1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Eh I think Reece James is far more talented, if we have a long term captain it's him. Also the Player of the Season award really should have gone to Thiago Silva, he's been immense for us

Couldn't argue against either, really hope Silva stays and coaches when hes done too, listening to him speak its apparent his knowledge of the game is second to none. That said mason would still be at least in my opinion a contender for the armband in the future. 

1 minute ago, cookie NI said:

Couldn't argue against either, really hope Silva stays and coaches when hes done too, listening to him speak its apparent his knowledge of the game is second to none. That said mason would still be at least in my opinion a contender for the armband in the future. 

I'd take Thiago Silva as player/manager over Potter at this point

4 minutes ago, cookie NI said:

Doesn't matter if they know nothing about football, it is as you say a bad error of judgement but theres no way anyone could say Todd's anyones fool. I feel theres a mason mount agenda and it's down to his contract negotiations 

Unless of course its a parody account which are prevalent nowadays of course. That's probably not exciting enough for SSN though, so we'll hear no more about it no doubt.

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Other than apparently vicious and personal trolling tweets by 12 year old and cretins on twitter, where is the campaign against Mason Mount.

Granted there will be forum members calling for him to be rested, benched due to poor form and his alleged contract demands are dividing opinion due again to recent form, but campaign. I haven't seen any evidence of this.

The little youtube clique are at it, dont get me wrong it may just be as you say and some of us are over reacting , it would suit me better if that was the case tbh  but I guess we will just have to see. Could be reading into it too much, but masons given us so much and is still young , so imo hes well worth defending 

35 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Will you be at that game to lead the chants ?

 

Too poor to be in the home games mate

4 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I'd take Thiago Silva as player/manager over Potter at this point

I think we will definitely see him in management in years to come

40 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Timing.

The year we got to Hoddles cup final in 94 we played Barnet at home in the 3rd or 4th round. His brother Carl played against us. We were woeful. Careless passing, frustrating game meandering into nothingness. We all got the hump and starting moaning and booing. Literally a 5 yard pass on half way from Peacock, I think to Steve Clarke at RB and it rolled under his feet and out for a throw. Howls of derision from us lot. What a load of rubbish.

And their collective ar$eholes popped out. We couldn't string 2 passes together for about 20 minutes and Hoddle very nearly scored. The other one! Eventually we squeezed through and got into a run that took us to the final that somehow became my best and worst say of my life to that point all at the same time.

My somewhat long winded point is, venting our frustration is our right and entitlement,  but ultimately we Al, support the side and have a common goal. Let's choose when to voice our concerns.

As I said, wait till the end of the game and if we can’t beat the bottom team in the league at home there is no excuse

1 minute ago, cfcforeverfan said:

As I said, wait till the end of the game and if we can’t beat the bottom team in the league at home there is no excuse

Chances are we'll beat the bottom team in the league at home and Potter will survive for another month, beating Bournemouth and Palace at home is the only reason he's still here

3 hours ago, Munkworth said:

If he were a colour he’d be beige.

I disagree. He’d be grey, he’s the latest trend but the truth is it’s dull as hell and really depressing.

Grey velvet sofa, grey wallpaper, grey carpet, sparkly mirror, the whole lot!

Jesus.

19 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Jesus.

Southampton's fans opinion on Nathan Jones who is about to get sacked, and yet they have won 5 compared to our 4 over the same period. 

Obviously we have no idea what he's like behind closed doors, but from what he says out loud publicly, it does seem like Potter lacks the sheer hubris (and vanity I suppose) to be of any use at the top level.

Outside of Real Madrid managing to institutionalise and codify jamminess in European competition, over the past half-decade Guardiola and Klopp have been the two best top-level managers around by some distance. Teams managed by either one have a very clearly-defined style of play; each player knows exactly what his role is, and if there is anybody in the squad who isn't up to the task or presents the slightest problem with what the manager is trying to do they are discarded with no hesitation, regret, and certainly no ceremony. If there is the slightest deficiency in the squad, you will hear them ceaselessly bitching about their available resources compared to their competition. (I'm sure you all recognise this - José was basically the prototype).

Potter has none of this. Humility is perhaps the moral trait I [personally] value most in a human being, however (assuming the presentation is genuine) it is utterly useless for somebody competing at the very top level, particularly when you have to present and defend your decisions in front of the public. If something that you created and are totally responsible for didn't work, you must cry conspiracy or blame fatal misfortune. One would never hear Klopp or Guardiola shrugging off failure with 'c'est la vie'; if they saw anything less than complete success then it is first entirely unacceptable and also somebody else's fault. Whether they believe what they say is another matter...

I don't believe that Potter is suitable for the job. As horrible as it sounds, we should be whispering in the ear of who we want as his successor in the summer, identify who he does and doesn't want in the squad, then be ready to appoint him the minute the season ends.

3 hours ago, Nick05 said:

Supposedly our recruitment has shifted to a metrics and data based approach but what sort of metrics were used to recruit Potter ?

 

Media metrics. It was a case of sacking a popular manager and as the most popular and rated British manager of the time, whether or not he was worth it, he let the British media influence his decision. 

It was piss poor recruitment. Without a proper competitive process and completed in 48 hours. 

That's as amateurish as it gets. I keep saying in football these days the differences in squad and player quality isn't too great when you have the right man managing them but have an incompetent person in place and you're in trouble. 

To think you had a man that easily sits in the top 5 if not top 3 in management and you threw it away without a good thought or plan to replace with quality management. 

He didn't even just rank high as a manager but proved it with all the finals and CL win in the time he was with usm and more importantly he gave this club more than work on the pitch. 

TT stood for us against all odds, he was ready to back the club in turmoil. He did back the club, fielding questions that were above his pay grade, the face and voice of the club and he did it with dignity, skill and panache. 

That's who Boehly sacked.yiu don't just sack a man like that in that manner. It's his comeuppance to get this now so serves him right. Only thing is our club is suffering. 

 

Potter is missing some players still but we got a quality team that should be able to get the job done against the lower end teams, we shouldn't lose against Southampton, Leeds nor Leicester.

Potter can count on most of our key players now.

Defense: Mendy is missing, rest all ready. Best possible starters of James, T.Silva, Badiashile and Chilwell is a reality.
Midfield: Kante, Zakaria and Kovacic still not ready. So Potter is lacking a starter there but at the same time he has Enzo that can play with anyone in the midfield.
Attack: Sterling and Broja aren't ready and possibly Pulisic as well. But we do have Felix that looks great so give or take we only slightly lost on quality there and Mudryk after getting some game time is now more match fit for a full 90 min.

So while still missing players, we got a huge boost with Enzo, Mudryk, Badiashile and James and Chilwell are back in the mix. I don't know how we will look against BvB, but I guess it's a coin toss at this point, we're not the favorites. Bellingham vs Enzo coming up.

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by Gol15

24 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Guardiola and Klopp have been the two best top-level managers around by some distance.

Give Tuchel what Guardiola and Klopp had, he’d achieve just as much as them imo. He genuinely is the best coach I’ve seen since Mourinho. 6 cup finals in 15 months!!!

18 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Media metrics. It was a case of sacking a popular manager and as the most popular and rated British manager of the time, whether or not he was worth it, he let the British media influence his decision. 

It was piss poor recruitment. Without a proper competitive process and completed in 48 hours. 

That's as amateurish as it gets. I keep saying in football these days the differences in squad and player quality isn't too great when you have the right man managing them but have an incompetent person in place and you're in trouble. 

To think you had a man that easily sits in the top 5 if not top 3 in management and you threw it away without a good thought or plan to replace with quality management. 

He didn't even just rank high as a manager but proved it with all the finals and CL win in the time he was with usm and more importantly he gave this club more than work on the pitch. 

TT stood for us against all odds, he was ready to back the club in turmoil. He did back the club, fielding questions that were above his pay grade, the face and voice of the club and he did it with dignity, skill and panache. 

That's who Boehly sacked.yiu don't just sack a man like that in that manner. It's his comeuppance to get this now so serves him right. Only thing is our club is suffering. 

 

Honestly, when the Potter experiment ends (as I think it will fairly soon), I hope Boehly sees sense and gives Tuchel his job back. He didn't deserve to be sacked like that after sticking by us during the turmoil of last season.

1 minute ago, dansubrosa said:

Give Tuchel what Guardiola and Klopp had, he’d achieve just as much as them imo. He genuinely is the best coach I’ve seen since Mourinho. 6 cup finals in 15 months!!!

100%, could never see Guardiola winning a Champions League with Werner-Mount-Havertz up front.

My biggest concern is after about 6 months in charge , there's no pattern or identity in the way we play. Sure he could have used more time ( got another 4.5 years left to do it), less injury, and more ( or less) players to manage. We could watch this team for 6 hours and still wonder where's the next goal or even chance will come from, and I thought Potter is a great trainer and tactician. We only play once a week since we got knocked out of the cups, so the extra days off should be paying some dividends. Again, one could argue he needs more time, but who else in the last 10-15 years got more time and patience? The random team selection is just icing on top,  I mean WTF would have thought RLC gets a start, shouldn't be even in the stadium unless he paid the ticket.

2 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

? The random team selection is just icing on top,  I mean WTF would have thought RLC gets a start, shouldn't be even in the stadium unless he paid the ticket.

Why wouldn't RLC play?

Last game we played 4 1 2 3 and EVERYONE said that was a mistake because Enzo was isolated. 

So he made it. 4 2 3 1

RLC is the best fit player to play that role because Kante, Zakaria and Kovacic all out injured. 

Also RLC has been alright this season, don't know why you'd hate on him.

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Honestly, when the Potter experiment ends (as I think it will fairly soon), I hope Boehly sees sense and gives Tuchel his job back. He didn't deserve to be sacked like that after sticking by us during the turmoil of last season.

That's a dream that will never come true. Much as I'd love it to happen too. 

Tuchel won't be manager under this owner because it will mean he was wrong to sack him and the Boehly types don't do humility.

All I can hope for is he uses his sense and the considerable resources at his disposal to go for a good manager. 

As much as I don't want Mou back or Poch at the helm, both of them are a 1000 times better than GP. I cringe to say, though whispering it, even a bad manager like Lampard is a better fit for Chelsea than GP. 

My play, would have been to go all guns blazing behind the scenes for Pep. There isn't too much of a rivalry between City and Chelsea for him to not want to take the job and if their current situation can be leveraged then it's worth a play. 

But we are at the point where we don't need to look at long term and just appoint anybody to implement that vision. We need a proper fire in my blood, I'm proud, I'm difficult and I back it all up with results type of manager. 

 

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Jesus.

Ah come on Drogs, take a page out of @justbook and be more positive, more upbeat.

Walking in a Potter wonderland 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

2 minutes ago, abister1 said:

That's a dream that will never come true. Much as I'd love it to happen too. 

Tuchel won't be manager under this owner because it will mean he was wrong to sack him and the Boehly types don't do humility.

All I can hope for is he uses his sense and the considerable resources at his disposal to go for a good manager. 

As much as I don't want Mou back or Poch at the helm, both of them are a 1000 times better than GP. I cringe to say, though whispering it, even a bad manager like Lampard is a better fit for Chelsea than GP. 

My play, would have been to go all guns blazing behind the scenes for Pep. There isn't too much of a rivalry between City and Chelsea for him to not want to take the job and if their current situation can be leveraged then it's worth a play. 

But we are at the point where we don't need to look at long term and just appoint anybody to implement that vision. We need a proper fire in my blood, I'm proud, I'm difficult and I back it all up with results type of manager. 

 

I know 1 manager that would fit for us, now more than ever since we will continue buying players in the summer...

I guarantee you that most of the squad and including our best players like e.g. James, Enzo, Kante would perform even better under Zizou, they would go into full vintage just to hear him tell them "tres bien" or whatever... 

I don't see any reason to retain the services of Potter

There is no improvement nor hint of it since his arrival. He doesn't appear interested or concerned. There is no clue to his plans for improvement, if indeed there are any.

I don't feel any warmth towards anyone of this ilk. It will never be right under the stewardship of this individual. Boehly must surely see this, it was (another) mistake, let's move on.

Potter won't miss the club and we won't miss him. 

15 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Why wouldn't RLC play?

Last game we played 4 1 2 3 and EVERYONE said that was a mistake because Enzo was isolated. 

So he made it. 4 2 3 1

RLC is the best fit player to play that role because Kante, Zakaria and Kovacic all out injured. 

Also RLC has been alright this season, don't know why you'd hate on him.

I don't hate on him, he's just not a good player, been proven a long time ago. Out of all our injured players, has anyone said ' we really missed RLC" ? He's not match fit, couldn't remember last time he had a kick, and most importantly he was not good this game.  As for who else could have played, could have played Gallagher to push forward a bit more ( we were only playing against West Ham), a Chalobah if we want to go the other way.

35 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I know 1 manager that would fit for us, now more than ever since we will continue buying players in the summer...

I guarantee you that most of the squad and including our best players like e.g. James, Enzo, Kante would perform even better under Zizou, they would go into full vintage just to hear him tell them "tres bien" or whatever... 

Oh god please not. We're held up to be a parody club as it is, without this on top.

How difficult to get Hansi Flick I wonder