9 hours ago, El regreso said:

 

This applies to Lukaku also when he was being called donkey.

This is the only bit of your post that was relevant. Yes - it DOES refer to Lukaku who is also a donkey.

Race has nothing to do with it.

14 hours ago, El regreso said:

let me try one last time to explain.

“Because referring to black people as animals has a negative connotations 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️”

“NEGATIVE CONNOTATION“

 

This is not new and I would be surprised if most people here don’t know this and if they didn’t now they do. 
 

I did not mention racism anywhere if I thought racism I would have SAID SO!!!

negative connotations doesn’t automatically = racism.

 

Cambridge Dictionary meaning of the word:

a feeling or idea that is suggested by a particular word although it need not be a partof the word's meaning, or something suggested by an object or situation:

referring to anyone as a donkey has a negative connotation.......in this context it means they are a sh*t football player. 

To those 0.01% of the people in world who have been offended (i.e maybe they identify as a donkey or simply scream racism at anything) - then i have some advice. Get over it. 

6 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Blatant rodentism.  Comparing them to scousers.

that has negative connotations....don't ya know?!

Anyway.

I'm not giving up on Jackson - or on any of our young, new players - just yet. Most of them lack the job experience and life experience to be immediately become a POTY candidate after moving to a different country and a different, demanding league. I'd say it's no wonder one of our best players is an English lad from an English club with some experience in the EPL. We'll probably see some more dreadful missers, wayward passes and naive defending before any of them have truly settled and feel at home. Then we'll have a better picture of their talents.

4 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Anyway.

I'm not giving up on Jackson - or on any of our young, new players - just yet. Most of them lack the job experience and life experience to be immediately become a POTY candidate after moving to a different country and a different, demanding league. I'd say it's no wonder one of our best players is an English lad from an English club with some experience in the EPL. We'll probably see some more dreadful missers, wayward passes and naive defending before any of them have truly settled and feel at home. Then we'll have a better picture of their talents.

He’s a bloody donkey.

5 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Anyway.

I'm not giving up on Jackson - or on any of our young, new players - just yet. Most of them lack the job experience and life experience to be immediately become a POTY candidate after moving to a different country and a different, demanding league. I'd say it's no wonder one of our best players is an English lad from an English club with some experience in the EPL. We'll probably see some more dreadful missers, wayward passes and naive defending before any of them have truly settled and feel at home. Then we'll have a better picture of their talents.

Jackson is fine. 

He actually has surpassed my expectations 😂😂

 

 

 

Why Jackson struggle? 

Because this is freaking pl and st is by far the hardest position to play. 

Jackson is simply not ready but for a new st in PL he has done quite well.

Why can't we sign a ready made st then? Because it is extemely hard/expensive to get one. As a team you cannot lose both Tammy n Lukaku. It doesn't matter what your opinion of them, you can't. 

 

 

16 hours ago, JJ8 said:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0896920510371389

https://run.unl.pt/bitstream/10362/142849/1/a2020110806 Zachariah Tailor Dissertação.pdf

https://www.ppesydney.net/content/uploads/2020/05/Unravelling-the-Neoliberal-paradox-with-Marx.pdf

What an absolute mess this thread this has become.

While I appreciate your efforts at googling three papers where the words 'neoliberal[ism]' and '[neo]-Marxism' appear in the same sentence, you evidently have not read them, or at least don't understand what they say. A very brief overview:

[Neo-]Marxism is an intellectual/historical critical theory which uses the concept of class relations to understand history, economics and power structures. Very briefly, Neo-Marxism looks at how the poor/working class (i.e. most of us) might have been exploited during whichever historical event/period we otherwise take for granted but without so much of the 'revolution is coming' aspect after it [mostly] failed to happen in the West after WWI.

Neoliberalism is an economic framework, (which many would argue is the current status quo) which embraces free trade above anything else, in particular the lifting of any barrier, legislative or otherwise, which hinder free trade.

Critical theories are new conceptual lenses which are used to take a different look at history. Other examples are green theory (environmental impact), feminist critical theory (gender relations), and critical race theory (you might have heard Donald Trump bloviating about the latter). Neo-Marxism and neoliberalism are entirely different, even opposite, concepts and have nothing at all to do with someone being rightly or wrongly accused of being racist or homophobic.

If you want to randomly lash out at anything your favourite rag might disapprove of under the guise of it being 'leftie', I believe the current mot du jour is 'woke'. In previous generations it was 'political correctness gone mad'. Most of us just consider it good manners.

 

 

P.S. I miss @g3.7

P.P.S. John Aldridge is human detritus. 

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

Anyway.

I'm not giving up on Jackson - or on any of our young, new players - just yet. Most of them lack the job experience and life experience to be immediately become a POTY candidate after moving to a different country and a different, demanding league. I'd say it's no wonder one of our best players is an English lad from an English club with some experience in the EPL. We'll probably see some more dreadful missers, wayward passes and naive defending before any of them have truly settled and feel at home. Then we'll have a better picture of their talents.

Pretty much this.

I refuse to get on the back of our players, more expensive experience players have come in and struggle massively the attention he’s getting is way OTT. He’s done well enough for a new young striker into the hardest league for strikers in the world.  

That united striker has scored one goal in the PL cost twice the price yet doesn’t get the same attention as Jackson in the media.

It’s like he’s been used as some sort of tool to vent frustration for the entire situation Ted and his wise men have put the club in.

6 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

What an absolute mess this thread this has become.

While I appreciate your efforts at googling three papers where the words 'neoliberal[ism]' and '[neo]-Marxism' appear in the same sentence, you evidently have not read them, or at least don't understand what they say. A very brief overview:

[Neo-]Marxism is an intellectual/historical critical theory which uses the concept of class relations to understand history, economics and power structures. Very briefly, Neo-Marxism looks at how the poor/working class (i.e. most of us) might have been exploited during whichever historical event/period we otherwise take for granted but without so much of the 'revolution is coming' aspect after it [mostly] failed to happen in the West after WWI.

Neoliberalism is an economic framework, (which many would argue is the current status quo) which embraces free trade above anything else, in particular the lifting of any barrier, legislative or otherwise, which hinder free trade.

Critical theories are new conceptual lenses which are used to take a different look at history. Other examples are green theory (environmental impact), feminist critical theory (gender relations), and critical race theory (you might have heard Donald Trump bloviating about the latter). Neo-Marxism and neoliberalism are entirely different, even opposite, concepts and have nothing at all to do with someone being rightly or wrongly accused of being racist or homophobic.

If you want to randomly lash out at anything your favourite rag might disapprove of under the guise of it being 'leftie', I believe the current mot du jour is 'woke'. In previous generations it was 'political correctness gone mad'. Most of us just consider it good manners.

 

 

P.S. I miss @g3.7

P.P.S. John Aldridge is human detritus. 

I commend you for actually responding lol 😂 whenever  someone starts raging posting and name calling immediately I tend to believe they have no understanding of what they are talking about which I knew they didn’t, hence it got completely ignored.

18 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Come off it mate, my parents are Nigerian immigrants, and many of us called Torres and Morata donkeys for years, it's got nothing to do with race. 

I think it's more concerning when people immediately jump to those comparisons if anything, but I'm sure your heart is in the right place. 

Zeta is just having a laugh, I doubt Jackson reads this forum and god help him if he does. 

True, but that picture is something I expect from rival fans and not from one of our own.

Agreed it's been made a lot more of than needed.

Bloody Marxists 🤣

7 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

referring to anyone as a donkey has a negative connotation.......in this context it means they are a sh*t football player. 

To those 0.01% of the people in world who have been offended (i.e maybe they identify as a donkey or simply scream racism at anything) - then i have some advice. Get over it. 

I think its the picture that I object to and not the word.

It's something a rival fan would post . I don't see the racist angle at all. 

And he's not the only player who could be depicted in that picture

🤣

 

It can be any member of the squad you want. I simply asked AI for "Donkey Wearing Chelsea shirt".

 

It can easily be about 2/3 of this team, including the manager and owners.

18 hours ago, JJ8 said:

Thats what i'm talking about. YOU ARE brain washed with neo liberal trash and he like others always have to put something political in every word

Well , I don't see any racism in the picture, nor do I see neo liberal trash , brainwashing or politics in comments either.

There's nothing to choose between both nonsensical viewpoints.

 

18 minutes ago, Zeta said:

It can be any member of the squad you want. I simply asked AI for "Donkey Wearing Chelsea shirt".

 

It can easily be about 2/3 of this team, including the manager and owners.

You should have put him in a suit sitting in the West stand owners box. 🤣

From the........

The Trotsky - Leninist Commune

Surely Jackson is off to the AFCON soon? Any chance he can go early and any chance they can extend the tournament so it doesn't end until May?

 

3 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

What an absolute mess this thread this has become.

While I appreciate your efforts at googling three papers where the words 'neoliberal[ism]' and '[neo]-Marxism' appear in the same sentence, you evidently have not read them, or at least don't understand what they say. A very brief overview:

[Neo-]Marxism is an intellectual/historical critical theory which uses the concept of class relations to understand history, economics and power structures. Very briefly, Neo-Marxism looks at how the poor/working class (i.e. most of us) might have been exploited during whichever historical event/period we otherwise take for granted but without so much of the 'revolution is coming' aspect after it [mostly] failed to happen in the West after WWI.

Neoliberalism is an economic framework, (which many would argue is the current status quo) which embraces free trade above anything else, in particular the lifting of any barrier, legislative or otherwise, which hinder free trade.

Critical theories are new conceptual lenses which are used to take a different look at history. Other examples are green theory (environmental impact), feminist critical theory (gender relations), and critical race theory (you might have heard Donald Trump bloviating about the latter). Neo-Marxism and neoliberalism are entirely different, even opposite, concepts and have nothing at all to do with someone being rightly or wrongly accused of being racist or homophobic.

If you want to randomly lash out at anything your favourite rag might disapprove of under the guise of it being 'leftie', I believe the current mot du jour is 'woke'. In previous generations it was 'political correctness gone mad'. Most of us just consider it good manners.

 

 

P.S. I miss @g3.7

P.P.S. John Aldridge is human detritus. 

John is Oirish, ☘️☘️☘️please stop with the racism ☘️☘️☘️ bejaysus 

3 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

What an absolute mess this thread this has become.

While I appreciate your efforts at googling three papers where the words 'neoliberal[ism]' and '[neo]-Marxism' appear in the same sentence, you evidently have not read them, or at least don't understand what they say. A very brief overview:

[Neo-]Marxism is an intellectual/historical critical theory which uses the concept of class relations to understand history, economics and power structures. Very briefly, Neo-Marxism looks at how the poor/working class (i.e. most of us) might have been exploited during whichever historical event/period we otherwise take for granted but without so much of the 'revolution is coming' aspect after it [mostly] failed to happen in the West after WWI.

Neoliberalism is an economic framework, (which many would argue is the current status quo) which embraces free trade above anything else, in particular the lifting of any barrier, legislative or otherwise, which hinder free trade.

Critical theories are new conceptual lenses which are used to take a different look at history. Other examples are green theory (environmental impact), feminist critical theory (gender relations), and critical race theory (you might have heard Donald Trump bloviating about the latter). Neo-Marxism and neoliberalism are entirely different, even opposite, concepts and have nothing at all to do with someone being rightly or wrongly accused of being racist or homophobic.

If you want to randomly lash out at anything your favourite rag might disapprove of under the guise of it being 'leftie', I believe the current mot du jour is 'woke'. In previous generations it was 'political correctness gone mad'. Most of us just consider it good manners.

 

 

P.S. I miss @g3.7

P.P.S. John Aldridge is human detritus. 

Smart arse…. Xoxo

 

love ya really

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

As a team you cannot lose both Tammy n Lukaku. It doesn't matter what your opinion of them, you can't. 

 

 

Yes you can….we did. And rightly so. 
 

Oh, and on topic of the donkey - it doesn’t matter our views on his skills or ability - but one thing is for sure. The goals in the premier league are no bigger, or smaller than in any other league. I do agree that a new striker might take time to adapt to a new league and take time to get chances - but Jackos problem has not been getting the chances - we have served them up on a plate to him time and again - his problem is that he can’t hit the target, consistently messes up attacks and was born offside. Oh - and his attitude stinks, he keeps getting booked for dissent and he is a perv asking girls for sexy pics. 

23 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

You should have put him in a suit sitting in the West stand owners box. 🤣

From the........

The Trotsky - Leninist Commune

Trotsky, Leninist , Commune

Sounds like a front 3 that would score more goals than Jackson…

23 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Thanks for the slice of homophobia there mate.

Maybe post your depiction of  " pansy" Chelsea fans too ?

Where did you see  homophobia ??? 

Only people with neoliberal craps always put such things when can't argue - homophobia, racism............

 

Edited December 29, 20232 yr by JJ8

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Surely Jackson is off to the AFCON soon? Any chance he can go early and any chance they can extend the tournament so it doesn't end until May?

 

We'll probably want him back after 90 minutes of Broja.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

We'll probably want him back after 90 minutes of Broja.

Tomorrow will likely be his last game for a month. Judging by the way players stock rises when they are not playing, he should return a superstar 😉

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

We'll probably want him back after 90 minutes of Broja.

People still haven't realized we could potentially be without Jackson for 8 matches. It's no better time for Broja to make an impact. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

People still haven't realized we could potentially be without Jackson for 8 matches. It's no better time for Broja to make an impact. 

Broja should be long gone by the time Jackson returns, wish him well but can't say I want any of our ex players to make an impact for Milwall.

Says everything about what a shambles our recruitment has been that we've spent a billion and might be stuck with only the Albanian Chris Sutton up front at a key part of the season.

Edited December 29, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?