To me this stinks of a signing they are happy to make because he'll sign a long term deal for not a lot of wages. Another young striker with potential is not what we need.

Despite our troubles with Inter apparently Pochettino is "insistent" on Martinez as both his number 1 striker and target, with Jackson the number 2.

Apparently Broja could be used to lower Brightons fee on Moises. 

Would be very disappointed if we let Broja go.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

From what I can gather he looks better than both, especially Fofana who's hype seems to stem from a half (that wasn't even that good) against the worst team in the league.

Tbf Fofana has barely had a look in. Broja had a a great 6 /7 months at Southampton too. Not much difference to the period Jackson has just had now. 

I'm not against it, but hope we aren't hanging our hat on him either tbh

3 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Only by people who haven't had to watch him for 3 years, Chelsea fans are pretty much unanimous in the assessment that he's sh*te. At best I'd say he's a player that isn't suited to the prem, he also isn't a striker really.

He is wanted by Bayern and Madrid. That speaks volumes. Also Arteta seems to think he is suited the prem. 

He isnt a striker, but that is also half the problem as thats how we have used him. 

Barely had a chance to integrate him into a team off a striker. Lukaku, Mount, Havertz, was looking like the plan, before Lukaku got injured and spat his dummy out. 

Recruitment and squad planning have been awful for years, and the last 12 months, have been a terrible period where we ripped up a champions league league winning squad instead of building in it. 

Now we are signing a player that was a medical away from joining Bournemouth in January, played 10 games and scored 0 goals the season before, while at the same time allowing players like Havertz and Mount to leave. 

Players seem to be queuing up for the exits at the moment. Can only imagine how bad things must be around the team. Compare this to the reaction of the players in 2015/16, where players wanted to make it right the following season.

I'm going to be a bit cynical here and state, the one thing that worries me, is that in a few images, he looks a lot older than 21. I don't want to play the stereotypical association, but as we have seen with Moukoko recently, his age has been scrutinized and a lot or reports that he 4 years older than his reported age. I just fear that if the moves happens, someone will go digging and drag something up. It is a common thing in African countries for players to falsify ages. Senegal and Gambia, has been one of those included and he strikes me as a lot older than 21. Don't want to come across stereotypical but this is a common things which football authorities in Africa are trying to eradicate.

https://www.snl24.com/kickoff/worldnews/african-football/guirane-ndaw-confesses-age-cheating-claims-99-of-senegal-footballers-are-guilty-20200228

32 minutes ago, big blue said:

He is wanted by Bayern and Madrid. That speaks volumes. Also Arteta seems to think he is suited the prem. 

He isnt a striker, but that is also half the problem as thats how we have used him. 

Barely had a chance to integrate him into a team off a striker. Lukaku, Mount, Havertz, was looking like the plan, before Lukaku got injured and spat his dummy out. 

Recruitment and squad planning have been awful for years, and the last 12 months, have been a terrible period where we ripped up a champions league league winning squad instead of building in it. 

Now we are signing a player that was a medical away from joining Bournemouth in January, played 10 games and scored 0 goals the season before, while at the same time allowing players like Havertz and Mount to leave. 

Players seem to be queuing up for the exits at the moment. Can only imagine how bad things must be around the team. Compare this to the reaction of the players in 2015/16, where players wanted to make it right the following season.

Bayern and Madrid seem to still be going off potential but he's gotten worse every season, I'm sure you've watched as many games as I have to know that. I genuinely don't see what he does well, even if he isn't a striker, an attacking player that gets the chances he gets should have had at least 15 goals in the league last season. Not to mention his first touch, dribbling and passing is poor, i certainly won't be sad to see him go.

Also, I find the links to arsenal baffling given his best position is where Odegaard plays and I wouldn't be dropping him for Havertz so I can only assume he's going to be playing up top there as well.

For Jackson you can't seriously be judging him for not scoring a goal in la liga a season where he played 110 minutes at 20 years old?

Let them leave, nobody irreplaceable is heading for the exit. If James, Enzo or Silva were pushing for a move I'd be concerned but everyone else is surplus to requirements, the only players who we would like to keep (allegedly) would be Mount who wants stupid money despite not justifying it, Kante who has got stupid money that nobody in Europe will compete with, Kovacic and Havertz are the only ones that seem to be leaving for reasons of wanting a new challenge. No player leaving will be difficult to replace and most of them we already have replacements ready.

We are currently in a market where the most elite/proven forwards are going for £120m+. 

Real, Bayern, and Arsenal all need versatile forwards/strikers, so their situation is borderline desperate. It isn't that surprising they have an interest in Havertz as he's still fairly young and won't cost an arm or a leg compared to the elite/proven forwards. 

There's rumors that Havertz is going to be taking Xhaka's position, so LCM. So either Arteta is a god damn genius or more likely his tactical purple patch may be faltering. 

35 minutes ago, STATS said:

I'm going to be a bit cynical here and state, the one thing that worries me, is that in a few images, he looks a lot older than 21. I don't want to play the stereotypical association, but as we have seen with Moukoko recently, his age has been scrutinized and a lot or reports that he 4 years older than his reported age. I just fear that if the moves happens, someone will go digging and drag something up. It is a common thing in African countries for players to falsify ages. Senegal and Gambia, has been one of those included and he strikes me as a lot older than 21. Don't want to come across stereotypical but this is a common things which football authorities in Africa are trying to eradicate.

https://www.snl24.com/kickoff/worldnews/african-football/guirane-ndaw-confesses-age-cheating-claims-99-of-senegal-footballers-are-guilty-20200228

Not saying it's right but inadvertently that may actually benefit us given how young our squad is going to be.

5 hours ago, enigma said:

Dunno, but we have Nkunku coming in so do we need another striker? There's also nobody out there apart from Osihmen or Kane, and maybe Vlahovic. Apart from those I'm not sure where else we would turn. I imagine we may try for Toney in Jan, but there's just not a lot out there unless we spend another £90m+ and I'm not sure the board want to splurge that much again on someone who could turn out to be a dud, especially given strikers can be hit or miss. Also, the striker needs to suit Pochettino's system so no point targeting strikers who won't suit us. I quite like the shrewder business we are doing, instead of opting for the difficult and big money signings. 

I like the optimism hopefully it’s works out, but we can’t just rely on Nkunku to get all the goals we desperately need more goal scorers.  More than just a decent player don’t think a Batshuayi quality striker is enough.

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I do admire his profile. Reminds me a bit of Anelka where he can play as an attacking winger as well. 

At the price and age it isn't really a risk and hopefully Pochettino/the recruitment team see something in him. 

 

If he reminds you of the most versatile player to ever don on the number 39 shirt, imo that is enough reason for is to sign him... They don't make players like Le Sulk again... CF,SS,AM,LAM, RAM.. he was  comfortable in all the roles .. playing like he wasn't even  sweating... So effortless.  A curse on AVB for making him leave my club...

1 hour ago, d-one said:

If he reminds you of the most versatile player to ever don on the number 39 shirt, imo that is enough reason for is to sign him... They don't make players like Le Sulk again... CF,SS,AM,LAM, RAM.. he was  comfortable in all the roles .. playing like he wasn't even  sweating... So effortless.  A curse on AVB for making him leave my club...

He needs to come back and play one game at RWB. 

Nunkunku's main position isn't no 9, its supposed to be attacking midfielder, I guess the same as Felix.

Havertz's best position is basically as a 10 wide right

Lets just assume we do want to play with a proper No 9. I don't really think Broja has done enough to get the job, from what I saw he isn't the answer. I'd be happy to let him go to Brighton or somewhere.

Jackson is unproven in the PL and we all know that succeeding in continental europe is absolutely no guarantee of success in the PL, so its a gamble alright but how does this look?

Mudryk/sterling Jackson 

       Nkunku

Chukwumeka Enzo Caicedo (barella might be a good alternative)

Cucu Colwill/Badiashale Fofana James/Gusto

Ariza  

( I assume Chiller and James will be injured most of the time)

Edited June 17, 20231 yr by ozboy

Looking at youtube, that source of all knowledge, he seems to read the game well, make quick decisions and is a natural assist maker. His shooting didn't actually look all that good on what I saw. Hamstring issues apparently scuppered the Bournmouth transfer. Certainly hope our medical team has improved its ability to do a a good medical.

13 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Bayern and Madrid seem to still be going off potential but he's gotten worse every season, I'm sure you've watched as many games as I have to know that. I genuinely don't see what he does well, even if he isn't a striker, an attacking player that gets the chances he gets should have had at least 15 goals in the league last season. Not to mention his first touch, dribbling and passing is poor, i certainly won't be sad to see him go.

Also, I find the links to arsenal baffling given his best position is where Odegaard plays and I wouldn't be dropping him for Havertz so I can only assume he's going to be playing up top there as well.

For Jackson you can't seriously be judging him for not scoring a goal in la liga a season where he played 110 minutes at 20 years old?

Let them leave, nobody irreplaceable is heading for the exit. If James, Enzo or Silva were pushing for a move I'd be concerned but everyone else is surplus to requirements, the only players who we would like to keep (allegedly) would be Mount who wants stupid money despite not justifying it, Kante who has got stupid money that nobody in Europe will compete with, Kovacic and Havertz are the only ones that seem to be leaving for reasons of wanting a new challenge. No player leaving will be difficult to replace and most of them we already have replacements ready.

I am not not judging him off that, just pointing out how raw and inexperienced this kid is. 6 months of good form is not enough evidence to convince me he should be leading the line here. 

16 hours ago, DarkMata said:

I like the optimism hopefully it’s works out, but we can’t just rely on Nkunku to get all the goals we desperately need more goal scorers.  More than just a decent player don’t think a Batshuayi quality striker is enough.

The Bats man at Marseille was of a more known and higher quality than this Jackson fellow. 

 

No idea if Broja will leave, hope not. 

2 hours ago, BordeauxBlue said:

The Bats man at Marseille was of a more known and higher quality than this Jackson fellow. 

 

No idea if Broja will leave, hope not. 

 

Broja fit and ready is excellent news. He could be exactly what we need.

Jackson and Broja both inexperienced but both very promising, and even moreso under Pochettino. 

I'd be content with going into next season with just those two. 

8 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Jackson and Broja both inexperienced but both very promising, and even moreso under Pochettino. 

I'd be content with going into next season with just those two. 

Don't know much about this Jackson guy, but Broja is held back by how one footed he is. I don't just mean his passing or shooting either, every single part of his game he is trying to avoid using his weaker foot. I noticed it a lot before his injury. 

5 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Don't know much about this Jackson guy, but Broja is held back by how one footed he is. I don't just mean his passing or shooting either, every single part of his game he is trying to avoid using his weaker foot. I noticed it a lot before his injury. 

Just watched all his goals for Southampton (nine) and the one he got against Wolves for us, and every single one of them is a right foot shot LOL. His goal for Saints against Brighton sets up perfectly for a left foot strike but he still goes with the right foot.

I don’t really rate Broja but I hope I’m wrong. That said there have been some pretty good one footed players. 

Apparently arriving for his medical today.

Selling players is good but replacing them with the likes of Jackson i'm not sure about. Completely unproven and at £30 million that strikes me as a huge risk and uneccesary risk.

Agree. That said, the market for proven strikers is 100m

9 minutes ago, Adamrb said:

Agree. That said, the market for proven strikers is 100m

I still cannot believe that We spent 100 on that great big lump of Lard.

You know how all of those clubs manage to find one of those relatively unknown names that turns out to be brilliant and we question why we never find them first? can this guy be one of those players please? It would be really good to finally grab one of them.