13 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

Why would you fly Mudryk back, he's been decent recently and his adapting to the league.

Broja, Jackson and Sterling were awful. 

You are joking me, he has a few runs, and that’s it, his end product is shocking, compared to say Willian who was slated, Mudryk has pace and a few moves……and that’s it

Poch is not the problem here and until knee jerk fans understand that then this club won’t move on. I remember fans who wanted Conte sacked then Sarri sacked, then Lampard sacked then Tuchel sacked Potter sacked, now Poch sacked. 
Some of these were needed some weren’t and now we in a mess because of this rip and replace that was done. I remember so many wanted half the squad gone in one go which even in football manager that doesn’t work so why would in work on the PL.

We should have kept some of the players and slowly moved them on while you integrate youth players but I think some fans would have blasted the board for that approach also.

If am a player I wouldn’t touch this club unless am looking for a big pay day same if am a manager.

Just now, El regreso said:

Poch is not the problem here and until knee jerk fans understand that then this club won’t move on. I remember fans who wanted Conte sacked then Sarri sacked, then Lampard sacked then Tuchel sacked Potter sacked, now Poch sacked. 
Some of these were needed some weren’t and now we in a mess because of this rip and replace that was done. I remember so many wanted half the squad gone in one go which even in football manager that doesn’t work so why would in work on the PL.

We should have kept some of the players and slowly moved them on while you integrate youth players but I think some fans would have blasted the board for that approach also.

If am a player I wouldn’t touch this club unless am looking for a big pay day same if am a manager.

What has Pochettino done to convince you? His game management was shocking today, leaving Gallagher on his own in midfield while on a booking and overcrowding the box with too many attackers.

We need to accept we made another mistake and cut him loose. He’s been here for 6 months, let that sink in.

I don’t care about the injuries he’s had enough time to implement his tactics and style onto the team and that’s what we get.

Get rid of him.

1 minute ago, dansubrosa said:

What has Pochettino done to convince you? His game management was shocking today, leaving Gallagher on his own in midfield while on a booking and overcrowding the box with too many attackers.

We need to accept we made another mistake and cut him loose. He’s been here for 6 months, let that sink in.

I don’t care about the injuries he’s had enough time to implement his tactics and style onto the team and that’s what we get.

Get rid of him.

And bring in who’s  exactly that will do better?

3 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Poch is not the problem here and until knee jerk fans understand that then this club won’t move on. I remember fans who wanted Conte sacked then Sarri sacked, then Lampard sacked then Tuchel sacked Potter sacked, now Poch sacked. 
Some of these were needed some weren’t and now we in a mess because of this rip and replace that was done. I remember so many wanted half the squad gone in one go which even in football manager that doesn’t work so why would in work on the PL.

We should have kept some of the players and slowly moved them on while you integrate youth players but I think some fans would have blasted the board for that approach also.

If am a player I wouldn’t touch this club unless am looking for a big pay day same if am a manager.

Utter rubbish, he trains and oversees this team, his setup, his tactics, and his MO all over this team, if he got Tin tacked, I’d say you ran out of luck sir….

Be careful what you wish for!!

1 minute ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Utter rubbish, he trains and oversees this team, his setup, his tactics, and his MO all over this team, if he got Tin tacked, I’d say you ran out of luck sir….

Who exactly would do better and actually touch this sh*t show?

1 minute ago, El regreso said:

Poch is not the problem here and until knee jerk fans understand that then this club won’t move on. I remember fans who wanted Conte sacked then Sarri sacked, then Lampard sacked then Tuchel sacked Potter sacked, now Poch sacked. 
Some of these were needed some weren’t and now we in a mess because of this rip and replace that was done. I remember so many wanted half the squad gone in one go which even in football manager that doesn’t work so why would in work on the PL.

We should have kept some of the players and slowly moved them on while you integrate youth players but I think some fans would have blasted the board for that approach also.

If am a player I wouldn’t touch this club unless am looking for a big pay day same if am a manager.

He's part of the problem. If he's not, then explain why he hasn't changed a single thing about our approach? He basically has a new team that are new to the club, there is no reason why we should be playing the same sh*t football with the same problems we were seeing under previous managers.

What has Pochettino actually done in his career that transformed a clubs identity? As much as people love to pretend that he was a massive success at Tottenham, he never really changed anything. He just continued from where previous coaches left off. 

He's not a good coach, never has been. He was serial bottle with Tottenham despite having the best Tottenham team in decades and couldn't even win the league title with PSG. Like, Potter, like Lampard (2nd time around) he should never have been hired.

The owners make one mistake after the other. 

7 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Poch is not the problem here and until knee jerk fans understand that then this club won’t move on. I remember fans who wanted Conte sacked then Sarri sacked, then Lampard sacked then Tuchel sacked Potter sacked, now Poch sacked. 
Some of these were needed some weren’t and now we in a mess because of this rip and replace that was done. I remember so many wanted half the squad gone in one go which even in football manager that doesn’t work so why would in work on the PL.

We should have kept some of the players and slowly moved them on while you integrate youth players but I think some fans would have blasted the board for that approach also.

If am a player I wouldn’t touch this club unless am looking for a big pay day same if am a manager.

Tuchel was doing a great job here given the squad, Poch isn't. 

 

We don't have the 10th best squad in the league. For example, there's only around 2 or 3 Brighton players that would start for us (Mitoma/Estup/Ferguson), yet they're 5 points ahead, despite having to juggle Europa League games.

 

Still don’t see who is replacement will be that will perform better with a squad that’s full of strangers. Sack him now and we ain’t getting anywhere near top four for at least 3 seasons 

8 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Tuchel was doing a great job here given the squad, Poch isn't. 

 

We don't have the 10th best squad in the league. For example, there's only around 2 or 3 Brighton players that would start for us (Mitoma/Estup/Ferguson), yet they're 5 points ahead, despite having to juggle Europa League games.

 

Brighton have been together for over a year these players 6 months tops fans really under appreciate the value to chemistry and knowing your team mates, it doesn’t happen overnight.

Just now, El regreso said:

Brighton have been together for over a year these players 6 months tops fans really under appreciate the value to chemistry and knowing your team mates, it doesn’t happen overnight.

Not to mention that Brighton as a club are now into Year 5 of "developing/learning their system" ... 

On the one hand I think Poch should be doing better on the other hand look at the squad they've given him. One of his senior players Sterling is more concerned with improving his goal tally than squaring to a teammate for a simple goal.

Majority of these players are just not good enough, expect another season just like last. Good job Chelsea owners for the second year in a row you made me fall out of love with the game and the club. 

I've backed Pochettino for as long as possible now it's time he backs us fans. He needs to go to war with the board and the sporting directors. Tell them they've failed the fans and the club. Now they must decide either they change their stupid flawed plan or they accept the current situation and let it continue. 

Still willing to give him a bit more time , preferably end of the season at least, but I’m feeling more and more that he is doomed 

7 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

He needs to go to war with the board and the sporting directors. Tell them they've failed the fans and the club. Now they must decide either they change their stupid flawed plan or they accept the current situation and let it continue. 

Because criticising the higher ups worked out really well for Tuchel LOL ... Poch signing his own P45 if he does this in my opinion ... he's in a tough spot as Clearlake will want a scapegoat at some point for sure (and it won't be them) 

17 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

On the one hand I think Poch should be doing better on the other hand look at the squad they've given him. One of his senior players Sterling is more concerned with improving his goal tally than squaring to a teammate for a simple goal.

Majority of these players are just not good enough, expect another season just like last. Good job Chelsea owners for the second year in a row you made me fall out of love with the game and the club. 

I've backed Pochettino for as long as possible now it's time he backs us fans. He needs to go to war with the board and the sporting directors. Tell them they've failed the fans and the club. Now they must decide either they change their stupid flawed plan or they accept the current situation and let it continue. 

Not sure venture capitalists like being told they did a sh*te job.

They will sack him and bring someone else in who will be in exactly the same position six months from now.

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Because criticising the higher ups worked out really well for Tuchel LOL ... Poch signing his own P45 if he does this in my opinion ... he's in a tough spot as Clearlake will want a scapegoat at some point for sure (and it won't be them) 

He has to mate, at some point in everyone's career they may be faced with a situation in which their employers are in the wrong. You simply put it to them politely. At the end of the day who's the footballing expert here Boehly and Co or Pochettino and his coaching staff?

If they can't take constructive criticism and feedback then we're even worse off than we think. 

As someone that did their masters dissertation on elite football teams specifically on why some teams experience more sporting success than others with a similar financial outlay I can say I have some knowledge in this area. 100% as mentioned in my previous posts it comes down to efficency. We are not efficent in our recruitment both in player and backroom acquisitions, or our sales. 

I can hazard a guess if I was to give £1bn to anyone on this forum they would build a better team/squad than this. In fact an 8 year old who's only experience is playing fifa or football manager would do a better job. Why? Because they will sign proven players. The past does not equal the future but it can be indicative.

Usually these proven players tend to give you a better chance at winning big as seen by Roman's approach.

You do not gamble your elite status on a bunch of under 23 year olds and expect to compete.

The worst part is forget the short to medium term if none of the players we gamble on actually reach their so called high ceiling potential we could face huge losses and potential bankruptcy from having too many players on the books who can't be shifted whilst we continue to see little sporting success. This of course is the very worst case scenario and there is a chance of course that their crazy gamble pays off and we threepeat the Prem and UCL in 3-5 years time. It's just unlikely as it stands.

As much as I have no faith in Pochettino anymore, I dont think we can sack him. Just got to hope we turns it around with a fitter squad and a couple of new additions. 

We have to let him see the season out, cant be having another end to season like last year with 11 games left and going through the motions,  and I dont see who else we can bring in mid season that will make a difference.

Pochettino is part of the problem, but I dont think sacking him now will be a solution.

4 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Not sure venture capitalists like being told they did a sh*te job.

They will sack him and bring someone else in who will be in exactly the same position six months from now.

I'm not so sure mate, they've already sacked 2 coaches in under a year. They are under pressure now, the fans will turn within the next 6 months I predict and I mean turn hard. It could get ugly. 

So the question becomes do you have the humility to accept your approach is wrong or do you continue to stick it out and have managerial casuality after casuality and the fans hate on you. Whilst maintaining the notion your idea (invest in young players and play them now) is the best method to succeed. 

The worst part is their plan wouldn't have been so bad if they had done it the way 2012 Chelsea did, we still bought older talent and experience to blend with the young players we bought for the team for the future but to be utilised in the present. Yet Boehly and Co went overboard and took the concept to the extreme by replacing the whole playing staff and continuing to buy in South America.

My biggest fear is we get a transfer ban and get stuck with what we've got. The irony wouldn't be lost on many.

59 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Poch is not the problem here and until knee jerk fans understand that then this club won’t move on. I remember fans who wanted Conte sacked then Sarri sacked, then Lampard sacked then Tuchel sacked Potter sacked, now Poch sacked. 
Some of these were needed some weren’t and now we in a mess because of this rip and replace that was done. I remember so many wanted half the squad gone in one go which even in football manager that doesn’t work so why would in work on the PL.

We should have kept some of the players and slowly moved them on while you integrate youth players but I think some fans would have blasted the board for that approach also.

If am a player I wouldn’t touch this club unless am looking for a big pay day same if am a manager.

Who would you have kept? You keep forgetting most of them had contracts running out in a year or 2, and majority of them were willing to walk on a free. Christensen & Rudiger walked for free when we didn’t cede to their demands, and Kante, Mount, Havertz & Kovacic were willing to do the same.

Getting rid of these players wasn’t the mistake, it was who they replaced them with. 

Why can’t this be a collective issue? 
 

Ownership has crippled us in terms of recruitment but Poch has shown he hasn’t adapted at all since he last managed in the premiership. 

2 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I'm not so sure mate, they've already sacked 2 coaches in under a year. They are under pressure now, the fans will turn within the next 6 months I predict and I mean turn hard. It could get ugly. 

So the question becomes do you have the humility to accept your approach is wrong or do you continue to stick it out and have managerial casuality after casuality and the fans hate on you. Whilst maintaining the notion your idea (invest in young players and play them now) is the best method to succeed. 

The worst part is their plan wouldn't have been so bad if they had done it the way 2012 Chelsea did, we still bought older talent and experience to blend with the young players we bought for the team for the future but to be utilised in the present. Yet Boehly and Co went overboard and took the concept to the extreme by replacing the whole playing staff and continuing to buy in South America.

My biggest fear is we get a transfer ban and get stuck with what we've got. The irony wouldn't be lost on many.

I fully agree with everything you say if you look back on my old post I said exactly the same thing. As someone who works in Tech for almost 20 years I have seen so many acquisitions and one thing they have in common is continuity to keep things ticking over and make sure the people who knows how that company that is being acquired works are still there for a minimum of 12 months. You don’t come in a rip everything out and hire new sales support and leadership team who have zero idea how this company works even though you are in the same industry, it’s a recipe for disaster.

Until they admit they made a mistake nothing will change. We will be mid table for another couple of years.

8 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Who would you have kept? You keep forgetting most of them had contracts running out in a year or 2, and majority of them were willing to walk on a free. Christensen & Rudiger walked for free when we didn’t cede to their demands, and Kante, Mount, Havertz & Kovacic were willing to do the same.

Getting rid of these players wasn’t the mistake, it was who they replaced them with. 

I would have kept them all for another year and slowly get rid simply because continuity was needed in such a big upheaval.

- Owners and recruitment made the mistake of packing the team just full of young players and leaving us with 0 leaders on the pitch. This HAS to change in January and in the summer.

- Poch has been tactically inept for months, he's putting players out there and hoping for individuals to do something. For example, Gary O'Neill has been at Wolves the same amount of time with much worse players, genuinely there's about 2 I would consider having at Chelsea, but he's got them working together tactically, I have no idea what Poch is trying to do with us and by the looks of it the players seem to feel the same way. I dont care about injuries or over reliance on young players, any top manager would have this team in a much better position and probably challenging for top 4.

- The players need to stop letting their heads drop when things aren't going our way. How many times this season have we started brightly, miss chances only for the players to lose confidence and end up losing. This all being said, the fact that Poch has done nothing to improve the mentality of the players shows he's not up to the job.

25 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

You do not gamble your elite status on a bunch of under 23 year olds and expect to compete.

The worst part is forget the short to medium term if none of the players we gamble on actually reach their so called high ceiling potential we could face huge losses and potential bankruptcy from having too many players on the books who can't be shifted whilst we continue to see little sporting success.

That's the folly of Boehly and co.

I just can't believe we spent a billion quid and have a team that is comfortably a bottom half premier league team. 

When they said TT wasn't on board with their plans he probably was pissed off with their moves and either said as much or decided to not be a part of the madness hence not getting on board. 

He should be egged everytime he is spotted in public and I'm not even a violent person by nature.