10 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Lets say Potter is shown the door in the near future, the question is what decent manager would risk their reputation to take over this mess? If the owners change their mind on Potter  after a few months, then there is no 'project' and any new manager would be expected to deliver results immediately with the same challenges (injuries, poor signings etc.). We could quickly change from an 18-24 month cycle to a 3-6 month cycle for new managers like Watford. And we know what happened there.

Fair point, but that's Boehly's job to convince whoever is interested in the job. At the end of the day it's a pretty black and white industry get the results keep your job, you don't well here's the door. It has to be this way because there are very few determinants to success in a football club at the end of the day it's just a game of random occurances. It is those that prove time and time again that despite the uncertainty they can win consistently that get given time at a club. 

Any elite manager could be lured to this job under the right conditions, Potter being sacked early into his tenure could be explained by Boehly and Co as an appointment that came too soon it's as simple as that. He wasn't ready for the big time and you (coach X) are.

12 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

People who vote no are just married to mediocrity 

 

Did you manage to hire that plane that you were posting about, for your match day protest?

3 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Lets say Potter is shown the door in the near future, the question is what decent manager would risk their reputation to take over this mess? If the owners change their mind on Potter  after a few months, then there is no 'project' and any new manager would be expected to deliver results immediately with the same challenges (injuries, poor signings etc.). We could quickly change from an 18-24 month cycle to a 3-6 month cycle for new managers like Watford. And we know what happened there.

I think the answer is any manager, as long as the pay is right. 

I agree with the overall point though. It’s clear to every man and his dog spot that what’s happening at Chelsea currently is a long term project. If the board were to pull the trigger on that within 4/5/6 months then all that talk of a long term project is meaningless. 

A new manager doesn’t fix the problems that exist in this squad. We might improve in the short term but in 18 months time we’d probably be looking for a new manager again and having all this talk of “project” and “vision” once again. Potter is also managing the club through the worst injury crisis I’ve ever seen. I’m confident once key players like James, Chilwell, Kante and Fofana return that we will start to look better. 

Top 4 has gone, and I’m ok with that as long as I feel the club are working for something in the long term which at the moment I still think is the case. 

Potter isn’t blameless either, some of the decisions and performances have been awful. But on the other hand we have had some good performances as well, and coincidentally those performances came when some of our key players weren’t injured. 

I do worry that the board may make a decision if results don’t improve, and everyone will say what a failure this exercise has been. But in my opinion there’s no way to say if this has been a failure or not unless we give him a reasonable amount of time to implement his ideas, and we’ve signed players that fit that vision. 

If we’ve not improved this time next year then maybe that’s when we need to start asking more questions but for now I’m still happy to give him a bit of time. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I think the answer is any manager, as long as the pay is right. 

I agree with the overall point though. It’s clear to every man and his dog spot that what’s happening at Chelsea currently is a long term project. If the board were to pull the trigger on that within 4/5/6 months then all that talk of a long term project is meaningless. 

A new manager doesn’t fix the problems that exist in this squad. We might improve in the short term but in 18 months time we’d probably be looking for a new manager again and having all this talk of “project” and “vision” once again. Potter is also managing the club through the worst injury crisis I’ve ever seen. I’m confident once key players like James, Chilwell, Kante and Fofana return that we will start to look better. 

Top 4 has gone, and I’m ok with that as long as I feel the club are working for something in the long term which at the moment I still think is the case. 

Potter isn’t blameless either, some of the decisions and performances have been awful. But on the other hand we have had some good performances as well, and coincidentally those performances came when some of our key players weren’t injured. 

I do worry that the board may make a decision if results don’t improve, and everyone will say what a failure this exercise has been. But in my opinion there’s no way to say if this has been a failure or not unless we give him a reasonable amount of time to implement his ideas, and we’ve signed players that fit that vision. 

If we’ve not improved this time next year then maybe that’s when we need to start asking more questions but for now I’m still happy to give him a bit of time. 
 

 

Fantastic post Jonsey. Agree with every word of that fella. 

5 minutes ago, just said:

 

Thanks just, I just spat tea out everywhere!

30 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Lets say Potter is shown the door in the near future, the question is what decent manager would risk their reputation to take over this mess? If the owners change their mind on Potter  after a few months, then there is no 'project' and any new manager would be expected to deliver results immediately with the same challenges (injuries, poor signings etc.). We could quickly change from an 18-24 month cycle to a 3-6 month cycle for new managers like Watford. And we know what happened there.

I genuinely don't think this needs to be a mess. We do have quality players. Yes we have some dross, everybody does. But we do have quality. Even PEA would score goals in the correct environment. 

A dedicated fitness and conditioning regime and a better structured  pattern of play is easily achievable providing the players respect the management and believe in the project.

Unfortunately i think that it is starting to look like the players themselves still have the entrenched mentality of "show me your medals". 

Tuchel signed for us, took training that night and the next morning,  then played a flying Wolves that night getting a 0-0. We were a team that conceded from virtually every shot and Rudiger couldn't even get in the side because hecwas like Bambi on ice. Tuchel stopped the rot, dead, immediately. That got attention before going on any run.

With Potter we didn't even really get a new manager bounce.

Do they believe in him. I am starting to have doubts.

He needs to have a game where it all clicks and we give someone a proper rinsing. Then we will have something tangible that we can see as a target we are heading towards. Its not been visible in four months so far.

1 hour ago, big blue said:

Next 3 league games are absolutely massive. 9 points and we are back with a chance of top 4. 

But if we slip up....how can anyone justify us competing outside the top 8. 

You should accept that this season is done and dusted unless by some miracle we progress in the CL. This season has been the perfect storm, half the first team squad out with long term injuries, clueless new owners with a manager that has never managed at this level, stupid buys with no direction and bringing in a team of backroom staff that have only worked with bang average clubs....a recipe for disaster as unfolding before our eyes. 

Next season we won't have to worry about Wed or Thurs games, as we will finish around mid-table this year and no European football to distract us.  This will give GP more time with the squad to concentrate on the League games and preparation with the 'new generation'.......................assuming he's still here.

10 hours ago, evissy said:

He also has 15 senior international players to utilize. 

But of this 15 senior internationals, plenty of fans agree are the problem so why do even we need to count on them anymore? 

If the problem isn't Potter and we need to shift these players to implement more youth players, since the results don't matter for Potter anyway for this season, why not just rip the current blueprint and actually implement the style of football that Potter wants with youth players and those willing to fight for the badge? 

1 hour ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I think the answer is any manager, as long as the pay is right. 

I agree with the overall point though. It’s clear to every man and his dog spot that what’s happening at Chelsea currently is a long term project. If the board were to pull the trigger on that within 4/5/6 months then all that talk of a long term project is meaningless. 

A new manager doesn’t fix the problems that exist in this squad. We might improve in the short term but in 18 months time we’d probably be looking for a new manager again and having all this talk of “project” and “vision” once again. Potter is also managing the club through the worst injury crisis I’ve ever seen. I’m confident once key players like James, Chilwell, Kante and Fofana return that we will start to look better. 

Top 4 has gone, and I’m ok with that as long as I feel the club are working for something in the long term which at the moment I still think is the case. 

Potter isn’t blameless either, some of the decisions and performances have been awful. But on the other hand we have had some good performances as well, and coincidentally those performances came when some of our key players weren’t injured. 

I do worry that the board may make a decision if results don’t improve, and everyone will say what a failure this exercise has been. But in my opinion there’s no way to say if this has been a failure or not unless we give him a reasonable amount of time to implement his ideas, and we’ve signed players that fit that vision. 

If we’ve not improved this time next year then maybe that’s when we need to start asking more questions but for now I’m still happy to give him a bit of time. 
 

 

Agree with you fella. Want to see where this ride takes us and not have us jump ship so soon. Let's give Potter time and see what he can do. Hopefully he proves a lot wrong, and the ownership prove me wrong.

Transition since 2018 😅

57 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

You should accept that this season is done and dusted unless by some miracle we progress in the CL. This season has been the perfect storm, half the first team squad out with long term injuries, clueless new owners with a manager that has never managed at this level, stupid buys with no direction and bringing in a team of backroom staff that have only worked with bang average clubs....a recipe for disaster as unfolding before our eyes. 

Next season we won't have to worry about Wed or Thurs games, as we will finish around mid-table this year and no European football to distract us.  This will give GP more time with the squad to concentrate on the League games and preparation with the 'new generation'.......................assuming he's still here.

It's the perfect opportunity to give minutes to Carney, Hall, Hutch, Casadei, Santos and Fofana.

No chance of European qualificaiton, can chance we go down. Far less pressure.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Transition since 2018 😅

Mis-managment by a far less involved Roman and Marina, now mis-managment by Todd and Co. 

No other way to put it when such obvious bad deals like Lukaku, Aubameyang, Koulibaly and Sterling are made. Plus various other flops.

8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Mis-managment by a far less involved Roman and Marina, now mis-managment by Todd and Co. 

No other way to put it when such obvious bad deals like Lukaku, Aubameyang, Koulibaly and Sterling are made. Plus various other flops.

Interesting times ahead. Absolute circus this club. Match going fans deserve way better. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Interesting times ahead. Absolute circus this club. Match going fans deserve way better. 

Indeed, however we need better from the crowd at the Bridge as well. Set the tone each game, back the team pull them along. Show them your passion for the club.

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1 hour ago, drjonesy1994 said:

I think the answer is any manager, as long as the pay is right. 

I agree with the overall point though. It’s clear to every man and his dog spot that what’s happening at Chelsea currently is a long term project. If the board were to pull the trigger on that within 4/5/6 months then all that talk of a long term project is meaningless. 

A new manager doesn’t fix the problems that exist in this squad. We might improve in the short term but in 18 months time we’d probably be looking for a new manager again and having all this talk of “project” and “vision” once again. Potter is also managing the club through the worst injury crisis I’ve ever seen. I’m confident once key players like James, Chilwell, Kante and Fofana return that we will start to look better. 

Top 4 has gone, and I’m ok with that as long as I feel the club are working for something in the long term which at the moment I still think is the case. 

Potter isn’t blameless either, some of the decisions and performances have been awful. But on the other hand we have had some good performances as well, and coincidentally those performances came when some of our key players weren’t injured. 

I do worry that the board may make a decision if results don’t improve, and everyone will say what a failure this exercise has been. But in my opinion there’s no way to say if this has been a failure or not unless we give him a reasonable amount of time to implement his ideas, and we’ve signed players that fit that vision. 

If we’ve not improved this time next year then maybe that’s when we need to start asking more questions but for now I’m still happy to give him a bit of time. 
 

 

This has been pretty much a failure already. 

The only excuse/defence is "this is a long term project". People say this is a long term project without there being proof of it actually being a long term project. 

You are just buying a lottery ticket in hope of winning a jackpot. 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Tuchel signed for us, took training that night and the next morning,  then played a flying Wolves that night getting a 0-0. We were a team that conceded from virtually every shot and Rudiger couldn't even get in the side because hecwas like Bambi on ice. Tuchel stopped the rot, dead, immediately. That got attention before going on any run.

With Potter we didn't even really get a new manager bounce.

While i don't disagree Tuchel had an immediate effect and I'm still to be sold on Potter.

Take James, Rudiger, Christensen, Kante, Kova and Chilwell out for most of that first half season and he makes no improvement on his predecessor either.

It's easy to dismiss it as an excuse but it's genuine mitigation. Swap Rudi/AC for Forfana and the last time we had three or more of the above avaliable at the same we smashed the current Serie A champions twice.

12 minutes ago, Deino said:

This has been pretty much a failure already. 

The only excuse/defence is "this is a long term project". People say this is a long term project without there being proof of it actually being a long term project. 

You are just buying a lottery ticket in hope of winning a jackpot. 

As I alluded to above the injuries are a valid mitigation.

If we were performing like this with the first team I'd be wanting him out already but our injury list is bonkers, even more so than last season which I didn't think was even possible.

The real point is that he never should have been appointed in the first place. Utter disaster from Boehly and co. If you're asking who should get the sack it's Boehly. Bring back Roman!

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

As I alluded to above the injuries are a valid mitigation.

If we were performing like this with the first team I'd be wanting him out already but our injury list is bonkers, even more so than last season which I didn't think was even possible.

Note this injury list comes six months after the new owners virtually sacked our entire medical staff. This is a cluster that comes right from the top. 

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I genuinely don't think this needs to be a mess. We do have quality players. Yes we have some dross, everybody does. But we do have quality. Even PEA would score goals in the correct environment. 

A dedicated fitness and conditioning regime and a better structured  pattern of play is easily achievable providing the players respect the management and believe in the project.

Unfortunately i think that it is starting to look like the players themselves still have the entrenched mentality of "show me your medals". 

Tuchel signed for us, took training that night and the next morning,  then played a flying Wolves that night getting a 0-0. We were a team that conceded from virtually every shot and Rudiger couldn't even get in the side because hecwas like Bambi on ice. Tuchel stopped the rot, dead, immediately. That got attention before going on any run.

With Potter we didn't even really get a new manager bounce.

Do they believe in him. I am starting to have doubts.

He needs to have a game where it all clicks and we give someone a proper rinsing. Then we will have something tangible that we can see as a target we are heading towards. Its not been visible in four months so far.

'Unfortunately i think that it is starting to look like the players themselves still have the entrenched mentality of "show me your medals". '

 

Judging by Kieron Dyer's comments that seems to be the case, though I do genuinely think Tuchel is tactically a far better manager and the training was more likely more intense under him.

 

4 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

'Unfortunately i think that it is starting to look like the players themselves still have the entrenched mentality of "show me your medals". '

 

Judging by Kieron Dyer's comments that seems to be the case, though I do genuinely think Tuchel is tactically a far better manager and the training was more likely more intense under him.

 

The players have turned on winners before though, Jose for example.

39 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Note this injury list comes six months after the new owners virtually sacked our entire medical staff. This is a cluster that comes right from the top. 

The injury issues have been a problem for the last 2-3 years now though. They have just got worse this year. 

Far too many negative to sacking Potter now to make it worth while imo.

Unless you tell me Todd is going to sign a top class keeper, midfield enforcer, midfield creator, a goal scoring, wide player who creates havoc and is a very good finisher AND an all around striker that is a lethal finisher then we have no chance of making top 4, no chance of winning the CL with what we have. Potter,  Tuchel, Pep, Klopp, Big Sam, it don't matter who the manager is he is not taking this lot, with this injury list, to those goals from where we are right now.

So why set another manager up for failure? That is what we would be doing. We would be saying where we are is not acceptable. I know it is not but you would be giving a new manager a hospital pass and gaining nothing by it. We are not making top 4, we are not getting relegated, so give Potter the time to either make improvements or hang himself. 

Otherwise what manager is going to believe a word our owners say to them? What good manager walks in to this? Because of our name alone and IF Todd promises to buy him the players he wants we can still attract a top coach in the summer with no European football.

Let's see what Potter can do until then. Remember giving Lamps extra time allowed us to develop Mount and James, and wait for TT to be sacked and appoint him. Without those 3, no second CL. And yes I know we sacked Lamps around now for TT when things looked bleak. I don't think he can repeat the trick with this squad and these injuries even if he wanted to come back, and even if he does our owners made it CLEAR he was sacked not for football reasons, but because they could not work with him for the goals they wanted.

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3 hours ago, Argo said:

As I alluded to above the injuries are a valid mitigation.

If we were performing like this with the first team I'd be wanting him out already but our injury list is bonkers, even more so than last season which I didn't think was even possible.

You're not wrong but something has to change. The longer we are stuck in this performance rut,  the harder it becomes to believe in the ownership or management. 

The only sliver of hope fans have these days is that Boehly and Co. are not afraid of spending money on new players.

27 minutes ago, Deino said:

You're not wrong but something has to change. The longer we are stuck in this performance rut,  the harder it becomes to believe in the ownership or management. 

The only sliver of hope fans have these days is that Boehly and Co. are not afraid of spending money on new players.

Though that hope is tempered by the fact they spent money on dross like Cucurella, Aubameyang and Sterling.