5th May 2013.

We’re nearing a decade of not winning at Old Trafford, a f**king decade.. the worst United team in living memory too. 

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

A bit harsh on Werner who didnt really miss anything blatent - Havertz was far more wasteful with the clear cut opportunities he had.

Yet despite the Kai's misses, we got ourselves into a lead, only for another lose ball from one of the twins to cost us another goal

Werner would struggle to finish a good poo Jim! He isn't anywhere near good enough as a winger or a striker. I don't care how much he runs about. What the hell is he? Does he even know himself? We have seen 2 wide players in the past week who have both looked technically way better and far, far more dangerous than Werner. Vinicius Jr. Luis Diaz. He simply isnt good enough. Period.

 

Anyone knows if Cavani would be available? We need someone up front with a fighting mentality, last one we had providing that was Costa. It’s the fight that is lacking at the moment. At least in my opinion.

2 minutes ago, just said:

Werner would struggle to finish a good poo Jim! He isn't anywhere near good enough as a winger or a striker. I don't care how much he runs about. What the hell is he? Does he even know himself? We have seen 2 wide players in the past week who have both looked technically way better and far, far more dangerous than Werner. Vinicius Jr. Luis Diaz. He simply isnt good enough. Period.

 

I agree he is not a winger. He is a system player - played up front, and hit early for him to run in behind onto.....and that system is not going to happen at Chelsea.

But, lets keep it objective. You called him out for being wasteful tonight, but he was not one of our most wasteful players, by a long stretch.

5 minutes ago, just said:

Werner would struggle to finish a good poo Jim! He isn't anywhere near good enough as a winger or a striker. I don't care how much he runs about. What the hell is he? Does he even know himself? We have seen 2 wide players in the past week who have both looked technically way better and far, far more dangerous than Werner. Vinicius Jr. Luis Diaz. He simply isnt good enough. Period.

 

Werner has his flaws and can’t finish for sh*t, but surely you’re not putting down tonight’s draw on him, are you? 

Meh does not really matter end of the day.

Have not watched United this season only seen their results but was shocked how poor they were. I know they have a lot of injuries but we played through them so easily. 

The one twos between Jorgi and Kante ripped them apart time after time and we were in on them at will.

For fans of their sides in the 90s and 2000s it must be shocking watching that stuff. Feel sorry for @Stretford Ender watching them plod about not giving a monkeys.

I think we will beat Everton once Rudiger gets back into the swing and Kova returns.

Five live saying Reece had bags of space as Elanga was not getting back, Matic did not have the legs and Telles could not handle him on his own. 

The streams were an issue for me again yet did see Mount try a shot in the 3rd minute being closed down with lots of our chaps in the box waiting for a cross. Mount is an important player for us yet even he needs to know when to cross and when to try very ambitious shots. 

 

18 minutes ago, carrickblue said:

Following Chelsea now is about perpetual disappointment.

To be fair, If you've been following them as long as I and many others have, and I think you have, that's the default position.  The last 20 odd years have been quite a ride though.

14 minutes ago, Hemel Blue said:

There used to be some interesting posters on here,now it's just reactionary moaners.....UTC !

What would they say after a game like tonight’s? Genuinely interested in what those posters would say to learn to be more thoughtful and less reactionary.

Glad I didn't watch this utterly predictable sh*t show. 

Just now, nonotnowjim said:

I agree he is not a winger. He is a system player - played up front, and hit early for him to run in behind onto.....and that system is not going to happen at Chelsea.

But, lets keep it objective. You called him out for being wasteful tonight, but he was not one of our most wasteful players, by a long stretch.

Another system player. Really? Strewth.

Can't we find any strikers/forwards/wingers (insert label here) who actually have a bit of quality about them to adapt. And, I dunno, maybe have a bit of consistency and make a difference? Liverpool have found Diaz. Citeh have Mahrez & Sterling, and Sterling isnt exactly Pele, but they are all so, so, so much better than Werner. We can't keep on giving second rate players chances Jim and trying to make out they are better than they really are.

Sell Lukaku. Sell Werner. We will find better forwards.

 

8 minutes ago, RMH said:

Werner has his flaws and can’t finish for sh*t, but surely you’re not putting down tonight’s draw on him, are you? 

No I'm not. But he is 100% a prime example of a bang average player who is nowhere near good enough for where we want to go. And yet some people seem to think he is alright because our other options are just as sh*te and at least Werner runs about a lot. You can change to any system you want RMH but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals in. 

f**king pathetic

we are f**king pathetic. they are just waiting for the season to be over. 

 

1 minute ago, just said:

No I'm not. But he is 100% a prime example of a bang average player who is nowhere near good enough for where we want to go. And yet some people seem to think he is alright because our other options are just as sh*te and at least Werner runs about a lot. You can change to any system you want RMH but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals in. 

He has certainly banged in the goals in the past....That is why we purchased him.

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

The cup final. Reports are TT won't use him at RWB for risk of him breaking down. So maybe only the cup final he will play there.

With that being my belief I prefer Trev at the back.

so turn up for the cup final 5 games away with a lack of match sharpness, yeah that works! 

Done well enough tonight at RWB , so i’d change where you get your reports lol 

Honestly Pathetic how wasteful our forwards are, the most glaringly obvious difference between us and being up there with the top 2 in the league is they are ruthless whilst we are wasteful.

1 minute ago, just said:

No I'm not. But he is 100% a prime example of a bang average player who is nowhere near good enough for where we want to go. And yet some people seem to think he is alright because our other options are just as sh*te and at least Werner runs about a lot. You can change to any system you want RMH but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals in. 

We bought him because of 1 reason. He scored 34 goals in 45 games for RB Leipzig. He was supposed to be our new goal scorer and he's clearly not doing his job as an attacker, specially not in the modern times where you have Messi, Ronaldo, Benz, Lewa scoring 30+ goals every season. Heck when Pep took over Man City he wasn't happy with Aguero's work rate and he in turn went from running 8km to 10km per 90' and still had 20 PL goals!

Timo is a flop signing when you consider all this, in the PL he has more big chances missed than goals+assists combined.

2 minutes ago, turnyitb said:

so turn up for the cup final 5 games away with a lack of match sharpness, yeah that works! 

Done well enough tonight at RWB , so i’d change where you get your reports lol 

James is James. You play him, he is a warrior. Which is good as we are sorley lacking that. 

1 minute ago, just said:

No I'm not. But he is 100% a prime example of a bang average player who is nowhere near good enough for where we want to go. And yet some people seem to think he is alright because our other options are just as sh*te and at least Werner runs about a lot. You can change to any system you want RMH but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals in. 

I agree with you partially, but tonight we should have been 3-0 and Werner was not guilty of missing those chances. While we had Werner and Havertz on the pitch, we played good football and created chances thanks to their movement, but Havertz missed two clear chances. Once Puli and Lukaku came on, we stopped being creative and opening their defence. I’m not saying Werner is great, I’m just saying that he should not be pointed at tonight. If we had Benzema and Vinicius Jr on our team, we’d be first in the PL 10 points clear, but we don’t have them or any player like them, unfortunately.

11 minutes ago, just said:

No I'm not. But he is 100% a prime example of a bang average player who is nowhere near good enough for where we want to go. And yet some people seem to think he is alright because our other options are just as sh*te and at least Werner runs about a lot. You can change to any system you want RMH but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals in. 

Werner is to centre forwards what Martin O'Neil is to managers. Look bouncy, eager, energetic and gracious in being  disappointing and it makes up for being bang average. 

He may well leave, go to French or back to German football and get back in the goals but it will never be for an elite team at the highest level of competition. Time to cut our losses with another failed striker

 

 

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

He has certainly banged in the goals in the past....That is why we purchased him.

Who cares what he did in the past (and in a different league). 

Kezman banged in goals before us. Chris Sutton, Fernando Torres etc . Actually Kezman used to get praise for running about a lot too when he was here.

 

 

1 minute ago, just said:

Who cares what he did in the past (and in a different league). 

Kezman banged in goals before us. Chris Sutton, Fernando Torres etc . Actually Kezman used to get praise for running about a lot too when he was here.

 

 

You said "You can change to any system you want...but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals"

I am simply pointing out that he has in the past, so it is silly to say he would not score goals in a different system/team.

Anyway - this is not the Timo thread, happy to debate in his own thread. He didnt cost us the game tonight.

6 minutes ago, RMH said:

I agree with you partially, but tonight we should have been 3-0 and Werner was not guilty of missing those chances. While we had Werner and Havertz on the pitch, we played good football and created chances thanks to their movement, but Havertz missed two clear chances. Once Puli and Lukaku came on, we stopped being creative and opening their defence. I’m not saying Werner is great, I’m just saying that he should not be pointed at tonight. If we had Benzema and Vinicius Jr on our team, we’d be first in the PL 10 points clear, but we don’t have them or any player like them, unfortunately.

Spot on.

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

You said "You can change to any system you want...but he is not gonna suddenly get a better first touch or start banging goals"

I am simply pointing out that he has in the past, so it is silly to say he would not score goals in a different system/team.

Anyway - this is not the Timo thread, happy to debate in his own thread. He didnt cost us the game tonight.

He didn't win it for us either.  He very, very rarely does. And like it or not. That's what he was brought to do. Score goals and win games. Sell, sell, sell 

Sorry to interfere as I haven't followed the discussion. But to me it seems glaringly obvious that werner isn't good enough. He should be nowhere near our first team.