8 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Fraud ?

His Brighton team just thrashed us. ...do you remember the results under TT this season ?

Is a bit disrespectful to Brightons current manager to call it Potters side. 

Yes Potter was involved in those players signing but the new manager picked the players, the tactics and motivated them for the game.

Or to put it another way, did anyone on here say TT won the CL with Lampards Chelsea?

I am happy to give Potter ample time and rope the either learn to climb or hang himself. Jose Mark 2, Lamps, even Rafa and Sarri I had plenty of patience for.

It must be said though, he has been eviscerated tactically by the new Brighton manager, Thomas Frank, Erik Ten Hag and even Steve Gerrard in a short space of time.

You can help yourself Graham by picking more players like Connor who give a sh*t, and less players like Sterling who got their fat contracts and that is all that matters.

27 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Amazing

We've gone from gushing mid week praise to the complete opposite within a few days.

Potter has come into our club after we bought players for TT then sacked him ,he needs a bit more than a few games to alter our style of play , even if our current players prefer walking football instead of working hard .

if anyone needs proof  of Potter's capabilities, just look at that Brighton team yesterday. We were beaten , thrashed, by Potter's creation

You make some good points. I have to admit that Potter would have been my choice to follow TT, just didn’t imagine it would be so soon. His appointment though does carry risk, can he convey his ideas to better players? The top players like to be amongst winners, as yet Potter hasn’t tasted success with trophies though his path up the managerial ladder is impressive. Although it’s his trademark I do think he needs to get a more settled formation and side in this opening period of his tenure, the experiments can formulate once he knows the players better. I do worry though that we have now seen him set up his team wrong on a number of occasions. Yesterday was horrendous, the result has been in the making for the last few weeks and I question how he got it so wrong against a team he created? Early days, this will be first time in his career he has had to prepare for so many matches in a short time, the luxury of preparation for a week he was afforded at Brighton due to lack of European competition  is no longer available. Hopefully the World Cup break will give him the time to prepare better for the second half of the season.

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Is a bit disrespectful to Brightons current manager to call it Potters side. 

Yes Potter was involved in those players signing but the new manager picked the players, the tactics and motivated them for the game.

Or to put it another way, did anyone on here say TT won the CL with Lampards Chelsea?

Potter developed and changed their style of play completely over 3 seasons.

He left a couple of months ago, yeah , I'd say it's his team . The point though, is that it demonstrates his skills as a coach, that's the point I was trying to get across, , but failing miserably. !

39 minutes ago, GermanChels said:

If you judge him by the performances on the pitch the verdict is still dull and sh*t

Dull and sh*t ?

Same as we were before Potter. He needs a bit of time

 

I wonder, genuinely, how many of these players want to play for Potter?

Clearly Kepa is our to impress and appreciates the faith, and Connor would give his all for anyone at this stage of his Chelsea career. Thiago Silva is always Thiago Silva too.

What about the rest though? But for Kepa and Mings error we are 3 down at Villa, and we saw how well we came back from that yesterday.

But for Kepa, and Ivan Toney having a shocker, we are 2 down to Brentford. But for Kepa, and Anthony and Sancho having stinkers, we are 3 down to United.

Does not sound like a squad pulling for a manager, club or fans.

And to show this is not just only about Potter too, they pulled the same sh*t on TT at Leeds, Saints and Zagreb.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I wonder, genuinely, how many of these players want to play for Potter?

Clearly Kepa is our to impress and appreciates the faith, and Connor would give his all for anyone at this stage of his Chelsea career. Thiago Silva is always Thiago Silva too.

What about the rest though? But for Kepa and Mings error we are 3 down at Villa, and we saw how well we came back from that yesterday.

But for Kepa, and Ivan Toney having a shocker, we are 2 down to Brentford. But for Kepa, and Anthony and Sancho having stinkers, we are 3 down to United.

Does not sound like a squad pulling for a manager, club or fans.

And to show this is not just only about Potter too, they pulled the same sh*t on TT at Leeds, Saints and Zagreb.

You are mentioning many points that also go through my mind. The Chelsea dressing room has been lost bymany WC managers like Tuchel, Mourinho or Conte. What pedigree does Potter have to claim respect from them? We didn‘t even have a new manager bounce. We had a Kepa bounce.

I really hope we enquire about Klopp if he leaves Liverpool. Same applies to Flick. Heck, I‘d even take Simeone and his sh*tty football if it is succesful. I mean right now it is sh*t without success.

7 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Gallagher would have been wise to keep his mouth shut.

Now I and probably many more fans will be asking why Brighton wanted it a bit more. There should never be any situation where two teams walk onto the football pitch and one of those teams wants it more than the other, unless it's something like a team fighting relegation and the other teams position is already guaranteed.

To be blunt about it, any player that didn't want it enough yesterday needs to get out of the club. I don't care who you are, if you're not giving 100%, then what are you doing playing for a club with title winning aspirations? But more importantly, you should be giving your all for yourself, the club and the fans.

Conor and his family are all Chelsea.

He started training at the club as a kid. . About time a Chelsea fan called them out , all of us can see it

 

3 minutes ago, GermanChels said:

You are mentioning many points that also go through my mind. The Chelsea dressing room has been lost bymany WC managers like Tuchel, Mourinho or Conte. What pedigree does Potter have to claim respect from them? We didn‘t even have a new manager bounce. We had a Kepa bounce.

I really hope we enquire about Klopp if he leaves Liverpool. Same applies to Flick. Heck, I‘d even take Simeone and his sh*tty football if it is succesful. I mean right now it is sh*t without success.

We reached a CL Final under Grant.

The players were winners, they wanted it, regardless of manager.

About time those millionaires played for the badge, the club and most of all the fans

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

We reached a CL Final under Grant.

The players were winners, they wanted it, regardless of manager.

About time those millionaires played for the badge, the club and most of all the fans

Mate we had Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cech etc. back then. They even won a CL by themselves. (I don‘t credit RDM for the win, it was solely the players.)

We had a squad full of legends. We have no player even near someone like Drogba right now in the squad. The manager will be the one who has to work miracles and be a tactical mastermind having this squad. Pity we sacked one recently. 

Potter has the exact same strengths and weaknesses of Tuchel, albeit with a lesser record to back it up.

Like Tuchel, Potter can clearly out-think any other manager and come up with a tactical plan to beat any other team on any given day. The problem with this approach is that it inevitably ends up solely on the manager, and when players even slightly perform unexpectedly it can have disastrous consequences. Basically, a high-risk, high-reward approach that is proven to be successful for many managers: Tuchel, Benitez, Villas-Boas at Porto, Hiddink etc. Yet none of those names could ever been accused of long-term, sustained success. 

To consistently challenge for a league title requires a different approach - a team that is able to impose itself on the opposition rather than trying to react to whatever lies in front of them. You don't need to run through hours of tactical video analysis when facing Man City, Liverpool or Bayern Munich because you know exactly how they are going to play - stopping it is a whole other problem. In fact, while Guardiola's teams are obviously the pre-eminent example of this, he also provides the perfect example by contradiction since almost all his famous losses have come from tactical brain farts - moments where Guardiola invariably overthinks and his team play reactively instead of their natural proactive manner. 

 

1 hour ago, GermanChels said:

Mate we had Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cech etc. back then. They even won a CL by themselves. (I don‘t credit RDM for the win, it was solely the players.)

We had a squad full of legends. We have no player even near someone like Drogba right now in the squad. The manager will be the one who has to work miracles and be a tactical mastermind having this squad. Pity we sacked one recently. 

Hmmm. I'm surprised our former mastermind lost at Leeds and Southampton and played a style that was f**king awful

 

 

48 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Hmmm. I'm surprised our former mastermind lost at Leeds and Southampton and played a style that was f**king awful

 

 

And still won more in his career than Potter will ever win. After getting sacked, Tuchel will go to the likes of Real and Barca. After getting sacked, Potter will fk off to Sweden, Finland or Championship. Levels.

Edited October 30, 20223 yr by GermanChels

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

In fact, while Guardiola's teams are obviously the pre-eminent example of this, he also provides the perfect example by contradiction since almost all his famous losses have come from tactical brain farts - moments where Guardiola invariably overthinks and his team play reactively instead of their natural proactive manner. 

 

This doesn't include our CL victory over them, no matter how much people want to believe that Pep only beats himself, he was very much second best in that final.

38 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

This doesn't include our CL victory over them, no matter how much people want to believe that Pep only beats himself, he was very much second best in that final.

That's not what i'm saying. His brain-dead decision to firstly not use a DM, and then double down by making his most attacking midfielder the nominal DM, created a weakness that Tuchel easily exploited by getting the team to send passes up the centre. They couldn't play their naturally controlling game, playing right into our hands.

Edited October 30, 20223 yr by SydneyChelsea

5 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

That's not what i'm saying. His brain-dead decision to firstly not use a DM, and then double down by making his most attacking midfielder the nominal DM, created a weakness that Tuchel easily exploited by getting the team to send passes up the centre. They couldn't play their naturally controlling game, playing right into our hands.

Werner had 2 chances from inside the box prior to the winning goal, we could have had 3:0 at half time and we beat them 3 times in a row during that period regardless of who played against us. We were simply better regardless of any decision that was made by Pep.

They all have their eyes on the world cup. Potter is a mid table manager. 

12 hours ago, Gentian said:

Mostly the frustration comes from the fact that Potter doesn't seem to create a style or realise that playing players out of position is harming our team and their form. 

That is the problem, doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes. Playing same out form players, setting up the team and formation disastrously prior to the game is costing him, and us. 

Didn't we play the same formation to wide plaudits against Salzburg and ended their 40 odd home undefeated streak?

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Didn't we play the same formation to wide plaudits against Salzburg and ended their 40 odd home undefeated streak?

If we beat a EPL team that had a 40 match unbeaten home record that would be something else, but RBS play in a league equal to our League 1 level. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Didn't we play the same formation to wide plaudits against Salzburg and ended their 40 odd home undefeated streak?

I thought that match could have ended in a draw at any moment. If you want to go further we won the CL with 3.4.3 but i think its time to move on from it because it has become a hindrance since than.

23 hours ago, Kev56 said:

Finished with football for a bit, so pissed off with the club i've loved and followed for well over 50yrs. To watch the sh*t football we play along with the couldn't give a f**k attitude from the players, i'm going to go and watch my local team Slough, funnily enough where one of our players who seems to give a toss comes from.

The players we've bought over the past few years have been a total f**king disaster. How the f**k we are where we are has been a miracle.

Totally f**ked off.

Brought back memories of my old man who left at half time once when we were sh*t in the early 80's.

' Son. I'd rather go home and watch the fire go out '

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Didn't we play the same formation to wide plaudits against Salzburg and ended their 40 odd home undefeated streak?

Lots of us concluded that Brighton would trash us if we played the same way against them. It wasn't a good performance at all against a poor side.

Why can we identify that a better side would trash us if we played similarly and someone who's paid £12 million a year can't? And Gallagher already admitting our opponents wants it more is laughable isn't it? Potter is just in the door and everyone should be fired up to prove themselves to the new manager and he still can't get them motivated for a vital Premier League game?

 

Edited October 31, 20223 yr by Droy

I find some of the critics he gets on here extremely harsh, I mean he loses for the first time at the tenth match into his tenure against a team which he build for the past three years and people call for him to be sacked. Why? Because he isn't Tuchel? Because he tinkers a lot? Or is it just sarcasm?

It is clear that the mismanagement at this club predates Potters tenure here by far and you can see that he is a good manager, therefore I fail to understand the thought process around the negative opinions about him. What are these based on? He got an unbalanced squad six matches into the season shortly after the transfer window closed to work with, was hired as a longterm manager and his career resume to date indicates that he is a builder type of manager, but some people want him gone already because he experiments with the squad and this leads to some underperformances, please guys have some patience.

Based on his profile the only way signing him in the first place makes sense, is if you give him time to build, even if it means underperformance (missing out on the CL next season) in the short term, so it's highly likely that the owners have calculated that in the decision to sign him as manager, if they have a data driven approach.

I really would like to know, who the people that think his tenure here will be a failure, want to have as the manager, or explain why they disapprove him that much after not even two month of him being in charge of the team.

2 hours ago, Gentian said:

I thought that match could have ended in a draw at any moment. If you want to go further we won the CL with 3.4.3 but i think its time to move on from it because it has become a hindrance since than.

I believe in this very much, teams simply know how to come to our box and the back 3 gets to play in much less favorable situations than before. 

Tuchel did an amazing job but somehow the PL has adapted to our high press and we have had much problems with the opposition press as a result. The Brighton loss showed just how easy the ball can get into our box, they played faster than our defense and the midfield was overwhelmed. The first 30 minutes against Man United also showed how the back 3 can't keep the shape anymore, I'm convinced that any manager with a back 3, be it Potter or Tuchel, loses that match vs Brighton.

Edited October 31, 20223 yr by Gol15

57 minutes ago, Droy said:

Lots of us concluded that Brighton would trash us if we played the same way against them. It wasn't a good performance at all against a poor side.

I'm sorry but that's bollax, we should have been out of site by half time and a 6 goal haul wouldn't have remotely flattered us.

The first 20 minutes were pretty meh but after that we played very well, especially in the first half.