48 minutes ago, dkw said:

And Poch would have had them playing miles apart and isolated, and we would have the exact same problems we do now. The players are not the problem.

The English media would have a field day if Poch used Rice the same way he is using Caicedo. 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Argo said:

 

 

Exactly this even Alonso was sh*te under Lampard, the players are not bad players they are top 6 on current ability unfortunately it took me a little longer to realise Poch just isn’t setting up the Team correctly. 
 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

 

 

Jorginho lmao

Have to admit if I was in his shoes I think I'd probably think the grass looks greener elsewhere...

And I wouldn't be surprised if half the team or more felt that way too - f**king stupid approach by Clearlake Capital - made it very hard for everyone, especially the manager.

And the academy boys thrown down the drain - dreadful.

 

Did really well tonight which was good to see

Complimented each other well tonight, helped by a compact shape without the ball.

That should answer the question asked, play them close and they boss any team both were outstanding today.

6 hours ago, El regreso said:

That should answer the question asked, play them close and they boss any team both were outstanding today.

Yes. The best I have seen them play together. Hopefully they can build from this game.

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

Yes. The best I have seen them play together. Hopefully they can build from this game.

The more important question, what change? 

There is no way poch suddenly wake up in the last three days and change stuff. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

The more important question, what change? 

There is no way poch suddenly wake up in the last three days and change stuff. 

Maybe players just worked it out for themselves. I was very taken by him pulling the shirt off. Saw a lot passion for success in that. What I saw he played deeper and more centrally. team was way better for it. 

54 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Maybe players just worked it out for themselves. I was very taken by him pulling the shirt off. Saw a lot passion for success in that. What I saw he played deeper and more centrally. team was way better for it. 

Sure. So the player just get together and say let's play closer?😵‍💫😵‍💫 

If we want to play more compact. The line has to be high and fast or we build slowly and keep the ball. High

Edited February 8, 20242 yr by Bob stark

It worked because the team had better balance, and we had the ability to push up further from the back with Disasi & Badiashile as the centre back pairing.

For me Silva is not a starter, we need to push on from here.

Hopefully they kick on next season but this has surely been a season to forget for both of them on a individual level.

So much hype before the season started and so very little substance after the football got underway.

 

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Hopefully they kick on next season but this has surely been a season to forget for both of them on a individual level.

So much hype before the season started and so very little substance after the football got underway.

 

If they get a tactician as their manager who gives them clear instructions I believe they could be phenomenal. Unfortunately for them and us  they probably got another 18 months of Poch.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

If they get a tactician as their manager who gives them clear instructions I believe they could be phenomenal. Unfortunately for them and us  they probably got another 18 months of Poch.

Still don’t think that will be enough especially if the manager persists with a 4-2-3-1. To get the best out of them you will need to switch to a 3-4-3 or a DM behind them in a 4-3-3.

I've got no problems with Enzo at all. He is a clear upgrade for me on Jorginho and will only get better. Particularly when we get someone better up top than Jackson.

It's Caicedo  I'm worried about. He has proved to be a massive downgrade from Kante so far.

4 minutes ago, just said:

I've got no problems with Enzo at all. He is a clear upgrade for me on Jorginho and will only get better. Particularly when we get someone better up top than Jackson.

It's Caicedo  I'm worried about. He has proved to be a massive downgrade from Kante so far.

I don't think the players are the problem. It is the system with the players around them. If playing Double pivot as we are, then it is criminal to then have disasi and cucurella as the wide players and connor as the creative 10. 

On 08/04/2024 at 05:05, just said:

I've got no problems with Enzo at all. He is a clear upgrade for me on Jorginho and will only get better. Particularly when we get someone better up top than Jackson.

It's Caicedo  I'm worried about. He has proved to be a massive downgrade from Kante so far.

I love Enzo. I think he's someone who will become a legend at this club. 

Caicedo let's see. I think he has the ability to do awesome things. 

But as everyone says, they need to be set up right. 

Enzo looked mustard under Potter and mustard at the World Cup.

Caicedo looked mustard under De Zerbi.

Trying to figure out the common denominator for the point they didn't look mustard. Scratching my head on that one.

On 08/04/2024 at 05:05, just said:

It's Caicedo  I'm worried about. He has proved to be a massive downgrade from Kante so far.

However came in for Kante was facing a hiding to nothing, replacing seven players with one is impossible.

On 08/04/2024 at 12:05, just said:

I've got no problems with Enzo at all. He is a clear upgrade for me on Jorginho and will only get better. Particularly when we get someone better up top than Jackson.

It's Caicedo  I'm worried about. He has proved to be a massive downgrade from Kante so far.

Tbf for Caicedo,  pretty much everyone is a massive downgrade over kante

On 08/04/2024 at 12:10, nonotnowjim said:

I don't think the players are the problem. It is the system with the players around them. If playing Double pivot as we are, then it is criminal to then have disasi and cucurella as the wide players and connor as the creative 10. 

Connor as a 10 is not for creativity.

On 08/04/2024 at 07:54, ducavis said:

Still don’t think that will be enough especially if the manager persists with a 4-2-3-1. To get the best out of them you will need to switch to a 3-4-3 or a DM behind them in a 4-3-3.

433 or 4231 is very similar especially if you want to press, in 433 one of the midfield will step up and press and you will end up in 442/4231 shape

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3 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Connor as a 10 is not for creativity.

So why play him at 10 against a defensive block?