So many posts comparing present and previous managers, with an incredible amount of ‘stats’ which bores the f**king he’ll out of me. All I know is that for a long long time now the football we are playing is basically f**king crap. In fact for a few years now. This playing out from the back when there’s an obvious attacking option is killing football, unfortunately we are good at it. We’ve now got some players here now that would absolutely thrive on fast attacking football, but what do we still do? Pass pass f**king tippy tippy f**king pass in our own box. Boring, tedious, negative so called football. f**king pissed off with it. 

1 hour ago, coco said:

Potter has admitted he had nothing to do with the new signings in January, so what makes you think Tuchel would of been involved ?

No he hasn't. He said that he was part of the discussions. 

If he was adamant he didn't want Enzo, we wouldn't have signed him. If he was adamant we need to get a proven number 9 striker, we'd have gone out and signed one. 

The signings we made are aligned to the vision he puts out, which is building for the long term, young players with potential. 

 I expect with Tuchel in charge, we'd have made different signings. It wouldn't have been as bad as the summer, but it would have been different. 

And then maybe we'd have been in a better position to challenge for top 4 / the champs league this season, but we'd have probably been in a worse place to challenge for the league over the next 2/3 seasons. 

None of this is about whether Potter is the right manager, I hope he shows something in the rest of the season, performances have been improving, the players signed look good, Dortmund is a test, if we fail that test it's going to be hard for him. 

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23 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

85 mins, pushing to win the game, and Silva/ Baddy still knocking it around between themselves, before going back to Kepa....

Mount, having a laugh and a joke after the game....

Potter dismissing the penalty -"oh its one of those things"...

 

All points to a team/direction of no urgency or real genuine grit and desire to win. Mount should be relegated to the development squad for his post game reactions. Potter need to get the bit between his teeth and wake the f**k up. This is Chelsea. Fluffy Human Resources/Corporate services sh*te doesnt cut it at the top.

Rocket up arses is needed. Boehly to Potter, Potter to Players. Potter and players to refs.

 

Two occasions corners sent in and cleared. With 20 players in front of him, both times Cucurella turned round unopposed and passed it back 50 yards to Kepa. Gutless

I really wish Home fans could do something next home game…chant Potter out or something just Todd can hear the displeasure from the fans. This is unacceptable and we are sinking lower and lower, given our investment and how Newcastle and United is dropping points, give us an average manager would already put us in the face of top 4 instead of this mid table crap

3 hours ago, Zeta said:

D 1-1
D 0-0
D 0-0
W 1-0
L 1-2
L 0-4
L 0-1
D 1-1
W 2-0
L 0-1
L 0-1
L 0-2
L 0-1
W 2-1
L 1-4
 

Our last 15 games under Potter.

3 wins, 4 draws, 8 defeats. (9 goals scored).

In what universe is that acceptable for a Chelsea manager, regardless of injuries.

What a great factual post albeit equally annoying to see - stats do not lie.  Within that, it concerns me only twice have we scored 2 goals, and 8 of 15 games we failed to score.  Then, when you look at the games you won from the list, its not the best:

•  2-1 over Zagrab, labored win
• 2-0 against Bournemouth.  After a great opening 25 or so mins, we did very little and if I recall Bournemouth looked strong in second half
• 1-0 against Palace.  Didn't create much but found the breakthrough, and again, for final 15-20 mins were completely dug in against Palace

Our players are better than that, or atleast I like to think so.  Some seem to have had all instinct coached out of them.  Something needs to change asap. 

 

36 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Good post.

I think Boehly and Potter are on the same page, and right now that is a very different page to the fans.  This is in my view all tied in with the new owner's desire to turn Chelsea into a corporate structure, with corporate characteristics and corporate types of employees. As such, Potter's "Emotional Intelligence" is highly desirable as it is the current trendy concept in HR in Corporations. Everything we see in Potter's interviews is linked to this EI thing. EI is all about being in control of your emotions, and displays of anger, emotion etc, are counter to "good practices" in the discipline. Hence we see all these vanilla press interviews. Potter and the owners are probably prepared to take the slow road to reach their objectives, and short-term lack of success is probably not a factor, as long as they can see progress (defined in their own terms, not in the traditional football metrics) towards their long-term success. As such, I don't think fan protests, banners or boos, assuming they come at some point, will make any difference to Boehly's thinking or Potter's job security. He'll be here for the long term.

 

Good points.

The thing I don't getvwith this long term vision and bland emotion-less management, at which point does somebody realise actually this is the right course, just the wrong horse.

And in a bland, corporate,  vanilla environment who is going to have the bollox to pipe up and say its wrong anyway.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Good points.

The thing I don't getvwith this long term vision and bland emotion-less management, at which point does somebody realise actually this is the right course, just the wrong horse.

And in a bland, corporate,  vanilla environment who is going to have the bollox to pipe up and say its wrong anyway.

Also good points 🙂 

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Good points.

The thing I don't getvwith this long term vision and bland emotion-less management, at which point does somebody realise actually this is the right course, just the wrong horse.

And in a bland, corporate,  vanilla environment who is going to have the bollox to pipe up and say its wrong anyway.

When it's certain that is the case. 

If we lose to Dortmund and limp through the season finishing 10th/11th then I would be surprised if Potter lasts the summer. 

We fans are more emotional. We expect instant results. 

Just now, bisright1 said:

When it's certain that is the case. 

If we lose to Dortmund and limp through the season finishing 10th/11th then I would be surprised if Potter lasts the summer. 

We fans are more emotional. We expect instant results. 

Just sitting here watching Newcastle Labour against Bournemouth and I'm thinking I'd still rather Eddie Howe.

Hell, at the moment I'd take Don Howe 

43 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Good post.

I think Boehly and Potter are on the same page, and right now that is a very different page to the fans.  This is in my view all tied in with the new owner's desire to turn Chelsea into a corporate structure, with corporate characteristics and corporate types of employees. As such, Potter's "Emotional Intelligence" is highly desirable as it is the current trendy concept in HR in Corporations. Everything we see in Potter's interviews is linked to this EI thing. EI is all about being in control of your emotions, and displays of anger, emotion etc, are counter to "good practices" in the discipline. Hence we see all these vanilla press interviews. Potter and the owners are probably prepared to take the slow road to reach their objectives, and short-term lack of success is probably not a factor, as long as they can see progress (defined in their own terms, not in the traditional football metrics) towards their long-term success. As such, I don't think fan protests, banners or boos, assuming they come at some point, will make any difference to Boehly's thinking or Potter's job security. He'll be here for the long term.

 

well if the owners want to ignore the fans voice, then what we can do is to show them every single week especially when they are watching in the stadium. 

Look at what United fans have done to Glazers the season before vs Liverpool or how the West Ham fans boo and chant against the owner at home, make sure they are being heard by the media as well so they can put articles out that can pressure the owners. 

6 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

When it's certain that is the case. 

If we lose to Dortmund and limp through the season finishing 10th/11th then I would be surprised if Potter lasts the summer. 

We fans are more emotional. We expect instant results. 

I don't think anyone expected instant results this is a long term project.

The problem is Potter has brought the instant results that have been typical of his career.

The results are just regular defeats and boring draws instead of wins.

The CL is our last chance to salvage this season and for me Potter doesn't deserve to be in charge for it.

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Just sitting here watching Newcastle Labour against Bournemouth and I'm thinking I'd still rather Eddie Howe.

Hell, at the moment I'd take Don Howe 

I will take my grandma who knew nothing about football and was dead for 20 years than Potter at the moment

9 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

When it's certain that is the case. 

If we lose to Dortmund and limp through the season finishing 10th/11th then I would be surprised if Potter lasts the summer. 

We fans are more emotional. We expect instant results. 

There's a massive gulf between Pecan Potter and expecting instant results. 

4 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I will take my grandma who knew nothing about football and was dead for 20 years than Potter at the moment

She also sounds well qualified to be our back up left back.

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

She also sounds well qualified to be our back up left back.

A traffic cone would be more useful than Cucurella at the moment

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

No he hasn't. He said that he was part of the discussions. 

If he was adamant he didn't want Enzo, we wouldn't have signed him. If he was adamant we need to get a proven number 9 striker, we'd have gone out and signed one. 

The signings we made are aligned to the vision he puts out, which is building for the long term, young players with potential. 

 I expect with Tuchel in charge, we'd have made different signings. It wouldn't have been as bad as the summer, but it would have been different. 

And then maybe we'd have been in a better position to challenge for top 4 / the champs league this season, but we'd have probably been in a worse place to challenge for the league over the next 2/3 seasons. 

None of this is about whether Potter is the right manager, I hope he shows something in the rest of the season, performances have been improving, the players signed look good, Dortmund is a test, if we fail that test it's going to be hard for him. 

Although you have to admit that the Enzo  Mudryk and Felix signings are all completely outside of anything he has done before or is renowned for. His reputation has been created on identifying and nurturing emerging talent from more obscure, off the radar areas, not 3 guys for north of 250m. Personally I would question if Mudryk even knew who Potter was before the deal came about. I would be amazed if he had any involvement other than a nodding agreement,  which somewhat ironically is what was being report that Tuchel wanted.

I've hoped and hoped that potter could make something of it, I fully understand that we've had issues left right and centre, but I think its nearly time to call it a day, my issue is that whoever's we get in will inevitably have to be a yes man to suit our owners 

30 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Look at what United fans have done to Glazers the season before vs Liverpool or how the West Ham fans boo and chant against the owner at home, make sure they are being heard by the media as well so they can put articles out that can pressure the owners. 

All three owners are still there.

It's almost as if protesting against people while you're paying them doesn't actually work.

We’ve all seen this level of performance with equally good squads. Big Phil and AVB, luckily for us they were shown the door in good time. I disliked the FSW intensely but he had us doing better than now. New regime seem to be far more charitable with GP yet paradoxically they were ruthless towards TT. Got to just suffer whatever results happen now until May and hope for a turnaround.

The boring football that we moan about has been a feature for years and years. It does my head in , 

The first 20 mins today shows that we can play a different way, and I would imagine that's what Potter wants too.

Now do it for 90 minutes otherwise all that spending will be for f**k all 

Agree with most of what’s been said here but who would take over… seriously? 

Leicester looking good .

Now it's not Rodgers is clueless anymore!

 

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

All three owners are still there.

It's almost as if protesting against people while you're paying them doesn't actually work.

And they are close to a sell to Qatar, makes them as if not richer version of Man City soon

maybe accepting the fate and doing nothing is not the best way to deal with owners that refuse to listen?

1 minute ago, OnePeterOsgood said:

Agree with most of what’s been said here but who would take over… seriously? 

Rodgers 

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