12 minutes ago, grantb said:

When Lampard was brought in the idea was to give him time, what had he done as a manager? Same with Di Matteo, AVB, Avram Grant?

If we don't give someone time things will never change.  Why Potter?  Apart from the last 6 months he has been highly regarded across the industry in every role he has held.  Compared to those listed above he has proven management experience.

I think the owners knew it was a gamble but what alternative do you suggest?

Okay, playing devil's advocate, if Tuchel apparently was anathema and we are now moving to a more progressive style, what is our favoured formation, what is the style, with a "roster" that would grace an NFL team who are his favourite starting players (injuries aside).

I know there have been impacting factors such injuries, but he has also had more mid season training ground time since maybe Conte. I'm fact Conte was still in cups.

Reading that presser again, where is this innovative style that led us away from Tuchel so suddenly.

As much as the board wants to give him time the money they spent to finish bottom half will not go down well with the other investors I assume. 

18 minutes ago, Jangz said:

Lamps in his time took us to an FA Cup final and finished 4th with kids. Potter is tacking us to a new abyss.. despite all the investments. 

We were a Europa league winning team who finished 3rd and swapped hazard for Pulisic James mount and Abraham. 

It's a bit overinflated how special that season was 

30 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

We were a Europa league winning team who finished 3rd and swapped hazard for Pulisic James mount and Abraham. 

It's a bit overinflated how special that season was 

Overinflated by whom? Not by Chelsea fans.

We had a transfer ban. Lampard took us to an FA Cup final and finished 4th with kids. It was truly wonderful to watch the Academy players shine.  It did not last, alas.  But that initial season was not "overinflated" - not by Chelsea fans anyways.

Edited February 12, 20233 yr by TheCeleryKing

All the talk of “give him 2 years” and “sack him now” is all a load of nonsense.

Some of our posters in here are either a) over simplifying the ease of the task (or under estimating the rot in our team), or b) too willing to stick with him whatever the result.

The “sack him now” camp need to chill, get behind the team and see how it goes. We have seen the team stagnate for years - and this is just the start of what we knew would be a long arduous process - which will have its ups and downs.

The “give him 2 years - trust the process” brigade  also need to realise that that we should not stick with someone simply for the sake of continuity. There needs to be progress. At the moment Potter hasn’t got any good will in the bank, so in order to get the time, he has to start showing something more…. Be that results, a tactical / system identity, or simply a bit of grit and fight to win etc.

At the moment we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

The other aspect I would add as well, is that if we are giving Potter 1 or 2 years for this project surely there isn't going to be this great unveiling of this new style. Surely it is reasonable for us to expect an incremental development as part of this "journey". After roughly 6 months I don't think I have seen anything.

Don't get me wrong towards the end of Tucheis reign I found the football turgid. So did he going by some of his comments. He'd have still beaten Fulham and West Ham with or without 600m. In fact he did. Wasn't West Ham his last league game, which he won.

Are we demonstrably any different now having drawn with West Ham on 11/02/23 than we were when we beat them 2-1 on 03/09/22?

5 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

All the talk of “give him 2 years” and “sack him now” is all a load of nonsense.

Some of our posters in here are either a) over simplifying the ease of the task (or under estimating the rot in our team), or b) too willing to stick with him whatever the result.

The “sack him now” camp need to chill, get behind the team and see how it goes. We have seen the team stagnate for years - and this is just the start of what we knew would be a long arduous process - which will have its ups and downs.

The “give him 2 years - trust the process” brigade  also need to realise that that we should not stick with someone simply for the sake of continuity. There needs to be progress. At the moment Potter hasn’t got any good will in the bank, so in order to get the time, he has to start showing something more…. Be that results, a tactical / system identity, or simply a bit of grit and fight to win etc.

At the moment we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

Looking at a number of posts just some bollox over a shocking VAR decision would be a start. Its a bit galling when Danny Murphy is more vocal than our own bloody manager

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

The “sack him now” camp need to chill, get behind the team and see how it goes. We have seen the team stagnate for years - and this is just the start of what we knew would be a long arduous process - which will have its ups and downs.

Todd fast forwarded our 2 year "rebuilding the squad" plan to within a month. We now have ,on paper, a solid senior management team and brought in enough potential players that our team can field 3 XIs when everyone is fit. 

If Potter got his act together, the process wouldn't be long or arduous. The only key injured player is Kante. Chilwell can already play for 40mins, Reece can play the full 90min. Badiashile and Silva has formed a rock solid partnership in a space of a month. Felix and Enzo are gems that can pretty much guarantee goals with the right tactic. Mudryk and Madueke are 2 fast, tricky wingers that love to hug the touchline and want to attack spaces in behind. 

Sure we are missing a prolific striker but we have 99% of a good first XI ready. You are telling us Potter needs 2 years to implement a good style of play when the squad is 99% ready? 

We should give the manager more time. More time for all the managers. More time for the Chelsea manager. BUT should this manager be Potter? I haven't seen a glimpse of his style and charachter and passion. What is Potter ball?  It all reminds me of AVB's "project".  Is Potter the manager for us?

Apart from HRH Thiago Silva this is a very young group of players.  This would be a great “team” to be part of imho. This would be an awesome young team to manage.  Is Potter the best manager for such a young team?  I mean managing and coaching a young team requires special attention to certain details. Potter- Is this his forte?

37 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Overinflated by whom? Not by Chelsea fans.

We had a transfer ban. Lampard took us to an FA Cup final and finished 4th with kids. It was truly wonderful to watch the Academy players shine.  It did not last, alas.  But that initial season was not "overinflated" - not by Chelsea fans anyways.

It's overinflated to act like he performed miracles with kids. He took us to 4th and an fa cup win with arguably a better squad than what Sarri had. Yes no Hazard, but it was a much rounder squad with 3 class academy players coming in. It was a lovely season, but I don't think it's fair to act like he had less tools at his disposal than Potter has had this season at times with the injuries we've had.

But that was then. This is now. Potter has no excuses for me with this squad post the January window to show something between now and the rest of the season. 

Personally I think we were unlucky not to win both games against Fulham and West Ham. I think we should beat Dortmund and we should have a good run for the next 2 months in the league. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

We were a Europa league winning team who finished 3rd and swapped hazard for Pulisic James mount and Abraham. 

It's a bit overinflated how special that season was 

That season was special because there were so many players breaking into first team through academy, which we haven’t seen since John Terry! Or Loftus Cheek if you want to be pedantic.

That season will always hold a special place in my heart because of the circumstances and of course Frank!

1 minute ago, dansubrosa said:

That season was special because there were so many players breaking into first team through academy, which we haven’t seen since John Terry! Or Loftus Cheek if you want to be pedantic.

That season will always hold a special place in my heart because of the circumstances and of course Frank!

The football was generally pretty enjoyable as well. Lampard didn't have a clue how to defend set pieces and struggled setting up our defence in general but at least we scored goals and played relatively direct compared to our playstyle under Tuchel and Potter.

13 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

 

Personally I think we were unlucky not to win both games against Fulham and West Ham. I think we should beat Dortmund and we should have a good run for the next 2 months in the league. 

I'm not sure about that, I see it as two equal teams going up against each other. Losing against Dortmund shouldn't mean much unless we don't win the league matches, but we should win against Everton, Leeds and Southampton and that alone would be a good sign even if we lose against Dortmund.

26 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

It's overinflated to act like he performed miracles with kids. He took us to 4th and an fa cup win with arguably a better squad than what Sarri had. Yes no Hazard, but it was a much rounder squad with 3 class academy players coming in. It was a lovely season, but I don't think it's fair to act like he had less tools at his disposal than Potter has had this season at times with the injuries we've had.

Alas we did not win the FA Cup.

Frank and Jody had to deal with a transfer ban. Potter has had 600 million invested into the squad. I would say that was less at his disposal.

The Academy players coming through was something that took years of planning and development to come through and Frank and Jody were there at the right time.

Jody was great with the kids.  We have a young team now. Maybe we should get Jody back?

Edited February 12, 20233 yr by TheCeleryKing

Southampton have just sacked Nathan jones after 14 games in charge with him winning 5 of them.

We have 3 wins in our last 14 games under Potter.

A couple of weeks ago me and a mate agreed Potter was the 16th best manager in the league, 3 of the 4 managers we had below him have since been sacked.

It's absolutely ridiculous clubs like Southampton and Spurs with Nuno have higher standards than us while some people want the worst manager with the worst results and worst resume we've hired in decades to have years with the biggest budget the sport has ever seen.

People talk about long term projects but they require the right man, If Potter was a graduate (Putting that much valued psychology degree to good use) in any other industry he'd have been sacked by now because it's clear he's just nowhere near qualified for the job.

Edited February 12, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

We have a great young team. Young players. Young players from all over the world.  It should be a lot of fun to play in a team/squad like this. With the right manager in charge.

• Reece James 23
• Mason Mount 24
• Wesley Fofana 22
• Benoit Badiashile 21
• Kai Havertz 23
• Chukwuemeka 19
• Connor Gallagher 23
• Christian Pulisic 24
• Enzo Fernandez 22
• Joao Felix 23
• Andrey Santos 18
• Mykhailo Mudryk 22
• Noni Madueke 20
• Lewis Hall 18
• David Datro Fofana 20
• RLC just turned 27 last month
•  
• Marc Cucurella 24
• Ben Chillwell 26

Edited February 12, 20233 yr by TheCeleryKing

7 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Alas we did not win the FA Cup.

Frank and Jody had to deal with a transfer ban. Potter has had 600 million invested into the squad. I would say that was less at his disposal.

The Academy players coming through was something that took years of planning and development to come through and Frank and Jody were there at the right time.

Jody was great with the kids.  We have a young team now. Maybe we should get Jody back?

Oh of course we didn't actually win a trophy. By overinflated I'm just saying that Lampard didn't perform miracles. He wasn't a good manager.

Potters investment has come very recently, since then drawn 3 and won 1. He has no excuses now to not turn this team into a force.

5 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

We have a great young team. Young players. Young players from all over the world.  It should be a lot of fun to play in a team/squad like this. With the right manager in charge.

• Reece James 23
• Mason Mount 24
• Wesley Fofana 22
• Benoit Badiashile 21
• Kai Havertz 23
• Chukwuemeka 19
• Connor Gallagher 23
• Christian Pulisic 24
• Enzo Fernandez 22
• Joao Felix 23
• Andrey Santos 18
• Mykhailo Mudryk 22
• Noni Madueke 20
• Lewis Hall 18
• David Datro Fofana 20
• RLC just turned 27 last month
•  
• Marc Cucurella 24
• Ben Chillwell 26

Lmao at sneaking RLC in there.

3 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

We have a great young team. Young players. Young players from all over the world.  It should be a lot of fun to play in a team/squad like this. With the right manager in charge.

Reece James 23

 

Mason Mount 24

 

Wesley Fofana 22

 

Benoit Badiashile 21

 

Kai Havertz 23

 

Chukwuemeka 19

 

Connor Gallagher 23

 

Christian Pulisic 24

 

Enzo Fernandez 22

 

Joao Felix 23

 

Andrey Santos 18

 

Mykhailo Mudryk 22

 

Noni Madueke 20

 

Lewis Hall 18

 

David Datro Fofana 20

 

 

 

RLC just turned 27 last month

 

Marc Cucurella 24

 

Ben Chillwell 26

 

And they also get to play with a living legend Silva. 

Just now, bisright1 said:

Oh of course we didn't actually win a trophy. By overinflated I'm just saying that Lampard didn't perform miracles. He wasn't a good manager.

Potters investment has come very recently, since then drawn 3 and won 1. He has no excuses now to not turn this team into a force.

Serendipity plays a big part in football.  The Academy was ready after years and years of grass roots development and FA youth trophies.

To re-cap. We all want Potter to do well. As we all support Chelsea. But . . .Have we seen that playing style yet? There has not been a lot about "Potter Ball" to get excited by thus far.

Who replaces Potter? Its all very well and good saying Potter out, but who is the right man for the job? Im on the fence about him and about the challenge the club faces to bed in players and build for next season. Sadly, I think we have to go through the motions this year until our new signing Nkunku joins us. Until then we simply don't have the firepower to unlock stubborn teams. 

We signed Felix, he has had a positive impact in the final third.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/transfers/2022-2023/christopher-nkunku-completes-deal-to-join-chelsea-from-rb-leipzig-next-summer-report_sto9278052/story.shtml

3 minutes ago, Deino said:

And they also get to play with a living legend Silva. 

Exactly - and hopefully Kante soon?  - as young player it would be great, should be great, a free flowing atmosphere. Expressing great football.

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

We were a Europa league winning team who finished 3rd and swapped hazard for Pulisic James mount and Abraham. 

It's a bit overinflated how special that season was 

If you think it wasn’t a miracle finishing 4th with that squad you must be joking .. James, Tomori, mount and Abraham were playing championship. How many of the big 6 have a squad where their core was playing championship level the season before.

comparing pulisic and this lot is a disrespect to what hazard did and was for the club.. 

with that squad we did the double over spurs, beat arsenal. In the FA cup bettered united and pool. 
 

GPs and his team has floundered very big test fact is we have not beaten a single top 10 team in the league. Players generally have 8-10 years at the top .. this season has virtually meant that 10% of their career means nothing g .

I don’t know him personally but he hasn’t said or showed anything for me to want to trust his methods.

17 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Who replaces Potter? Its all very well and good saying Potter out, but who is the right man for the job? Im on the fence about him and about the challenge the club faces to bed in players and build for next season. Sadly, I think we have to go through the motions this year until our new signing Nkunku joins us. Until then we simply don't have the firepower to unlock stubborn teams. 

We signed Felix, he has had a positive impact in the final third.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/transfers/2022-2023/christopher-nkunku-completes-deal-to-join-chelsea-from-rb-leipzig-next-summer-report_sto9278052/story.shtml

Any of Poch, Zidane, Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Enrique, Tuchel, Ancelotti, Unai Emery, Klopp, Pep, Flick, Bielsa, Dyche, Big Sam, Lopetegui, Simeone, Pellegrini, Gallardo, Villas boas, Fat Rafa, Favre, 

Some of the those names seem like jokes, some are rightfully unemployed, do you klmow what they all have in common? They're all indisputably better managers with better resumes and more successful than Graham Potter.

I Don't buy the idea we can't replace Potter when no one is avaliable because there are 40-50 easily obtainable better managers than Potter it really isn't hard to find an upgrade on a guy who wins 1 game a month over the last 4 years and his career highlight is once finishing 9th.

Nkunku won't help,  Mbappe, Messi, Neymar and Haaland wouldn't help.

we already have enough fire power to score a goals what we don't have is a manager that's capable of getting goals out of any team.

Edited February 12, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

3 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

Any of Poch, Zidane, Mourinho, Brendan Rodgers, Enrique, Tuchel, Ancelotti, Unai Emery, Klopp, Pep, Flick, Bielsa, Dyche, Big Sam, Lopetegui, Simeone, Pellegrini, Gallardo, Villas boas, Fat Rafa, Favre, 

Some of the those names seem like jokes, some are rightfully unemployed, do you klmow what they all have in common? They're all indisputably better managers with better resumes and more successful than Graham Potter.

I Don't buy the idea we can't replace Potter when no one is avaliable because there are 40-50 easily obtainable better managers than Potter it really isn't hard to find an upgrade on a guy who wins 1 game a month over the last 4 years and his career highlight is once finishing 9th.

We have been a top 4 team ever since Conte left regardless of the manager or players.

Can Potter do what Tuchel did? If he does then it's a clear sign of a quality manager, if he says that he needs more time despite the huge investment, the same requirements are waiting for him anyway. The question is how long will the owners give him?

Sarri in his first 10 matches had a 70% win rate and 0 loses and that was after playing Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal.

Lampard in his first 10 matches had a 60% win rate and we lost only to Liverpool and Man United.

Tuchel in his first 10 matches had a 60% win rate and had 0 loses.

Potter comes in and there is no real change in the league performances - Potter is the odd man out.