8 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

He has been given more time than any player. 

If he does not cost us 100m not 23, poch would have sent him to train with u-12/u-15 after our game vs boro

 

Does the manager trust him though? You can be giving a player mins but for a young player a manager’s confidence & trust goes a long way in their development. 

Conor Bradley that ripped Sterling apart today should not have been starting with TAA fit, in such a big game and with Klopp knowing he would be facing a veteran player in Sterling. Klopp trusted him enough on the back of giving him 4 consecutive starts in TAA’s absence, when he could have opted to play an extra CB at RB or even play a midfielder at RB. 

Murdyk IMO should have started IMO. His presence and unpredictability would have kept Bradley on his toes. With Sterling you just know he is going to run with the ball into people looking to get a foul. 

Just now, ducavis said:

Does the manager trust him though? You can be giving a player mins but for a young player a manager’s confidence & trust goes a long way in their development. 

Conor Bradley that ripped Sterling apart today should not have been starting with TAA fit, in such a big game and with Klopp knowing he would be facing a veteran player in Sterling. Klopp trusted him enough on the back of giving him 4 consecutive starts in TAA’s absence, when he could have opted to play an extra CB at RB or even play a midfielder at RB. 

Murdyk IMO should have started IMO. His presence and unpredictability would have kept Bradley on his toes. With Sterling you just know he is going to run with the ball into people looking to get a foul. 

Mudryk problem is not about being young or confidence or skill. He is already very skillful. Mudryk problem is that he doesn't understand how to play team football. 

This is also not coaching issue, he is not 15. I can't recall anybody like mudryk ever. 

 

 

 

He should be one of those internet people who makes videos of himself doing keepy-uppies for a living. Increasingly convinced that he has no place in professional football.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

He has been given more time than any player. 

If he does not cost us 100m not 23, poch would have sent him to train with u-12/u-15 after our game vs boro

 

Can everyone please stop almost doubling his transfer fee, the information is readily available online. He cost 62m.

He's still sh*te though.

I wouldn't sell him, there's enough there to work with and under the right coaching he could be a top winger. Loan him out next season, he needs to be playing full 38 games a season.

Been here a year now and i have seen little improvement. There was a moment yesterday second half Sterling had the ball on the counter Nkunku was making a road Mudryk was all alone out wide and Mudryk decided to run inside the pitch where Nkunku was and crowded that area out.

Blame that on Poch too,.

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Mudryk problem is not about being young or confidence or skill. He is already very skillful. Mudryk problem is that he doesn't understand how to play team football. 

This is also not coaching issue, he is not 15. I can't recall anybody like mudryk ever. 

 

 

 

 

What about Mudryk?

I see Poch has been talking about Mudryk and the need to “play for the team”.

Not seen the full quote, only what was reported on weaintgotnohistory, but it does piss me off. 

It is not like he has been afforded any regular run or time to show what he can do for the team. 20 mins here, 45mins there is not enough, particularly in a team that overall has fluctuated between dysfunctional (at best) and outright turd. 

Poch can’t get the team playing himself - so perhaps easier for him to accuse/blame the young lad of not helping or playing for the team.

If the team was clicking and performing, but Mudryk  was refusing to play in a way that was best for the unit, then I might be more sympathetic. But we are not, and he is not. A dick move by Poch 
 

 

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Or how about Poch is frustrated that after six months of telling the player the same instructions, he is still making the same mistakes. His miss against Liverpool will live long in my memory - Poch isn't to blame for players failing to take responsibility. 

 

25 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Or how about Poch is frustrated that after six months of telling the player the same instructions, he is still making the same mistakes. His miss against Liverpool will live long in my memory - Poch isn't to blame for players failing to take responsibility. 

 

And yet he continues to pick other more established players, who all continue not to deliver

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

I see Poch has been talking about Mudryk and the need to “play for the team”.

Not seen the full quote, only what was reported on weaintgotnohistory, but it does piss me off. 

It is not like he has been afforded any regular run or time to show what he can do for the team. 20 mins here, 45mins there is not enough, particularly in a team that overall has fluctuated between dysfunctional (at best) and outright turd. 

Poch can’t get the team playing himself - so perhaps easier for him to accuse/blame the young lad of not helping or playing for the team.

If the team was clicking and performing, but Mudryk  was refusing to play in a way that was best for the unit, then I might be more sympathetic. But we are not, and he is not. A dick move by Poch 
 

 

Remember when you were giving everyone a hard time for not getting behind Potter? Calling them all children with no patience. What happened? All you do now is slag Pochettino off 🙄

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Or how about Poch is frustrated that after six months of telling the player the same instructions, he is still making the same mistakes. His miss against Liverpool will live long in my memory - Poch isn't to blame for players failing to take responsibility. 

 

That's literally his job fof f**ks sake, it's to manage/coach the players to make them better. 

29 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Remember when you were giving everyone a hard time for not getting behind Potter? Calling them all children with no patience. What happened? All you do now is slag Pochettino off 🙄

Show me any post where I have ever called for Poch to be sacked? Quite the contrary, I have long been saying this will be a painful and long journey and that we need patience.

That is a different thing and entirely seperate issue from me calling out Poch for passing blame onto a player that has hardly been tested. It smacks of deflection and desperation.

For clarification:

1) I have not called for him to be sacked

2) I still think that we need to stick with him and that the rebuild should be judged on years down the line, not months

3) I also entirely stand by my position that Poch looking to deflect blame onto a player that has hardly had a run of games for us, during a time when the entire team is struggling, is a dick move.

Not everything is binary Victor - so no need to be so quick to try and earn a cheap point, by pointing out something that doesnt exist.

1 minute ago, dkw said:

That's literally his job fof f**ks sake, it's to manage/coach the players to make them better. 

So a player can't just be sh*te? All the best managers in football have had players who didn't make it, it's not all on the manager.

Mudryk put in two of the worst games against Middlesbrough and people are baffled he's not getting a good run of games? 

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Show me any post where I have ever called for Poch to be sacked? Quite the contrary, I have long been saying this will be a painful and long journey and that we need patience.

That is a different thing and entirely seperate issue from me calling out Poch for passing blame onto a player that has hardly been tested. It smacks of deflection and desperation.

For clarification:

1) I have not called for him to be sacked

2) I still think that we need to stick with him and that the rebuild should be judged on years down the line, not months

3) I also entirely stand by my position that Poch looking to deflect blame onto a player that has hardly had a run of games for us, during a time when the entire team is struggling, is a dick move.

Not everything is binary Victor - so no need to be so quick to try and earn a cheap point, by pointing out something that doesnt exist.

There's a big difference here though, you were extremely combative towards people who were critical of Potter. I can't remember you ever dishing out criticism for Potter, but had loads to say about Tuchel, and now Pochettino.

Let's just call a spade a spade here. 

If a manager is as clueless as you're saying, there's no reason to give him time, it's illogical. 

5 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

So a player can't just be sh*te? All the best managers in football have had players who didn't make it, it's not all on the manager.

Mudryk put in two of the worst games against Middlesbrough and people are baffled he's not getting a good run of games? 

Then stop picking him, until you feel he's got it.

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Or how about Poch is frustrated that after six months of telling the player the same instructions, he is still making the same mistakes. His miss against Liverpool will live long in my memory - Poch isn't to blame for players failing to take responsibility. 

 

That miss is not a problem, that is normal stuff. 

The way he play football is far more concerning. He is more of a signing for the academy than a first team. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

Then stop picking him, until you feel he's got it.

There is 100m  reasons why poch picked him 😁😁😁

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

There is 100m  reasons why poch picked him 😁😁😁

Then he's a coward.

14 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Show me any post where I have ever called for Poch to be sacked? Quite the contrary, I have long been saying this will be a painful and long journey and that we need patience.

That is a different thing and entirely seperate issue from me calling out Poch for passing blame onto a player that has hardly been tested. It smacks of deflection and desperation.

For clarification:

1) I have not called for him to be sacked

2) I still think that we need to stick with him and that the rebuild should be judged on years down the line, not months

3) I also entirely stand by my position that Poch looking to deflect blame onto a player that has hardly had a run of games for us, during a time when the entire team is struggling, is a dick move.

Not everything is binary Victor - so no need to be so quick to try and earn a cheap point, by pointing out something that doesnt exist.

I am really tired listening to this nonsense of poch not playing mudryk. If Mudryk doesn't cost us 60/100m, there is 0 chance he is here, let alone getting minutes. 

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Then he's a coward.

More like he is an employee of Chelsea

 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

More like he is an employee of Chelsea

 

So a "yes" man, that's worse. 

3 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

There's a big difference here though, you were extremely combative towards people who were critical of Potter. I can't remember you ever dishing out criticism for Potter, but had loads to say about Tuchel, and now Pochettino.

Let's just call a spade a spade here. 

If a manager is as clueless as you're saying, there's no reason to give him time, it's illogical. 

You can call a spade whatever you like - it doesn't change the fact that you are drawing incorrect conclusions and either purposefully twisting the truth, or simply misremembering.

I was very critical of Potter - I called him out on numerous occasions for the mistakes he made, and I was very clear that I was not convinced Potter was the answer. That said,   due to the unprecedented circumstances we were (are) going through, I think he deserved more time. In fact, I held the same line then as I do now for Poch, specifically, that this needs a long term rebuild, and that will take time.

Tuchel had a long period of time, with established players to get us playing better. He didn't succeed and we were regressing in our performances, and he rightly (in my opinion) lost his job.

Potter had a short period, with an entire new team to get us playing better. Despite some small signs of progress, he wasn't given the time to prove if he could succeed and he wrongly (in my opinion) lost his job.

Poch so far had had a short period, also with an entire new team to get us playing better. He is not yet succeeding, but I continue to think we need to be patient with him and see how it goes.

However....

My position on the sacking of any given manager, does not change the fact that our manager, whoever that should be, should not be calling out individual players in the media - and certainly not doing so, when the foundations of their own performance, and that of the rest of the team, is so shaky.

 

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

I am really tired listening to this nonsense of poch not playing mudryk. If Mudryk doesn't cost us 60/100m, there is 0 chance he is here, let alone getting minutes. 

Then dont pick him - but also dont call him out in the media. People in glass houses and all that....

9 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Then dont pick him - but also dont call him out in the media. People in glass houses and all that....

So what should he say? 

Do you want Poch to be honest and say  "why do I need to train mudryk? He doesn't belong here. He is not Chelsea level player maybe not even PL player. The fact that a Chelsea first team coach has to train this type of player is mental. But I understand he cost our team 100m,so I should play him otherwise my office phone will ring non stop"

Imo Poch has been very good with Mudyrk. His game has clearly improved but it is stil way off.

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