10 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

At least with Lampard it could be forgiven as he was a club legend and very inexperienced, not to mention played a squad full of youngsters.

 

Not by the end he wasn't. Almost all of the ones he himself promoted weren't starting much come the end.

That was one of the reasons I turned against him as a manager. People use to always say to me "you can't expect perfect results" and ofcourse but the two things he was suppose to deliever (youth and good football) he was failing pretty spectacularly at.

Just listened to his post match I think we all should be very worried the guy is talking through his arse

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Not by the end he wasn't. Almost all of the ones he himself promoted weren't starting much come the end.

That was one of the reasons I turned against him as a manager. People use to always say to me "you can't expect perfect results" and ofcourse but the two things he was suppose to deliever (youth and good football) he was failing pretty spectacularly at.

Same reason why I turned against him as well, was referring to the first season. The way he treated Tomori in his second season was criminal. 

2 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

Just listened to his post match I think we all should be very worried the guy is talking through his arse

No tactics just ballet lessons and vibes

We're already at about 6 years without a title. I cannot see us winning again in the next 10.

Just now, Zeta said:

We're already at about 6 years without a title. I cannot see us winning again in the next 10.

If we'd stuck with Conte I think we could have given City a run for their money. Sarri's Lazio look like contenders in his 2nd season as well (though I don't think the fans were ever going to warm to him unfortunately). 

 

Even if catching Guardiola's City is impossible we should be aiming for Top 4 every year and a strong run at all the trophies, which is what we had under Tuchel.

4 minutes ago, Zeta said:

We're already at about 6 years without a title. I cannot see us winning again in the next 10.

We can bring in as much quality as we need but this current lot is still very, very mentally weak. They pick and choose games to up the intensity from the get go. City 95% of the time are always up for it. We are about 55-60%. 

 

 

So we lost our first match under Potter and suddenly it's all over and he's terrible. Get a grip, ffs. Brighton are a well drilled side and everything that could have gone wrong for us in that game, did. How many times have you seen scoring two own goals in one match. I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes but sh*t happens. It's a long season, we'll bounce back.

Potter will need time to implement his own playing style, we all knew that. There'll be setbacks along the way, that's also expected. The lack of balance in the squad and a number of players underperforming, that hasn't started with him and none of those are his signings, by the way.

I believe that he's a talented coach who, if given time, will be able to build a top quality side if he's backed and trusted. Some of the knee jerk reactions here are absolutely pathetic.

Some of the mstakes at the back that led to goals and a much bolder approach to attack reminded me of Lampard's time. Unlike Tuchel, Graham isn't trying to play it safe. Short term, we'll get hurt here and there. But in a long run the squad will progress and improve. Just stop with overreactions, the change is not going to happen overnight.

Edited October 29, 20223 yr by abramovich

57 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Potter is scaring me. 
 

He’s giving me “Oh it worked in this game so I’ll stick with it”, despite it not actually working. Ala Havertz starting because he scored vs Salzburg and Wingers at wingbacks. 

This is exactly what seems to be happening. 

3 minutes ago, abramovich said:

So we lost our first match under Potter and suddenly it's all over and he's terrible. Get a grip, ffs. Brighton are a well drilled side and everything that could have gone wrong for us in that game, did. How many times have you seen scoring two own goals in one match. I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes but sh*t happens. It's a long season, we'll bounce back.

Potter will need time to implement his own playing style, we all knew that. There'll be setbacks along the way, that's also expected. The lack of balance in the squad and a number of players underperforming, that hasn't started with him and none of those are his signings, by the way.

I believe that he's a talented coach who, if given time, will be able to build a top quality side if he's backed and trusted. Some of the knee jerk reactions here are absolutely pathetic.

Some of the mstakes at the back that led to goals and a much bolder approach to attack reminded me of Lampard's time. Unlike Tuchel, Graham isn't trying to play it safe. Short term, we'll get hurt here and there. But in a long run the squad will progress and improve. Just stop with overreactions, the change is not going to happen overnight.

It's not the result itself, it's the performances. We've rode our luck tremedously to not lose our past few games. Realistically Brentford, Aston Villa and United all deserved to beat us. This result has been a long time coming.

 

We've been overperforming our expected goals massively, 1.8 goals vs 1.32xG. For comparison it was 1.25 this season under Tuchel. The point is Potter has been here 2 months and we look no better than we did during Tuchel's very worst period. Ten Hag has already put a stamp on Man United, Tuchel put his stamp on Chelsea very quickly as well. No one has any idea what Potter's long term tactics or structure of this squad is going to be, he changes his mind every 5 minutes.

 

I'm all for giving him till the end of the season (as long as we don't slip into mid table), but it's not even November yet and this season already feels like a write off.

11 minutes ago, abramovich said:

So we lost our first match under Potter and suddenly it's all over and he's terrible. Get a grip, ffs. Brighton are a well drilled side and everything that could have gone wrong for us in that game, did. How many times have you seen scoring two own goals in one match. I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes but sh*t happens. It's a long season, we'll bounce back.

One quick glance behind the results and that's where the real horrors are. Because you can argue he's been outsmarted by every PL manager he's faced so far. Vieira, Gerrard, Frank, Ten Hag and De Zerbi. Wolves we did well against but they had to coach at the time.

It's not exactly Potter who gets the credit for our first loss coming today. This was coming from a mile off and we have been extremely lucky in the league under him so far.

Just the formation and dispositions he's making suggest he's way out of his depth. Todays 3-3-3-1 from the start was one of the most baffling decisions I can remember from any manager. Doesn't seem to be learning either and it's not surprise most seem to be turning on him already. He's making a fool of himself.

 

Edited October 29, 20223 yr by Droy

10 minutes ago, abramovich said:

So we lost our first match under Potter and suddenly it's all over and he's terrible. Get a grip, ffs. Brighton are a well drilled side and everything that could have gone wrong for us in that game, did. How many times have you seen scoring two own goals in one match. I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes but sh*t happens. It's a long season, we'll bounce back.

Potter will need time to implement his own playing style, we all knew that. There'll be setbacks along the way, that's also expected. The lack of balance in the squad and a number of players underperforming, that hasn't started with him and none of those are his signings, by the way.

I believe that he's a talented coach who, if given time, will be able to build a top quality side if he's backed and trusted. Some of the knee jerk reactions here are absolutely pathetic.

Some of the mstakes at the back that led to goals and a much bolder approach to attack reminded me of Lampard's time. Unlike Tuchel, Graham isn't trying to play it safe. Short term, we'll get hurt here and there. But in a long run the squad will progress and improve. Just stop with overreactions, the change is not going to happen overnight.

People seem to forget that Potter wasn’t brought in as a short term solution. The whole point is this is a long term goal to build a winning team. City hardly set the world alight in pep’s first season

Potter is such a Yes Man, it makes you wonder if he is even picking this team and tactics!

Hopefully in January we get some new signing to help us out and James and Fofana come back soon enough after that.

1 minute ago, abramovich said:

So we lost our first match under Potter and suddenly it's all over and he's terrible. Get a grip, ffs. Brighton are a well drilled side and everything that could have gone wrong for us in that game, did. How many times have you seen scoring two own goals in one match. I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes but sh*t happens. It's a long season, we'll bounce back.

Potter will need time to implement his own playing style, we all knew that. There'll be setbacks along the way, that's also expected. The lack of balance in the squad and a number of players underperforming, that hasn't started with him and none of those are his signings, by the way.

I believe that he's a talented coach who, if given time, will be able to build a top quality side if he's backed and trusted. Some of the knee jerk reactions here are absolutely pathetic.

Some of the mstakes at the back that led to goals and a much bolder approach to attack reminded me of Lampard's time. Unlike Tuchel, Graham isn't trying to play it safe. Short term, we'll get hurt here and there. But in a long run the squad will progress and improve. Just stop with overreactions, it's not going to happen overnight.

I’m with you, I’ve tempered my expectations until Potter has been here a while and has a couple of transfer windows under his belt.

I think he’ll be a good manager here given time.

Things like Sterling at wing back I can’t explain but we have spent years buying players who have “good moments”, mainly with Champions League games as their main motivation.

The kind of players who turn up once every 5 matches and think that’s enough to justify their wages or make them exempt from criticism.

Until we have a turnaround of players who are just as motivated for a 3pm kick off at Brighton with no live Sky Sports cameras as they are for Champions League matches watched globally then this problem will persist.

We haven’t even got players that get themselves up for matches against Arsenal!

For years we’ve bought players who are more suited to the slower European games and now the chickens are coming home to roost because a top 4 spot isn’t a guarantee anymore.

I feel we’ll just have to hold our nerve as far as league form is concerned and accept there will be days like this.

Things will get better eventually, it will just take time though.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Droy said:

One quick glance behind the results and that's where the real horrors are. Because you can argue he's been outsmarted by every PL manager he's faced so far. Vieira, Gerrard, Frank, Ten Hag and De Zerbi. Wolves we did well against but they had to coach at the time.

It's not exactly Potter who gets the credit for our first loss coming today. This was coming from a mile off and we have been extremely lucky in the league under him so far.

Just the formation and dispositions he's making suggest he's way out of his depth. Todays 3-3-3-1 from the start was one of the most baffling decisions I can remember from any manager. Doesn't seem to be learning either and it's not surprise most seem to be turning on him already. He's making a fool of himself.

 

He also outsmarted one of the world's top coaches twice in one week which took us from probable elimation to top with a game to spare.

I don't buy Frank outsmarted him. Apart from the Toney save any keeper worth his salt would have saved the chances they had, and his changes in the second half had us absolutely dominating the final period.

Against Villa and United he switched and we were the better team from then on (still not great though granted). I'll no doubt get countered by someone with the "he made the mistakes in the first place" which is ofcourse true but how many times have even the world class managers we've had made bad initial lineups and not bothered to change until it was too late if atall?

Today was horrible yes, no arguments there.

Edited October 29, 20223 yr by Argo

Next few games we will know if Potter is simply another AVB or if he’s really up to the task. 

Post match presser;

GP: "When you lose you can always do better."

GP: "We have had a lot of football but that's no excuse."

GP: "You have to suffer and feel pain in order to grow and get better. Nobody said we were the finished article. We have to take the pain today and learn from it."

GP: "You need to find a way to win and perform. We've had a lot of games in October and for different reasons, we've lost a lot of key players. Reece, Koulibaly, Fofana, Kante..it's a constant challenge how to set up."

GP: "It's the Premier League so everywhere is difficult. Brighton are a good side, I know that. We made a couple of unforced early errors but that can happen. I won't throw the players under the bus at all because they've been brilliant for me."

1 hour ago, GermanChels said:

Boehly sacked one of the best managers in the world for a complete fraud whose only glow-up has been that he finally had an appointment at the hairdresser‘s

way too harsh in my opinion

we all remember how sh*t we played under tuchel in the last games, and even during the time we played well we had a random terrible game somewhere in between

the truth is this happened under every manager

games where from minute 1 we don’t turn up and look lethargic 

We need to give Potter some time but hopefully he understands now that in the PL you need real wingbacks 

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

oday was horrible yes, no arguments there.

It's not just today is it? He's genuinely tried to turn Sterling into a bloody wingback. He's persisting with some quasi back three with more gaps and space than the Titanic in its current state and today he essentially gave Brighton instructions and an open invitation to beat us with those tactics.

Perhaps i'm wrong but you often get a gutfeeling about managers very quick. You get a sense that a manager can achieve great things with us and we have had a few of those. Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel etc you could feel that they would do great things right from the start.

My feeling with Potter is that he's going to drag us down to mediocrity in no time. People should go and have a look behind the results at Brighton last season. For 75% of the season they were crap but the season was saved by a purple patch at the start of the season and again at the end. For a 25 game period in the middle he won three games and had them just above the relegation zone for a long time.

 

 

31 minutes ago, abramovich said:

So we lost our first match under Potter and suddenly it's all over and he's terrible. Get a grip, ffs. Brighton are a well drilled side and everything that could have gone wrong for us in that game, did. How many times have you seen scoring two own goals in one match. I'm not trying to excuse the mistakes but sh*t happens. It's a long season, we'll bounce back.

Potter will need time to implement his own playing style, we all knew that. There'll be setbacks along the way, that's also expected. The lack of balance in the squad and a number of players underperforming, that hasn't started with him and none of those are his signings, by the way.

I believe that he's a talented coach who, if given time, will be able to build a top quality side if he's backed and trusted. Some of the knee jerk reactions here are absolutely pathetic.

Some of the mstakes at the back that led to goals and a much bolder approach to attack reminded me of Lampard's time. Unlike Tuchel, Graham isn't trying to play it safe. Short term, we'll get hurt here and there. But in a long run the squad will progress and improve. Just stop with overreactions, the change is not going to happen overnight.

I said it a few years ago, but as a fan base we've never adjusted to the fact that to be a team that finishes 4th, you lose games. We aren't city, people accept that, we are hopefully heading in that direction with the right appointments, but some fans haven't grasped that until we are winning titles, we will lose the odd game. 

I know a lot of people are pissed after losing 4-1 to Brighton (and rightfully so) but I think we need to be patient rather hope for another trigger gun fire. As a neutral who didn't want Tuchel fired but is also going to back Potter and whatever project Boehly has behind him I think we need to be patient and ready for a long road ahead. If people thought, we were going to turn into a title winning team 2 months after Potter took over or that we were going to win the UCL like when Tuchel came in then this game is probably a reality check. It's going to be a bumpy road ahead before we improve.

1 minute ago, Droy said:

 

Perhaps i'm wrong but you often get a gutfeeling about managers very quick. You get a sense that a manager can achieve great things with us and we have had a few of those. Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel etc you could feel that they would do great things right from the start.

 

 

 

That's the whole point, our new owners have switched our strategy now, we're not going to see sudden bursts of great things but a slow buildup towards a dominating team just like Man City and Liverpool, meaning the last two PL champions have done.

So no more average football and then suddenly a wild Conte arrives wins 1 league title an then we're average again, or suddenly a wild Tuchel comes and oops we got another CL trophy, no sir you see the new owners see this as a longer term project that should peak right about when Pep has fallen and then we might even win 2 PL titles in a row and assert our dominance on domestic food supply so it's all about the stability and making a squad that can win titles for years to come, nobody else will be licking the plate but us so remember that even Klopp and Pep needed a few seasons to make a good team, it's all going accordingly...

Source:

In Potters defence, our midfield and attack is still complete unbalanced/and or not good enough. 
 

This will take time. In the meantime, I want to see smart decisions from Potter vs picking the same underperformers and ridiculous set up. 

17 minutes ago, coco said:

Post match presser;

GP: "When you lose you can always do better."

GP: "We have had a lot of football but that's no excuse."

GP: "You have to suffer and feel pain in order to grow and get better. Nobody said we were the finished article. We have to take the pain today and learn from it."

GP: "You need to find a way to win and perform. We've had a lot of games in October and for different reasons, we've lost a lot of key players. Reece, Koulibaly, Fofana, Kante..it's a constant challenge how to set up."

GP: "It's the Premier League so everywhere is difficult. Brighton are a good side, I know that. We made a couple of unforced early errors but that can happen. I won't throw the players under the bus at all because they've been brilliant for me."

GP: "When you lose you can always do better."