4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

On what flipping planet is Eddie Howe coming here 🤣 season starts for Potter on Thursday. Let's see how he does til end of March where every game is winnable - even with this team of wet blankets. 

Hopefully we've managed to build some confidence heading into the summer and can ship out and ship in what's necessary.

Bisright please tell me you spotted the irony in my post?

I'm still 100% behind GP and won't change until I have seen what he does when he has our key players back from injury and has had a chance to integrate them with some of the new signings. 

30 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

Love how all the Potter fans are blaming this on Tuchel I wasn't his biggest fan but the excuses for this guy are now just getting hilarious from trusting the process to our club is changing so we need a new type of manager We need a winning manager who commands respect who is tactically astute. A board who know the game from players to business acumen and understand what we have achieved as a club can not be tossed away on the egos and wim of the new board

Some seem to have convinced themselves that we have changed in the sense that we are now that team before Roman, before Ranieri, even before Vialli and Gullit. A team that will once again bounce around from 10th to 14th like we were in the early 90's. The thing is, they are wrong. If we end up in that position again, it won't be because that is the standards the club has set itself, it will be because we are massively failing and underachieving. The new owners are going all in, much more than even Abramovich did before he was forced to sell. They are going about it all the wrong way in my opinion, but the standards are as high as ever. They will want Premier League and Champions League titles in the future. You don't spend the money they have spent without demanding success in the long term.

7 minutes ago, just said:

I'm still 100% behind GP and won't change until I have seen what he does when he has our key players back from injury and has had a chance to integrate them with some of the new signings. 

What if he's lost the dressing room before that? Would you still back him?
Simply wondering.

Mount for example, have you ever seen him this lethargic for us? Who knows what's going on but he's got some quality players available to him at the moment as well and there is just nothing anywhere. I don't even see effort, I use Mount as the current example as he always gave 110% whenever he was on the field for our former manager but there are obviously others as well.

Edited January 8, 20233 yr by OriginalS

Potter OUT
Ralph Hasenhüttl IN

3 minutes ago, the special one said:

Potter OUT
Ralph Hasenhüttl IN

God no

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

What if he's lost the dressing room before that? Would you still back him?
Simply wondering.

Mount for example, have you ever seen him this lethargic for us? Who knows what's going on but he's got some quality players available to him at the moment as well and there is just nothing anywhere. 

If he loses the dressing room it won't matter what I think will it? Actually I think managers rarely lose an entire dressing room. They lose certain players within those groups and some of those players hold more power and sway than others. Particularly, it has to be said, at our club. Hence, managers are usually going to be more wary of upsetting them rather than others.

If you believe the media reports at the time, TTs press conference after the Arsenal pre-season debacle, and some of the player's comments post Tuchel's exit, it seems obvious all was not sweetness and harmony in the camp. That was certainly reflected in the football and the results at the end.

 

25 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

What if he's lost the dressing room before that? Would you still back him?
Simply wondering.

Mount for example, have you ever seen him this lethargic for us? Who knows what's going on but he's got some quality players available to him at the moment as well and there is just nothing anywhere. I don't even see effort, I use Mount as the current example as he always gave 110% whenever he was on the field for our former manager but there are obviously others as well.

I've seen mount this lethargic for us. He was this bad under tuchels last few months!

5 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I've seen mount this lethargic for us. He was this bad under tuchels last few months!

He's always had huge patches of mediocrity for us, people just didn't notice. He turns 24 in two days, he shouldn't be treated as some academy prospect anymore, if he doesn't deliver then he should be shown the door. He hasn't improved at all over the past 2/3 years.

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

He's always had huge patches of mediocrity for us, people just didn't notice. He turns 24 in two days, he shouldn't be treated as some academy prospect anymore, if he doesn't deliver then he should be shown the door. He hasn't improved at all over the past 2/3 years.

I’ve simply lost all patience with him. Unlike Havertz, I want him to stay and accept his limited role. 

3 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

For the record, I think Tuchel is better than any manager available. I'm not just saying bring him back because he shouldn't have been sacked in the first place. There's very very few managers that are objectively better than him, Klopp is the only one that comes to mind. Boehly should swallow his pride.

Where did Liverpool finish their first season under Klopp ?

f**k the " dressing room " I don't care if they don't like the manager , as soon as you put the Chelsea shirt on you give everything for our club and for our fans.

get out of our club, the obvious lack of effort and determination was a disgrace especially after the passing of a Chelsea legend who played with desire and a love for the club and fans .

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Where did Liverpool finish their first season under Klopp ?

9th I think, though the football was a pretty clear upgrade on Rodgers. He won 2 Bundesligas with Dortmund though (no team other than Bayern has won it since), took Dortmund to the Champions League final, won Liverpool their first Prem in 30+ years, along with coming 2nd with 92 and 97 points (which wins the title 99% of the time). Liverpool have had the lowest net spend of the top 6 during his time there. On top of that, he won the Champions League with Liverpool along with reaching the finals twice. Not to mention the domestic cups he has won. He's the elite of the elite when it comes to managers in my opinion, he hasn't had an unlimited chequebook like Guardiola.

8th apparently?

17 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

9th I think, though the football was a pretty clear upgrade on Rodgers. He won 2 Bundesligas with Dortmund though (no team other than Bayern has won it since), took Dortmund to the Champions League final, won Liverpool their first Prem in 30+ years, along with coming 2nd with 92 and 97 points (which wins the title 99% of the time). Liverpool have had the lowest net spend of the top 6 during his time there. On top of that, he won the Champions League with Liverpool along with reaching the finals twice. Not to mention the domestic cups he has won. He's the elite of the elite when it comes to managers in my opinion, he hasn't had an unlimited chequebook like Guardiola.

Yeah he's good manager no doubt . . I want us to be successful too., But the season they finished 9th after coming so close with Rogers had everyone mocking the appointment.

doesn't mean Potter will be the same I know, sack Potter after bring in staff from Brighton I don't think will happen..

I'm not happy but I'm a Chelsea supporter , I want us to be top dogs again, .... if we ain't ?

I'm still Chelsea

take care mate

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, the special one said:

Potter OUT
Ralph Hasenhüttl IN

Purely because I know what @Munkworthreaction would be I will answer as Arnold J Rimmer would do:

"I am all in favour!"

11 hours ago, loz said:

In the words of Luca, in football you don't lose, you learn.

 

Wise words Luca, and always true to some extent. Some times more than others. Some games you put up a great contest, lose but walk away with your head held high and valuable experience and lessons learned.

 

Then there is today, walk off, utterly humiliated after putting in a performance that wouldn't look out of place in the great book of French Military Victories.

 

Couple of performances by the youngsters are a bit of a good lesson learned however the main thing we learned is something we already knew. In our senior players we have no leadership, no stomach for the fight and absolutely f**k all sense of pride.

 

It's f**king embarrassing to see the likes of Hall trying to make an impression on a game when players with the experience of Jorginho, Koulibaly, Ziyech, Havertz and Mount have signed off within 15 minutes of the game starting. 

 

Mount aside, and he is only saved through age and a hope he can rediscover his ability, the other four need shipped in the summer.

 

Jorginho was a disgrace today. Captain my arse. Every minute he plays for us is a wasted opportunity to play...bloody anyone else. 

 

I know there is a growing push for Potter to be punted and that's understandable given the results and performances we are seeing but f**k me Tuchel incrementally built a squad not fit for purpose.

Great Post but wasn't Koulibaly the only Tuchel signing from the group you cited, and realistically he never got to work with him anyway.

With you on everything else though.

10 hours ago, OriginalS said:

What if he's lost the dressing room before that? Would you still back him?
Simply wondering.

Mount for example, have you ever seen him this lethargic for us? Who knows what's going on but he's got some quality players available to him at the moment as well and there is just nothing anywhere. I don't even see effort, I use Mount as the current example as he always gave 110% whenever he was on the field for our former manager but there are obviously others as well.

Or to take this point on a step. What if Potter sells Mount in January and buys Trossard. Do we see this as part of a transition. 

I remember all the abuse (ok not really, disagreement lol), I got for calling for Pochettino.

In hindsight , he would have been a much better option. Nothing flashy, just someone who'd get the players structured, working really hard (high distance covered) and knowing their roles in a fairly straight forward higher line 4-2-3-1 pressing shape. It wouldn't have been as frilly, but we would have definitely played much closer to our ability level and not underperformed to this level.

Instead we (the club) decided to go for the experimental back 3, wingers as wing-backs guy right in the middle of an injury crisis and on the back of bringing half a new squad of players in, none of which the manager picked himself (unless the rumours of them bringing in Cucurella in on Potter's advice were true). It hasn't worked and if it will work, will probably need months more, another heap of new signings and alot of patience to work.

I voted stay until the end of the season, but the more I think about it........the more i'm thinking it's a case of "good manager, wrong club, wrong time" and with all the upheaval, a steady set of hands rather than a (relative, at this level) "rookie manager" makes more sense at this point in time.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Guest

7 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Where did Liverpool finish their first season under Klopp ?

Having got his first win against...you know who, I think he ended up 8th, league Cup and Europa Cup final, I think. Is this the bar to measure Potter by then. He still has to go some to make this. 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Having got his first win against...you know who, I think he ended up 8th, league Cup and Europa Cup final, I think. Is this the bar to measure Potter by then. He still has to go some to make this. 

Top 8 or top 10 is the same thing for us, Potter will need to get more wins next season and specially if we do sign a lot of new players.

8 hours ago, Qaz said:

I remember all the abuse (ok not really, disagreement lol), I got for calling for Pochettino.

In hindsight , he would have been a much better option. Nothing flashy, just someone who'd get the players structured, working really hard (high distance covered) and knowing their roles in a fairly straight forward higher line 4-2-3-1 pressing shape. It wouldn't have been as frilly, but we would have definitely played much closer to our ability level and not underperformed to this level.

Instead we (the club) decided to go for the experimental back 3, wingers as wing-backs guy right in the middle of an injury crisis and on the back of bringing half a new squad of players in, none of which the manager picked himself (unless the rumours of them bringing in Cucurella in on Potter's advice were true). It hasn't worked and if it will work, will probably need months more, another heap of new signings and alot of patience to work.

I voted stay until the end of the season, but the more I think about it........the more i'm thinking it's a case of "good manager, wrong club, wrong time" and with all the upheaval, a steady set of hands rather than a (relative, at this level) "rookie manager" makes more sense at this point in time.

Wrong time is probably one of the biggest factors IMO. Boehly didn't do Potter any favours by dumping him into a club that already had a lot of issues with its squad without having a preseason or any transfer window. Hell, we didn't even have a backroom at that point. If United threw Ten Hag into their team last season, he just would have been the target of all the frustration and vitriol from fans. Potter isn't the world's best manager but I believe under different circumstances he would have had a good/decent start to his Chelsea career. I'm still Potter-In and I'm willing to back him but I can also understand the frustrations of fans who aren't.

1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Wrong time is probably one of the biggest factors IMO. Boehly didn't do Potter any favours by dumping him into a club that already had a lot of issues with its squad without having a preseason or any transfer window. Hell, we didn't even have a backroom at that point. If United threw Ten Hag into their team last season, he just would have been the target of all the frustration and vitriol from fans. Potter isn't the world's best manager but I believe under different circumstances he would have had a good/decent start to his Chelsea career. I'm still Potter-In and I'm willing to back him but I can also understand the frustrations of fans who aren't.

I think Ten Hag was at the beginning to be fair but without the 12m a year. If anything Ten Hag's challenges have been jsut as big as Potter's, perhaps without quite the same level of injuries.

7 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I think Ten Hag was at the beginning to be fair but without the 12m a year. If anything Ten Hag's challenges have been jsut as big as Potter's, perhaps without quite the same level of injuries.

I thought Ten Hag had the a pre-season/summer transfer window? Or he came in at the start of the window? Can't keep up with United so have honestly forgotten 

25 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I thought Ten Hag had the a pre-season/summer transfer window? Or he came in at the start of the window? Can't keep up with United so have honestly forgotten 

Fair point to be honest 

The next two games for Potter are absolutely crucial. Am thinking the minimum return must be 3 points. Anything less and I will be amazed if he survives, especially as someone mentioned today that he had just had the dreaded ‘vote of confidence’ from Uncle Todd. That’s the kiss of death !