4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Aye. As the national captain I imagine he will need to speak out about it, on top if, well, him being Messi.

Messi, has rarely spoken out on racism before. My friend pointed this out to me. Drenthe accused him of racism years ago and stated Messi repeatedly referred to him as 'negro' which is derogatory term, however in countries such as Argentina, the term is used to commonly. Even if Messi does speak out on it, seems more of a PR push rather than actually sincerity. 

Edited July 17, 20242 yr by STATS

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Aye. As the national captain I imagine he will need to speak out about it, on top if, well, him being Messi.

I know I am responding to a lot of your posts atm @axman2526. Apologies, i am not picking at your comments, honest , but I think the media is already into the standard Chelsea bashing frenzy. Granted he is a cock for his actions here and he will be deemed the main culprit for live streaming this but I think the clubs of every player visible in that video should be every bit as vocal as Chelsea and should be called out just as much by the world's press.

20 minutes ago, charierre said:

This has clearly been written by the club or his personal PR team and endorsed by him. Would have been far better to keep it simple.

’Sorry I was wrong and ashamed of my actions’

A selfie Instagram post saying such would have at least had a modicum of authenticity.  This could have been written by anyone. Similarly I think all of these players unfollowing him is probably being done by their media/image consultants. 

Anyway, I'm off to Bet365 to put a tenner down on the next Chelsea player on the injury list!

10 minutes ago, STATS said:

No. Disagree. It is good that players are vocal on matters like this. It feels personal to him which it is and is racist. It is right that he is called out for it and made to feel the weight of his actions by his own teammates. If Fernandez is so openly posting it, then his teammates should also openly make him feel the weight of his actions.

I actually think that all football related social media presence from players should be governed by the club and run through club managed sites. By all means have your own presence, send pictures of yourself and your WAG on holiday, post non football related personal stuff if that's your bag, but anything relating to your employment, even by association,  should be enshrined in the club's code and any transgression should be subject to potentially severe punishment, including ultimately possible legal action.  IMHO.

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

What do you think that actions should be Sconnie?

Well, obviously first he has to go through a racial sensitivity training where he will learn how not to be a racist, that goes without saying. Then, of course, tour the African continent and pose for a few adorable pics with a bunch of malnourished kids dressed in new Chelsea shirts in some remote village , and voila, he's not a racist anymore but simply a misunderstood young man who clearly loves black people, especially the ones from France. It will all lead to a grand finale with Enzo arriving at Cobham and tearfully embracing his black teammates while singing "We shall overcome" with the club cameraman recording this monumental event for the very special episode of "Behind the Scenes at Cobham".

My word that is stupid. Why would the Argentinians sing a song like that and why on earth does Enzo film it and post it. Makes no sense. This won't end we'll.

4 minutes ago, evissy said:

My word that is stupid. Why would the Argentinians sing a song like that and why on earth does Enzo film it and post it. Makes no sense. This won't end we'll.

Agreed.

For those that think moving him on might be an overreaction, don't be surprised is all I would say.

Regardless of the underlying offence, corporate image on the global stage and brand protection is something the major American institutions are keenly aware and what may be seen as overreaction in some quarters would be seen as proaction by them.

The Trevor Bauer case for Boehly's Dodgers is a case in point. Under the banner of a proactive statement they have swallowed a financial hit to remove a lingering bad odour around the club.

If Clearlake could remove this taint from the club and still swallow a bit of a financial hit, do we think they would do it (and gain some PR credibility in their reasoning). Of course Real's ruled out now!

Before people pile into me, I am not saying that we should sell him, I am just saying there is a precedent for these owners reacting in this way.

Chelsea simply can't take such a massive hit financially by releasing or selling him.

He will probably come back to the club, apologise in front of everybody, get a big fine and then stay away from the first team for a couple of months until the things cool off.

Horrible apology. Didn't even apologize to French players, his teammates or the millions of black fans around the world. Probably wasn't even written by him. 

28 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Horrible apology. Didn't even apologize to French players, his teammates or the millions of black fans around the world. Probably wasn't even written by him. 

He even used comic sans

Obviously not going to speak for the french contingent but that "statement" would have insulted me further if I was.

Not written by him
Doesn't apologize to his french teammates (or anyone else for that matter)
In Argentina colors

Just reeks of "i'm going on vacation, put out a statement for me so we can pretend i'm sorry"

 

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Horrible apology. Didn't even apologize to French players, his teammates or the millions of black fans around the world. Probably wasn't even written by him. 

It definitely wasn’t written by him and he also used Argentine blue, that’s pure trolling by whoever told him to post that message with that front and colour. 

That is the font of genuine contrition.

Club released a statement:

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/club-statement-july-17-2024

If you cant click:

Chelsea Football Club finds all forms of discriminatory behaviour completely unacceptable. We are proud to be a diverse, inclusive club where people from all cultures, communities and identities feel welcome.

 

We acknowledge and appreciate our player’s public apology and will use this as an opportunity to educate.

The Club has instigated an internal disciplinary procedure.

 

IMO the fans deserve to know what the disciplinary procedure is, but that's just me. The statement felt incomplete.

2 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Club released a statement:

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/club-statement-july-17-2024

If you cant click:

Chelsea Football Club finds all forms of discriminatory behaviour completely unacceptable. We are proud to be a diverse, inclusive club where people from all cultures, communities and identities feel welcome.

 

We acknowledge and appreciate our player’s public apology and will use this as an opportunity to educate.

The Club has instigated an internal disciplinary procedure.

 

That statement is pathetic!!!

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

Chelsea simply can't take such a massive hit financially by releasing or selling him.

He will probably come back to the club, apologise in front of everybody, get a big fine and then stay away from the first team for a couple of months until the things cool off.

He will get a mysterious injury

When I read the first report re this it suggested that it wasn’t a video it was a live stream . I can’t now find that report.Although Sky are referring it  as an Instagram Live.That doesn’t make a vast difference but the level of premedication but the story is that mid stream the live broadcast was ceased by Fernandez

As the  daily Mirror reported there are multiple PL players that were on that coach and whilst we don’t know if any of them participated it’s likely . Will clubs like Spurs, Villa and City instigate internal disciplinary proceedings ? They might be forced into such 

Although it’s no excuse many of the things that are considered acceptable in other countries are not deemed appropriate in the UK indeed only this morning there was a massive debate on the TV news around the banning of head scarves by France at the Olympics. 
 

Young players, and Fernandez is just that, get caught up in the moment and when celebrating they often chant inappropriate songs belted out by their supporters. It shouldn’t happen but it does 

I actually don’t see much wrong with his apology.

When JT made his comments to Anton Ferdinand there was all sorts of outcry to be honest players fall out with each other all the time they will get over this and hopefully this truly will be used to move the debate forward

He's a moron.

Get him sold, don't need a character like that in our young squad and it will cause divides keeping him.

Waster

15 minutes ago, El regreso said:

That statement is pathetic!!!

What were they meant to say ? At the point this happened he wasn’t under club jurisdiction so it should be down to the Argentinian FA to deal with

1 minute ago, terraloon said:

What were they meant to say ? At the point this happened he wasn’t under club jurisdiction so it should be down to the Argentinian FA to deal with

It's become a club issue of course when he's gravely insulted his own teammates. And then put out a pathetic statement that apologized to none of them while they at the same time are being bombarded on their social medias by more Argentinian racists with horrendous comments. This is a bad situation. Very bad situation actually.

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

Chelsea simply can't take such a massive hit financially by releasing or selling him.

I think you're wrong here. It will be a massive hit i agree, but thatvwoild be dwarfed by the direct and indirect financial losses it has the potential to lead to. 

Lost sponsorships, lack of official partners, loss of revenue from on pitch success due to squad disharmony, and others. The potential ramifications are huge, not saying it will be but there is a reason there are PR people. To put a spin on things like this to reduce the impact and to help put best foot forward in public and steer clear of potential minefields like this in the first place. 

Obviously there is already been a failing in the second bit, which might have been out of control of the Chelsea PR machine. 

1 minute ago, terraloon said:

What were they meant to say ? At the point this happened he wasn’t under club jurisdiction so it should be down to the Argentinian FA to deal with

So if Argentinean FA says it's cool, the club should just accept it and move on?😅

He's under contract at CFC and I'm sure there are clauses and stipulations in it that he has to conduct himself in a certain manner to avoid all sorts of punishment up to, and including, dismissal. This is a very serious matter and has potential to destroy not only the atmosphere in a dressing room but have all kinds of negative consequences for the club, and not just in football matters.

What a f**king idiot. Clearly lacking some brain cells. 

15 minutes ago, terraloon said:

What were they meant to say ? At the point this happened he wasn’t under club jurisdiction so it should be down to the Argentinian FA to deal with

Jurisdiction is not an issue. There will be a dispute clause in Fernandez's contract about bringing the club or game into disrepute. 

eg in Clause 3.2.5 in the EPL Standard Playing Contract