8 minutes ago, dkw said:

No you didn't, you said this below, which is absolute bullsh*t, sure you spent time speaking to Burnley fans, righto.....utter nonsense.

 

I live in the Wisconsin (Sconnie) lmao I don't have the luxury of speaking to any Burnley fans.  😂

I was telling you to speak with actual Burnley fans if you wanted proof and their perspective, or to look at the thread I posted from a Burnley supporters forum. 

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

.  😂

I was telling you to speak with actual Burnley fans if you wanted proof 

No you weren't, just stop the bullsh*t ffs 

1 minute ago, dkw said:

No you weren't, just stop the bullsh*t ffs 

Literally the post I shared to you (which yet again you've ignored) explained speaking to Burnley fans directly or visiting their team forums if you wanted proof. 

Done engaging with this logic chopping. 

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No proof? Talk to any Burnley fan or to save you some hassle, go on any Burnley matchday forums and see what they say on Maatsen's defensive contributions when Burnley weren't whoring the ball in the opposition end. We are certainly not at that level, in the Prem of all leagues, where we can have that kind of luxury. 

 

 

Bugger. Finished my popcorn.

Dortmund 3 - 1 Bochum

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Dortmund 3 - 1 Bochum

 

 

Good for him 50m please 

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Dortmund 3 - 1 Bochum

 

 

This must be a typo, I've been reliably informed by this forum that Maatsen is incapable of making any tackle or putting in any type of defensive shift. 

I'm thinking some on here might find this recipe useful:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/humble_pie_39148

Academy talent who wasn't wanted at Burnley or Chelsea, finds home in Bundesliga. Good for him, hope it works out, didnt look likely to happen here at Chelsea, a shame. He may come back and walk into the side but I doubt it.

The Bundesliga is two steps off the Premiership so I expect any youngster with drive and ambition to do well there. Harry Kane is making Lewandowski look second rate with his scoring, Werner, Havertz, struggled to adapt from there as has Sancho who has gone back to an easier league to look like a world beater again. 

 

Good for him he found his league level  just like Timo, Harvertz and Sancho who struggled here. 
Get a good fee for him 

9 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Good for him he found his league level  just like Timo, Harvertz and Sancho who struggled here. 
Get a good fee for him 

Along with Abraham, Pulisic, RLC, Tomori and Pasalic in Italy

Even Morata found some form when he departed to kinder leagues as well

4 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Academy talent who wasn't wanted at Burnley or Chelsea, finds home in Bundesliga. Good for him, hope it works out, didnt look likely to happen here at Chelsea, a shame. He may come back and walk into the side but I doubt it.

The Bundesliga is two steps off the Premiership so I expect any youngster with drive and ambition to do well there. Harry Kane is making Lewandowski look second rate with his scoring, Werner, Havertz, struggled to adapt from there as has Sancho who has gone back to an easier league to look like a world beater again. 

 

It is. Sky Italia show a lot of BL. Speed, intensity and physicality are below the PL, a very long way below the further down the table you go. The likes of Kai Havertz had the time and space to ghost around and do lovely things. No such luxury in the PL. I've seen most of Maatsen's games, he's playing pretty much as he did with Burnley - mostly forward, defensive demands less than onerous - and having a ball.

Players like Haaland, Kevin De Bruyne, or Rüdiger rose to become global stars after making their mark in England.

6 hours ago, Werner said:

Players like Haaland, Kevin De Bruyne, or Rüdiger rose to become global stars after making their mark in England.

KDB and the Norwegian genetic experiment would have been monsters in any league. rudiger was already an international and playing for Roma for two seasons before us. But fair point

11 hours ago, Werner said:

Players like Haaland, Kevin De Bruyne, or Rüdiger rose to become global stars after making their mark in England.

Aubameyang, Son, Gundogan didn't do bad either.

5 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

KDB and the Norwegian genetic experiment would have been monsters in any league. rudiger was already an international and playing for Roma for two seasons before us. But fair point

Bundesliga is not a serious league. I watched a few games during covid and I can't believe what I saw. 

Teams visited bayern and played high line and high press. It was a joke. 

On 30/01/2024 at 04:29, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Aubameyang, Son, Gundogan didn't do bad either.

Hwang, Awoniyi, Konate and Akanji have made acceptable careers too. Believe one of them just starred in a treble winning side...

Never gave this guy a chance at a LB which is baffling.

Dortmund 0 - 0 Heidenheim

 

24 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Dortmund 0 - 0 Heidenheim

 

The heat map for Maatsen in that game. Still looks like he was pretty forward to me ! Certainly not much "heat" in the defensive third ... 

 

14 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

The heat map for Maatsen in that game. Still looks like he was pretty forward to me ! Certainly not much "heat" in the defensive third ... 

 

That's a pretty standard heatmap for a fullback in a team that would dominate possession? 

Colwill heatmap for comparison, similar spread.

The point is that the rating comments are trying to big him up defensively ... and yet the heat map suggests he was still going forward a lot, albeit less effectively than in the two previous games.

Whoscored gave him a team best 7.4 btw, and it does also say he managed 2 key passes, joint 2nd best on the team.

Good to see him making a strong start to his loan anyway. 

You have to give credit for Maatsen trying to make a go of it at Chelsea. He didn't bale out like Livramento or Lamptey. He stuck around to try and fight for a place in the team. It hasn't worked out for him so far, but who knows what might happen if he continues to do well on this loan. He did look a bit lost in the PL, so good that he now has a great opportunity to kick on in a less physical league.

He's not even as bad as zinchenko is defensively and yet Arsenal seem to manage just fine.

This guy would keep a fully fit chilly out the side would he? didnt want to be number two so has gone to Germany. good luck to him