2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

So what should he say? 

Do you want Poch to be honest and say  "why do I need to train mudryk? He doesn't belong here. He is not Chelsea level player maybe not even PL player. The fact that a Chelsea first team coach has to train this type of player is mental. But I understand he cost our team 100m,so I should play him otherwise my office phone will ring non stop"

Imo Poch has been very good with Mudyrk. His game has clearly improved but it is stil way off.

Does not need to say anything - and it was no more needed than calling out everyone else who has been sh*t. If Poch had the team playing well, and Mudryk was stinking the place up, then maybe then he would have a point. But as things stand, everyone has been sh*t. So calling out 1 player stinks of desperation to find an excuse (rather than find a solution)

Mudryk need to go on loan but it will be difficult to find a partner because you want him to go to a place where he will play a lot otherwise why bother. 

PL team won't take him. Bundesliga is imo the perfect spot. Thir top team won't take him. A mid table team will probably his best spot however you need to negotiate his salary and his fee because they won't pay his salary and big loan fee. 

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Does not need to say anything - and it was no more needed than calling out everyone else who has been sh*t. If Poch had the team playing well, and Mudryk was stinking the place up, then maybe then he would have a point. But as things stand, everyone has been sh*t. So calling out 1 player stinks of desperation to find an excuse (rather than find a solution)

He is being asked about Mudryk and he gives an answer. 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

He is being asked about Mudryk and he gives an answer. 

oh come on..... I am asked by my wife what I did last night, but I dont feel the need to answer....They are trained in media, and can easily say something that doesnt smack of desperation and throwing him under a bus.

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

Mudryk need to go on loan but it will be difficult to find a partner because you want him to go to a place where he will play a lot otherwise why bother.

There’s surely some Sunday league outfits that would use him when their usual winger is too hung over to play. But he might struggle with the physicality of the Stockport metropolitan Sunday league third division. And his wages would be a similar challenge.

1 minute ago, Snedger said:

There’s surely some Sunday league outfits that would use him when their usual winger is too hung over to play. But he might struggle with the physicality of the Stockport metropolitan Sunday league third division. And his wages would be a similar challenge.

He can come play 6's for us next week, can replace "sneaky tom" who can't play as his wife found out he has been playing the last few months after going out wearing jeans and a jumper so she didn't suss him 😅

I personally like manager who play kids. I think poch should be braver and incorporate more of academy player but Mudyrk case is very different. When he play, it can be like watching an amateur play football, it is baffling. 

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 20242 yr by Bob stark

1 hour ago, dkw said:

That's literally his job fof f**ks sake, it's to manage/coach the players to make them better. 

Do players not have to take responsibility in any of this? What if the players we've signed just aren't up to the job? That's what Im starting to believe. 

7 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Do players not have to take responsibility in any of this? What if the players we've signed just aren't up to the job? That's what Im starting to believe. 

They do, but at the same time, why hasn't a single coach set up the team to get the best out of him? Mudryk certainly doesn't look he's going to work out with us, I've been saying it for a while now, but at the same time, how many times have we said this about Chelsea players in recent times? Why are our managers refusing to switch styles at this club? Remember when he first arrived and played that really good game against Liverpool? It's like everything he was doing in that game has been coached out of him. Our football is like the death of entertainment, because every player that joins us quickly losses it.

Every game I watch him play he receives the ball with his back to goal and is expected to beat 3 players with dribbling and start from standing position. Since when did we sign another Eden Hazard? Mudryk can't do this. I saw his highlights at Donetsk, everything good about his game was played with tempo. He's one of the quickest players in the world and we never see it. We play at snails pace in every game, trying to play this precise, risk free football and almost none of our players are good at it. A coach is supposed to use the strengths of the players and build a system around them. Pochettino is still playing the exact same style of football that has held this club back since the Sarri years.

Mudryk is actually very similar in style to Anthony Gordan, but the differences to how they are asked to play is like night and day. Newcastle aren't isolating Gordan in 1v3 situations, they aren't playing slow, they are hitting it into space early and basically just asking him to sprint. We are the opposite. We take an age to get it out of defence. CB play to midfield, they play it back to CB, forward players starting dropping deeper, ball is played back into midfield, then out to left or right, with the wingers facing away from goal. Ball goes back to midfield, ball goes back to CB........it just goes on and on like this every single game.

Mudryk, Madueke, Chuckwuemeka, Jackson, Enzo, Caicedo, Chilwell, Gusto, Nkunku, I don't see how this type of football suits any of these players. They all want to play with pace and tempo. Quick passes into midfield, and then quickly on to the wingers with overlapping fullbacks. I bet we can find highlights videos of all of these players looking better at their former clubs. Even Gallagher who you know I don't rate would be better in this kind of system because he's the only one playing with tempo. If the whole squad was playing at this tempo, he wouldn't look so out of place. Maybe this is why he always looks so clumsy on the ball and gets in everybody's way, because everything around him is happening in slow motion to the point where they are barely moving and he is playing at full tempo. 

Every single team in the top 9 apart from United has transformed how their team plays with their current manager, but here we are doing the exact same crap we have been doing under 5 different managers. The only time we moved away from it was when Tuchel arrived and had that purple patch between the Champions League winning run and the season after before we were hit with injuries. 

Just seen this. Obviously an old leak but MM just doesn't have the IQ

Put aside Mudryk's response, anyone else think messaging footballers stuff like that is weird?

Insane! Is it true and not photoshopped? It's even more crazy to reply to him!

 

35 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Insane! Is it true and not photoshopped? 

 

Can we ask Astrid Wett to confirm?

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Put aside Mudryk's response, anyone else think messaging footballers stuff like that is weird?

Yes, very weird. 

12 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Yes, very weird. 

Is just how entitled people in general have become. 

Next up they will be showing up at his home with their mates.

12 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Do players not have to take responsibility in any of this? What if the players we've signed just aren't up to the job? That's what Im starting to believe. 

Managers still do in-game coaching especially for the younger forward players.  Pep was still coaching Sterling during games till he turned 25. He would pull him aside when the ball is out of play/ an injury break and tell him what positions to take, what kind of runs to be making. You still see him doing this will Doku, Oscar Bobb and Foden. Arteta is another one that actively coaches players during games.

Most of the flaws in Murdyk’s game can be worked on and improved on. You can’t improve young players by playing the slow methodical way Poch has us playing, quick transitions with players playing instinctively will show remarkable improvement in a lot of them.

1 minute ago, ducavis said:

Managers still do in-game coaching especially for the younger forward players.  Pep was still coaching Sterling during games till he turned 25. He would pull him aside when the ball is out of play/ an injury break and tell him what positions to take, what kind of runs to be making. You still see him doing this will Doku, Oscar Bobb and Foden. Arteta is another one that actively coaches players during games.

Most of the flaws in Murdyk’s game can be worked on and improved on. You can’t improve young players by playing the slow methodical way Poch has us playing, quick transitions with players playing instinctively will show remarkable improvement in a lot of them.

😂😂😂

Guardiola won't bother coaching mudryk. 

 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂

Guardiola won't bother coaching mudryk. 

 

Why not? If he had him he would give him a chance. If there is no improvement he would bin him.

Simplistic form is Granacho at Utd; you stick him in our low risk style of football and he will be awful. In Utd’s quick transition football he looks amazing.

11 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

They do, but at the same time, why hasn't a single coach set up the team to get the best out of him? Mudryk certainly doesn't look he's going to work out with us, I've been saying it for a while now, but at the same time, how many times have we said this about Chelsea players in recent times? Why are our managers refusing to switch styles at this club? Remember when he first arrived and played that really good game against Liverpool? It's like everything he was doing in that game has been coached out of him. Our football is like the death of entertainment, because every player that joins us quickly losses it.

Every game I watch him play he receives the ball with his back to goal and is expected to beat 3 players with dribbling and start from standing position. Since when did we sign another Eden Hazard? Mudryk can't do this. I saw his highlights at Donetsk, everything good about his game was played with tempo. He's one of the quickest players in the world and we never see it. We play at snails pace in every game, trying to play this precise, risk free football and almost none of our players are good at it. A coach is supposed to use the strengths of the players and build a system around them. Pochettino is still playing the exact same style of football that has held this club back since the Sarri years.

Mudryk is actually very similar in style to Anthony Gordan, but the differences to how they are asked to play is like night and day. Newcastle aren't isolating Gordan in 1v3 situations, they aren't playing slow, they are hitting it into space early and basically just asking him to sprint. We are the opposite. We take an age to get it out of defence. CB play to midfield, they play it back to CB, forward players starting dropping deeper, ball is played back into midfield, then out to left or right, with the wingers facing away from goal. Ball goes back to midfield, ball goes back to CB........it just goes on and on like this every single game.

Mudryk, Madueke, Chuckwuemeka, Jackson, Enzo, Caicedo, Chilwell, Gusto, Nkunku, I don't see how this type of football suits any of these players. They all want to play with pace and tempo. Quick passes into midfield, and then quickly on to the wingers with overlapping fullbacks. I bet we can find highlights videos of all of these players looking better at their former clubs. Even Gallagher who you know I don't rate would be better in this kind of system because he's the only one playing with tempo. If the whole squad was playing at this tempo, he wouldn't look so out of place. Maybe this is why he always looks so clumsy on the ball and gets in everybody's way, because everything around him is happening in slow motion to the point where they are barely moving and he is playing at full tempo. 

Every single team in the top 9 apart from United has transformed how their team plays with their current manager, but here we are doing the exact same crap we have been doing under 5 different managers. The only time we moved away from it was when Tuchel arrived and had that purple patch between the Champions League winning run and the season after before we were hit with injuries. 

You're a f**K sarri ball fan aren't you. 😉 

The 9 teams you suggest mate bar Liverpool and city play that tippy tappy football you detest. the two mentioned have the ability to play slow and fast, but if you cant play slow you cant play fast. City and Liverpools squads are fitter than ours. that's on Poch. But my point is the game has moved away from the conte/ Tuchel style of play. pep guardiola has set new standards. 

It took 3 years for Arsenal to become an outside contender. Would you want Arteta as manager for us? 

Liverpool, for all the money and Jurgen can't keep up with city. one title and has relied on our reject Salah for years. Liverpool will fold next season like we have. Should we go for clop who has said he's exhausted? Would you like to see Liverpools football at the bridge? 

Aston Villa only have plan A and no plan B, they play pressing football, I doubt you'd want Emre as manager at Chelsea. 

Brighton cannot defend under Dezerbi and are three points off us. 

Manchester United have been waiting for Martinez to return from injury and look to have turned a corner on the weekend. Funny what happens when you have a fully fit squad... 

Eddie Howe is into his second season as Newcastle manager, over-performed last season - underperforming this season, has had injuries as bad as us and are 2 points ahead of us. Would you want Eddie to replace Poch?

Only Spurs are much changed. they'll struggle for top four. We chose Poch over Ange and I guarantee Chelsea fans would be fuming over the kamikaze style football he plays and would bemoan the defenders. 

Some have called for Dyche to manage us, I cant even entertain this as a thought because it's looking ridiculous to read on here. Anyonewants dacha, I'll say lets get allerdyce, even without a 10 point deduction we'd be above his side. 

 

YOU CANT DO A LONG TERM BUILD AND HAVE SHORT TERM EXPECTATIONS... So who would you want to take over from Poch? Only manager I would be interested in is Luton Town's Rob Edwards. Seems like a guinely knowledgable football manager. However, probably not a name so fans would get on his back as being clueless after 5 games. 

So let me just reiterate my point, YOU CANT DO A LONG TERM BUILD AND HAVE SHORT TERM EXPECTATIONS

The start of the season, just six months ago, Poch was wanted, most were happy he was appointed and most were giving him a couple of seasons in line with his contract. Now it's time to turn on him. 

What's it to be? Short term solutions to get this team playing well and a new manager every six months, or do Chelsea fans now have to be patient like we were pre Roman days and just enjoy the games and clubs individually and on merit? 

It is frustrating to watch this guy at times, but I suspect he'll come good. It's not him im really worried about, it's the defence. When we have all fully fit, im sure we'll push up the table, like united have. 

 

8 hours ago, ducavis said:

Managers still do in-game coaching especially for the younger forward players.  Pep was still coaching Sterling during games till he turned 25. He would pull him aside when the ball is out of play/ an injury break and tell him what positions to take, what kind of runs to be making. You still see him doing this will Doku, Oscar Bobb and Foden. Arteta is another one that actively coaches players during games.

Most of the flaws in Murdyk’s game can be worked on and improved on. You can’t improve young players by playing the slow methodical way Poch has us playing, quick transitions with players playing instinctively will show remarkable improvement in a lot of them.

This really should be at pochettino thread too. 

I was hoping Pochetino would do this kind of coaching, players such as Mudryk and other younger players need one to one coaching to show them exactly where they need to be, positioning etc. Guardiola shows his players how to even open up their body to collect a pass. You would think they know how to bloody collect a pass but he shows them how HE wants things to be done.

7 hours ago, ducavis said:

Why not? If he had him he would give him a chance. If there is no improvement he would bin him.

Simplistic form is Granacho at Utd; you stick him in our low risk style of football and he will be awful. In Utd’s quick transition football he looks amazing.

Garnacho has been one of the few United players that has consistently impressed, even when they have struggled the last couple of years. I don't think Mudryk can be compared as we have barely seen anything from him under multiple managers. I also haven't been overly impressed with Mudryk in his appearances for Ukraine. By comparison I have seen a lot of potential from Angelo Gabriel for example.

How about he's just 2-bob, not much talent for playing football other than running fast, he sums up the new ownership's wasteful transfer policy in a nutshell.

 

Mudryk is crap cause our management is! Remember in the USA tour and that early game with Liverpool, he was quality!

I think the same applies to most other players too that are off the boil! I've given Badiashile stick but he again was quality early on!

I think we should judge when we have a decent manager!

21 minutes ago, Modueke said:

Mudryk is crap cause our management is! Remember in the USA tour and that early game with Liverpool, he was quality!

I think the same applies to most other players too that are off the boil! I've given Badiashile stick but he again was quality early on!

I think we should judge when we have a decent manager!

When @Zetais in most of our problems will be solved  :)