7 minutes ago, dkw said:

Why did you even feel the need to bring his colour into it, the only reason is if you felt it was racist, there's literally no other reason. It was bullsh*t and unnecessary. 

let me try one last time to explain.

“Because referring to black people as animals has a negative connotations 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️”

“NEGATIVE CONNOTATION“

 

This is not new and I would be surprised if most people here don’t know this and if they didn’t now they do. 
 

I did not mention racism anywhere if I thought racism I would have SAID SO!!!

negative connotations doesn’t automatically = racism.

 

Cambridge Dictionary meaning of the word:

a feeling or idea that is suggested by a particular word although it need not be a partof the word's meaning, or something suggested by an object or situation:

Bla-bla-bla 

So what you are saying @El regreso If that he had posted that in response to Mudryk or Broja, all would have been ok?

Also he’s been sh*te criticism is welcome and needed but he’s still your own player he also needs support from the fans to show that we still support him and willing him on to do better.

I am sure he doesn’t get up and think “ Hmmm how can I miss 1v1 situations today”

There is a human being inside also suffeing as professional athletes he damm well wants to be that “guy” especially as an African rich talent or Africa players we have had so I am sure he’s just a gutted to me playing this sh*te.

Give criticism but support your players too. 

3 minutes ago, El regreso said:

let me try one last time to explain.

“Because referring to black people as animals has a negative connotations 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️”

 

Weren't you the first one to comment on that picture as if it's loaded with more complex meaning and made it as a bad connotation to begin with?

16 minutes ago, Modueke said:

So what you are saying @El regreso If that he had posted that in response to Mudryk or Broja, all would have been ok?

See my reply above, look back on my stance on any player getting booed by our fans or getting called names it hasn’t change and if there was a negative connotations with white players and donkeys I would have said the same thing. 
Once you a Chelsea player I support you I don’t like seeing our players get abused especially from our own fan base it’s not a good look.

Constructive criticism absolutely no problem with that. 
 

I was the same when Cucu got booed off.

 

I wasn’t around for Jorginho or Bakayoko but I would have been the exact same. 
 

Same with Mount too.

 

Edited December 28, 20232 yr by El regreso

Your talking absolute sh*te, there was no racial connotations or connections until you made it about his colour, you just desperately wanted to bring it into a conversation where it wasn't needed, that's a c**ts trick.

If it helps John Aldridge is a rat.

5 minutes ago, El regreso said:

See my reply above, look back on my stance on any player getting booed by our fans or getting called names it hasn’t change and if there was a negative connotations with white players and donkeys I would have said the same thing. 
Once you a Chelsea player I support you I don’t like seeing our players get abused especially from our own fan base it’s not a good look.

Constructive criticism absolutely no problem with that. 
 

I was the same when Cucu got booed off.

I get that but that's going back on what you said here referring to that it has a race undertone to it, when it really hasn't in the slightest! Someone has the right to call Jackson a Donkey, the same way someone has the right to call Mudryk a Donkey; the only group that should be offended by that are in fact Donkeys!

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Referring to black people as animals has negative connotations I don’t know how this is not understood. Call him crap call him useless call him whatever you want under the sun but posting a picture of a donkey when referring to a black player has negative connotations and your own freaking player too. Might as well posted a picture of a monkey in a Chelsea kit.

Photoshop Tim’s on his feet which is far more hilarious and funny .

This applies to Lukaku also when he was being called donkey.

 

15 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Also he’s been sh*te criticism is welcome and needed but he’s still your own player he also needs support from the fans to show that we still support him and willing him on to do better.

I am sure he doesn’t get up and think “ Hmmm how can I miss 1v1 situations today”

There is a human being inside also suffeing as professional athletes he damm well wants to be that “guy” especially as an African rich talent or Africa players we have had so I am sure he’s just a gutted to me playing this sh*te.

Give criticism but support your players too. 

Do you genuinely think that the millionaire footballer Nicolas Jackson is sat indoors on a Chelsea fans forum reading what a group of armchair fans think of his recent performances. Seriously?

What i still can't work out is why you, and apparently only you, are referencing his colour as any part of the post made.

Personally, i wouldn't call him a donkey, because to me the implication of the refeence of a donkey is that he is slow and cumbersome, in the way that Tony Adams was called Donkey Adams, which doesn't appear to be the case with Jackson. However it is undeniable that he has been cr@p thus far and may well be out of his depth at this level

2 minutes ago, Modueke said:

I get that but that's going back on what you said here referring to that it has a race undertone to it, when it really hasn't in the slightest! Someone has the right to call Jackson a Donkey, the same way someone has the right to call Mudryk a Donkey; the only group that should be offended by that are in fact Donkeys!

 

That’s not going back on anything I never mentioned race. I said it has a negative connotation and explained why several times. This is not even controversial this is basic information.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Do you genuinely think that the millionaire footballer Nicolas Jackson is sat indoors on a Chelsea fans forum reading what a group of armchair fans think of his recent performances. Seriously?

What i still can't work out is why you, and apparently only you, are referencing his colour as any part of the post made.

Personally, i wouldn't call him a donkey, because to me the implication of the refeence of a donkey is that he is slow and cumbersome, in the way that Tony Adams was called Donkey Adams, which doesn't appear to be the case with Jackson. However it is undeniable that he has been cr@p thus far and may well be out of his depth at this level

I know he doesn’t see this forum but he damm well sees instagram/ twitter that am sure of which is why Mount quit twitter because of the abuse he was getting.

I am sure that picture would pop up on Instagram or my guess twitter(it’s a cesspool). So he will definitely see what’s being said about him, whether it affects it that’s a different issue altogether. 
You can see player behaviour especially on instagram win everyone post lose only one or two post so they absolutely seem what’s being said. 

2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

That’s not going back on anything I never mentioned race. I said it has a negative connotation and explained why several times. This is not even controversial this is basic information.

Then why mention 'Black' or 'African' in any of it then? If you are not happy that a fan is jabbing at one of our own generally, then even mentioning the colour of skin he happens to have makes no sense. Believe me, like the previous 17 years, if someone was being racist around here, it'd be dealt with.

Let's get back on topic now!

2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I know he doesn’t see this forum but he damm well sees instagram/ twitter that am sure of which is why Mount quit twitter because of the abuse he was getting.

I am sure that picture would pop up on Instagram or my guess twitter(it’s a cesspool). So he will definitely see what’s being said about him, whether it affects it that’s a different issue altogether. 
You can see player behaviour especially on instagram win everyone post lose only one or two post so they absolutely seem what’s being said. 

This i don't disagree with and i also made the point regarding whether you felt that Zeta's post was in poor taste or not. Most of us on here would have taken it on a more lighthearted basis.

All of what you have put here makes sense but none of this carries the implied link you made to colour, which Zeta made no refernce or link to at all.  

9 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I know he doesn’t see this forum but he damm well sees instagram/ twitter that am sure of which is why Mount quit twitter because of the abuse he was getting.

I am sure that picture would pop up on Instagram or my guess twitter(it’s a cesspool). So he will definitely see what’s being said about him, whether it affects it that’s a different issue altogether. 
You can see player behaviour especially on instagram win everyone post lose only one or two post so they absolutely seem what’s being said. 

If it was on "Only Fans" he would definitely see it.

14 minutes ago, just said:

If it was on "Only Fans" he would definitely see it.

🤣🤣🤣

19 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

This i don't disagree with and i also made the point regarding whether you felt that Zeta's post was in poor taste or not. Most of us on here would have taken it on a more lighthearted basis.

All of what you have put here makes sense but none of this carries the implied link you made to colour, which Zeta made no refernce or link to at all.  

Last post on this, I didn’t implied anything I said exactly what I said and was thinking no ifs or buts. 

1 hour ago, Modueke said:

the only group that should be offended by that are in fact Donkeys!

As a great band once sang; ‘Donkeys are pricks’. 

Ironically just came across this.

 

 

He’s still a donkey at the end of the day 😂😂😂  Same as Tony Adam’s was 

Graham Taylor was a turnip 

2 hours ago, loz said:

If it helps John Aldridge is a rat.

Blatant rodentism.  Comparing them to scousers.

Im a defender of Jackson. Bar scoring a goal I thought he looked ok last night. Yes, there was that big miss, but he also minutes late stuck the ball in the net but was offside and thought the ruling was questionable as it did come off a defender. Either way that goal mattered to him and showed me he at least cares. 

Lets face it, Nkunku through on goal in the first half has a kick at air and misses the ball. I just hope the cfc striker curse isn't getting at him already!!! 

Jackson will come good. Fingers crossed for us but he certainly looked more of a handful last night, more like the guy who played the first few games. 

a little more composure, a little more directness for the goal, they'll come, same for broja, this team needs time, minimum the rest of the season, players need to keep playing. but think a team ethic is starting to show.

Granted - It's a hard watch at times as are the misses every player makes recently, but it's coming. It was a big result against a London rival. Not sure cartoon memes are the way forward imo doesn't look or sound great. 

difficult times and the fans and players actually need to support each other. Direct any anger at the directors, the players wanted to sign and play for us, lets at least try and give them the support even when they have indifferent performances. 

 

9 hours ago, Gol15 said:

He's raw as Mudryk so let's all just calm down now and give the younglings a chance.

All for giving young players a chance but all you’re saying to me here is that Todd is going to execute order 66 and bring back Jose. 

There’s been far worse than him this season but with the amount of shocking misses he’s had, he’s always going to be a lightening rod for criticism. 
 

The bar for strikers at the club since Costa has left has been incredibly low but thus far id say he’s been better than a good few of them. 

The way he can take the ball on the turn and accelerate away from the defence is enough for me to give him a chance. His confidence is low but he’s still showing up and not hiding. The ability is definitely there  but if we bring in a striker he’ll be coming off the bench. Could suit him long term as he’s too raw just now.

Even if he plays and repeats his stats for the rest of the season (when many think he’s gash), he’ll score 16 goals. Whilst nothing spectacular there are better rated number 9’s we’ve had that struggled to get those numbers.

Worth persevering with imo.

Edited December 29, 20232 yr by 19seventyone