelsea? only profit, like we buy mediocres with a lifespan working contract just to sell them in January to make some profit. caching!

forget it, I just wish that Roman eviction never happened.

Up the Chels

 

If Roman stayed Conor (and Colwill) probably wouldn't have made it into the squad in the first place.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Ah you want to get me on my soap box about our owners, I see lol. Gladly.

 

I am with you, we had the best owner in the world who loves our club ripped away after the UK government made it hard for him to even be in the country long before this war.

 

Now we have a bunch of money grabbers, some like Wyss who have even admitted they don't like football and tennis is his game. 

But the majority is with Clearlake, or Clownlake as some fans have started calling them. Want proof they don't care about our clubs heart or soul? Let's see what happens with Conor shall we?

Last season it was all about Mount and selling him was all wrong, but so far I don’t think so. It is never about an individual player. Red nose regular;y got rid of players from Beckham to Nicky  butt and no one ever said anything about soul. When the Beatles dropped best as their drummer was that because they had no heart? No it was just the better decision for the Beatles. Same with Conor. Question us, what’s the right decision for the club. 

3 hours ago, Argo said:

If Roman stayed Conor (and Colwill) probably wouldn't have made it into the squad in the first place.

Although that would have been on the managers who wouldn't have taken the risk in a win now environment with them being fired with such regularity. 

Despite the media soundbites I am yet to see any improvement in job security off the pitch. The reason these are front and centre now is because there is no alternative and you want people seeing your prize bull when it's time to be off to the market

2 hours ago, ozboy said:

Last season it was all about Mount and selling him was all wrong, but so far I don’t think so. It is never about an individual player. Red nose regular;y got rid of players from Beckham to Nicky  butt and no one ever said anything about soul. When the Beatles dropped best as their drummer was that because they had no heart? No it was just the better decision for the Beatles. Same with Conor. Question us, what’s the right decision for the club. 

The major difference is that all of the changes you have highlighted were succession changes and progression. The concern that I think most have is that whilst Conor may norpt be elite and be considered in the pantheon of some of home grown heroes, there is no getting away from the fact that selling him this coming month will have a major negative impact on the side.

There remains this notion that Enzo is the jewel in our crown, our Fifth Element,  despite the reality of his performances showing him up to be distinctly average and dare I say, somewhat unsuited to the league in the role he plays 

Gallagher offers spirit and endeavour that so many lack currently. I would actually argue that, injuries aside, selling a homegrown like James would have less negative impact currently than selling Gallagher.

They are still going to do it though. Lol

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

The major difference is that all of the changes you have highlighted were succession changes and progression. The concern that I think most have is that whilst Conor may norpt be elite and be considered in the pantheon of some of home grown heroes, there is no getting away from the fact that selling him this coming month will have a major negative impact on the side.

There remains this notion that Enzo is the jewel in our crown, our Fifth Element,  despite the reality of his performances showing him up to be distinctly average and dare I say, somewhat unsuited to the league in the role he plays 

Gallagher offers spirit and endeavour that so many lack currently. I would actually argue that, injuries aside, selling a homegrown like James would have less negative impact currently than selling Gallagher.

They are still going to do it though. Lol

Gallagher has value today, James is damaged goods just now as far as that goes. Enzo I sometimes think is not much different to Billy Gilmour. That’s superficial of course but Enzo in Mounts position borders on the absurd. 

from my perspective there isn’t going to be room for Caicedo, Gallagher, Enzo at one time, never mind if Lavia is any good. I like Conor he is a work horse but every now and then he drops down a level. We will see. 

6 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

There remains this notion that Enzo is the jewel in our crown, our Fifth Element,  despite the reality of his performances showing him up to be distinctly average and dare I say, somewhat unsuited to the league in the role he plays 

He's not going to be in the side for very long if Pochettino doesn't wake up and use him where he's actually quite good. 

In no way, shape or form is he the quasi attacker Poch is trying to turn him into.

 

Weird how everyone unanimously agrees Kante wasn't great on the ball but made up for it for what he did for the team yet with Conor we'll never be above a midtable team with him playing? hmm very weird.

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

He's not going to be in the side for very long if Pochettino doesn't wake up and use him where he's actually quite good. 

In no way, shape or form is he the quasi attacker Poch is trying to turn him into.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with this, I am just not sure if this is being driven by Poch. Didn't I read that Enzo was unhappy last season in playing so deep where his physical and pace limitations were sometimes exposed. Wasn't he calling for support to allow him to play in a more advanced role, hence the focus on deeper lying midfielders like Caicedo, Lavia and Ugochukwu in the transfer window.

Is this the result of a deluded Poch or is it in fact an accommodation for a player who has been moaning about his role behind the scenes. I'm unsure tbh.

Bloke was sensational last night. Kante used to try to do what Connor did but didnt have the brain to create or distribute well, Gallagher does have that eye for goal and a pass. 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Is this the result of a deluded Poch or is it in fact an accommodation for a player who has been moaning about his role behind the scenes. I'm unsure tbh.

If he at one point wanted it assume even he's realized by now its not going to work. Perhaps in a more sophisticated system (Pep, Zerbi, Arteta etc) it could have worked but with Poch its mostly about pressing and then quick transitions if we win the ball.

But the 4-1 build up with wild distances between the midfielders is not how you get anything out of either Caicedo or Enzo and it's also why we since October are conceding two goals a game on average.

 

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Bloke was sensational last night. Kante used to try to do what Connor did but didnt have the brain to create or distribute well, Gallagher does have that eye for goal and a pass. 

Go get your Bovril and digestives, this is a long video. I like Connor. But he isn't at Kante levels and probably never will be. That's alright though. Not many are.

 

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Weird how everyone unanimously agrees Kante wasn't great on the ball but made up for it for what he did for the team yet with Conor we'll never be above a midtable team with him playing? hmm very weird.

I've spoken to you before about expecting logic around here. See me after class.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Weird how everyone unanimously agrees Kante wasn't great on the ball but made up for it for what he did for the team yet with Conor we'll never be above a midtable team with him playing? hmm very weird.

But that would mean critical thinking, thats just not allowed on here, its more knee jerkism....

33 minutes ago, just said:

Go get your Bovril and digestives, this is a long video. I like Connor. But he isn't at Kante levels and probably never will be. That's alright though. Not many are.

 

Kante was devine x 3... Connor's work rate in the top half of the field, his competitiveness was brilliant, reminded me a lot of Kante. I miss that man in our midfield. But Gallagher keeps it up then it's not a bad replacement. Well done him. 

We'd be mad to sell him, which is why I expect him off to Spuds in January 🤣.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Weird how everyone unanimously agrees Kante wasn't great on the ball but made up for it for what he did for the team yet with Conor we'll never be above a midtable team with him playing? hmm very weird.

When Kante was at his best, he was very good on the ball, and an excellent dribbler too. He didn't just make a tackle, he would carry the ball well. Gallagher isn't good on the ball at all, and if we are going to keep playing possession based football with him in the side, we will never improve.

If Gallagher is going to stay in the first 11 then we need to play a different way, similar to how Liverpool played with Henderson. Win the ball back and hit the attackers early. If Gallagher is going to be involved in the build up play, then it's going to keep breaking down. There's a reason why Gallagher looked better at Palace than he ever has in a Chelsea shirt, he was playing a style of football that was more suited to him.

Just now, Scott Harris said:

If Gallagher is going to stay in the first 11 then we need to play a different way, similar to how Liverpool played with Henderson. Win the ball back and hit the attackers early.

That is what we try to do though. With the ball we are poor generally but a saving grace is that our press is quite decent at times which gives us chances on transitions. And thats why Gallagher is a key player for Pochettino right now.

Just now, OriginalS said:

That is what we try to do though. With the ball we are poor generally but a saving grace is that our press is quite decent at times which gives us chances on transitions. And thats why Gallagher is a key player for Pochettino right now.

We don't though. We are constantly looking for the pass through the tiniest gaps. The amount of sideways passes last night looking for an opening was infuriating. I don't think we were good at all last night, and there were many situations where our attacks fizzled out because of Gallagher being in possession. The ball to Jackson did my head in, it's a simple through ball for anybody with a bit of quality when in possession, but he massively overhit it. Gallagher never hits a pass that puts us in a better position. He either underhits it, overhits it, or hits it too straight instead of giving players something to run on to. He also can't play passes through players. I have seen Caicedo take out two midfielders with a through ball so many times this season, but Gallagher will rarely do it. When we go forward, I would rather Gallagher stay back and protect the team from a counter attack, because any time he is involved in us trying to break through a packed defence, he is a major reason why it breaks down.

3 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

We don't though. We are constantly looking for the pass through the tiniest gaps. The amount of sideways passes last night looking for an opening was infuriating. I don't think we were good at all last night, and there were many situations where our attacks fizzled out because of Gallagher being in possession. The ball to Jackson did my head in, it's a simple through ball for anybody with a bit of quality when in possession, but he massively overhit it. Gallagher never hits a pass that puts us in a better position. He either underhits it, overhits it, or hits it too straight instead of giving players something to run on to. He also can't play passes through players. I have seen Caicedo take out two midfielders with a through ball so many times this season, but Gallagher will rarely do it. When we go forward, I would rather Gallagher stay back and protect the team from a counter attack, because any time he is involved in us trying to break through a packed defence, he is a major reason why it breaks down.

Yes, we do when its forced upon us by teams sit back in a deep block. I don't care what anyone says, Newcastle were visibly absolutely knackered and we hardly troubled them for the entire second half when they sat deep because they had no energy left. And we couldn't hurt them until Trippier helped us out.

I suppose what i'm saying is that we are at our best if we can press, win the ball back and hope Sterling, Palmer or someone else does something in transition. And I think Pochettino knows that because it's obvious that we are vulnerable in the build-up and vulnerable when we have possession but we can hurt teams in transitions. But its not easy to get find those transitions when teams sit deep like Newcastle did yesterday and Sheffield, Everton and others before them.