So sign the new deal then?

12 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Is this going to be the thing going forward, just selling academy products for profit and overpaying for youth products around the globe? At some point very soon IMO the well would run dry. Hypothetically Gallagher, James & Broja are the only ones we can shift for big money next season.

 

Can’t blame him to be fair. We probably want him to sign one of those daft 8yr deals, and like with Hall the club can turn around next min and sell him.

This is the exact model. It is doomed to failure IMO ultimately as you have suggested as all of those coming up behind would have been purchased and would therefore have an FFP impact and those remaining academy lads won't have the opportunity to shine to have any saleability in the market anyway.

How does a lad like Kiano Dyer get to showcase himself through loans or first team cameos if we already have 5 south american 16 year old midfielders ready to come in when permits allow, already in the position. 

I get the mopdel and it partly makes sense, but there seems little if any sustainability with it.

29 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Why is he reluctant to go if he is stalling signing a new contract.

You either want to be Chelsea or you don't . Make up your mind son.

Money? Chances in the first team? Making sure we don't buy another player to block his path to the first team?

17 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So sign the new deal then?

Yeah I hope this is not him running down his deal to leave on a free. I imagine he would get frozen out for the year if he took that stance.

Looks like we're heading into the he's not " proper Chels" nonsense territory.

Anyway I always think we lose a bit of our identity when we shift on Academy players and instead take a gamble on young players from elsewhere 

The situation is interesting.

Reports all summer have correlated that Hall and Cucurella's future were dependent on Maatsen, yet since preseason Maatsen hasn't played LB once. I think these reports are wide off the mark. 

Seems to be a situation where Maatsen wants to stay but wants better terms/playing time. 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The situation is interesting.

Reports all summer have correlated that Hall and Cucurella's future were dependent on Maatsen, yet since preseason Maatsen hasn't played LB once. I think these reports are wide off the mark. 

Seems to be a situation where Maatsen wants to stay but wants better terms/playing time. 

Everyone was applauding Colwill for his sensible attitude in this regard. Maatsen, been around longer and has been very highly regarded for a number of years behind the scenes. Its similarly a sensible approach to take and one i feel that we should be actively engaging in, not looking at the dollar.

As i have said previously,and correct me if i am wrong, if he signs an improved deal and has a great season here. If the board then cash in say in June next year, isn't it all booked in the same accounting period anyway for FFP. I can't see why we are not all over this, especially with Chilly's injury record. If nothing else he has demonstrated a versatility that a number of other players don't have,

Man, this deadline day bollox does your head in

 

I mean, What The Actual..... Is this implying that the club are now trying to sell against the manager's wishes. How do these clowns know all this stuff anyway when Sky have people stood outside the club for 16 hours with fck all to report.  Aaargh.

The heffalump in the room is Maatsen declining to sign a new contract. The risk of him leaving on a free next year.

6 minutes ago, dermott said:

The heffalump in the room is Maatsen declining to sign a new contract. The risk of him leaving on a free next year.

Yup that is why we want to sell.

Can see he is way down Pochettino list as a left back, and as a wide player/attacking mid. He won't get good game time this season imo, not enough to see him sign a new deal, so we are panicking trying to avoid losing him for free.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/chelsea-accept-record-breaking-bid-from-burnley-stunning-switch-hinging-player

 

The reason he is out the door.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

The reason he is out the door.

Bollocks. If he's out the door it's because (a) Poch, having not once started him at LB, obviously doesn't fancy him as a LB; and (b) he's declining to sign a new contract.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

This is the exact model. It is doomed to failure IMO ultimately as you have suggested as all of those coming up behind would have been purchased and would therefore have an FFP impact and those remaining academy lads won't have the opportunity to shine to have any saleability in the market anyway.

How does a lad like Kiano Dyer get to showcase himself through loans or first team cameos if we already have 5 south american 16 year old midfielders ready to come in when permits allow, already in the position. 

I get the mopdel and it partly makes sense, but there seems little if any sustainability with it.

These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.

19 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.

Could also sell a star player to the Saudi league too.

Not saying I want us to do that, as I also don't want us selling Conor either. 

However you look at Pool having that option to sell Salah for 200mill, an FFP profit of over 160mill. He is their best player but if you think about it say Pochettino turns Sterling in to a world beater this year. 

For such a player the Saudis will cough up 120mill or more. Then boom, 90mill for FFP.

22 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.

Here's a potential 24 man squad that doesn't include Gallagher, Chalobah or Maatsen ... or any of the youth punts from South America come to that ... 

On paper it looks pretty well balanced - all square pegs in square holes.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Could also sell a star player to the Saudi league too.

Not saying I want us to do that, as I also don't want us selling Conor either. 

However you look at Pool having that option to sell Salah for 200mill, an FFP profit of over 160mill. He is their best player but if you think about it say Pochettino turns Sterling in to a world beater this year. 

For such a player the Saudis will cough up 120mill or more. Then boom, 90mill for FFP.

We're not having an open top bus parade for FFP now are we ?

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14 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Here's a potential 24 man squad that doesn't include Gallagher, Chalobah or Maatsen ... or any of the youth punts from South America come to that ... 

On paper it looks pretty well balanced - all square pegs in square holes.

Nkunku? Oops just seen him on the right, think he will be behind Jackson with Chukwuemeka as backup (though Pochettino played him on the left with Chukwuemeka in the hole). Palmer will then compete with Madueke on the RW.

Edited September 1, 20232 yr by ducavis

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So sign the new deal then?

Easy. Just offer him the deal he wants and then he signs it.

 

I just want one normal day at Chelsea one normal day!!!

Just now, El regreso said:

I just want one normal day at Chelsea one normal day!!!

Find another team to support. 😀 Everton look pretty stress-free at the moment.

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

These loan + obligation deals we've done for Hall & Maatsen more or less gives the business plan away. We are set up in such a way that selling many if not nearly all of our best academy talents is necessary to comply with FFP. Chalobah & Gallagher are both also very much on the market remember in addition to Hall & Maatsen and Mount and CHO who we have already sold.

It puts us in an awkward position though. You need to sell Lewis Hall for dirt cheap so we can comply with FFP for next season. Unless Maatsen puts his foot down he'll be another victim of that need and so on. And are the players we are purchasing from South America and other places better than the ones we are selling? Highly unlikely for me.

Exactly and my point is that next year it could be Colwill, Humphreys, Gilchrist, but what then for the year after. We'll be two years into the project and we will have to start farming our way through these kids that we have been paying 20m plus for. It's a shame cos even if the model works there is a good chance of a reduction in unity and connection with these kids.  Very few farm animals hang around before being shipped off to market

This is from the BBC live feed.

Burnley have agreed a deal with Chelsea to sign left-back Ian Maatsen - but he has not agreed personal terms.

1 minute ago, just said:

This is from the BBC live feed.

Burnley have agreed a deal with Chelsea to sign left-back Ian Maatsen - but he has not agreed personal terms.

For the player this is a bit uncomfortable. Club is ready to let him go for a reason and he doesn't want to leave. Hopefully he lands a deal with us. Great potential with this lad.