22 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Because neither Fofana or Washington are physical enough or have an aerial presence to hold their own against Premier League defenders. 

As far as the last sentence, I am not sure why you are so surprised. Clearlake's model from the beginning was that there will be players who will make it here and there will be players that will be sold on for a book value profit. 

Not surprised but just frustrated.

This club needs to stop spending money and accept the position they got themselves in with poor recruitment. If they sell the likes of Datro and Casadei this window it just shows they don't know how to develop players because how is a player going to be ready at the age of 20 and on loan in a new environment. Would not be surprised if someone like Casadei goes on to become a top player in Italy with proper development and game time.

1 hour ago, carefree franco said:

Although I wouldn’t listen to me I was watching Atalanta in the europa league this season and was impressed by Scamaca thinking he held the ball up well and linked well with the players around him, then realised he was a West Ham flop

West Ham have a way of getting it wrong. They used him as a target man.

1 hour ago, Sheva said:

Not surprised but just frustrated.

This club needs to stop spending money and accept the position they got themselves in with poor recruitment. If they sell the likes of Datro and Casadei this window it just shows they don't know how to develop players because how is a player going to be ready at the age of 20 and on loan in a new environment. Would not be surprised if someone like Casadei goes on to become a top player in Italy with proper development and game time.

He has the game. Serie A is a lot less demanding than the PL

Please tell me this is just some Twitter rando looking for engagement. Why they hell would we pay £40+m for a striker that can't even get in the Villa team? We already have a young striker we don't use in Washington. If we end up selling Gallagher and Chalobah and sign this guy, the fans are rightfully going to be pissed.

4 hours ago, Remodez said:

I have honestly never seen this guy play for Villa. 

Nor have most of the Villa fans

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I think the plan is to continue with Jackson and trust his development. Duran offers something different and could potentially compete with Jackson. 

It's much better than 60m on Sesko. 

If it is 25mill then could well be. If is 40mill plus on Duran or 60mill on Sesko would sooner sesko, think he will be a better all round forward.

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You see, this is a lot more reasonable. Hopefully this is the agreed price. 

 

But even at that £25m it is still only comparable to Guirassy who has a proven track record and would work well with Jackson to develop him, rather than bringing in a player more raw than Jackson was. Don't get it, sorry.

44 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

But even at that £25m it is still only comparable to Guirassy who has a proven track record and would work well with Jackson to develop him, rather than bringing in a player more raw than Jackson was. Don't get it, sorry.

Think the directors/owners trust Jackson's development and at most want someone that competes with him vs outright starts over him. 

I don't agree with it either but my neck isn't the one on the line. 

I reckon it will be a package of 45mill, with 25mill the initial fee, making both reports right.

20mill payable based on easy and hard targets. Certain number of goals, us making CL, winning a trophy etc.

 

 

 

£42 million . . .Our Sporting directors, the blue.co 'Cartel' if you will, are very keen on developing a good relationship in Columbia. They find that get a lot of inspiration from Colombia when making their soccer decisions.

3 hours ago, Sheva said:

Not surprised but just frustrated.

This club needs to stop spending money and accept the position they got themselves in with poor recruitment. If they sell the likes of Datro and Casadei this window it just shows they don't know how to develop players because how is a player going to be ready at the age of 20 and on loan in a new environment. Would not be surprised if someone like Casadei goes on to become a top player in Italy with proper development and game time.

What if we made a profit on both of them?

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

But even at that £25m it is still only comparable to Guirassy who has a proven track record and would work well with Jackson to develop him, rather than bringing in a player more raw than Jackson was. Don't get it, sorry.

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

30 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

How do you know his value will increase in 3 years. How much is Fofana worth today in comparison to the 75m we paid. How do you also know that Guirassy will be worth nothing in 3 years.

At some point there has to be some focus on the here and now. You cannot continually buy players who are going to be great, possibly, hopefully in 3 or 4 years time. Virtually every pundit involved in football made the comment last year that our football, even in the bad times, wasn't bad. We just couldn't score goals. So we decide to not go for a proven quality striker to lead the line and end up going for a second string Villa striker that there manager is perfectly happy to let go (with no second striker currently in place btw)

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

Based on what though? Duran has currently done nothing in his career to suggest his value will go up or that he is anywhere near being worth £40m right now. 

If we pay £40m for him, how do we get his value to £60m in 3 years? He's going to need to become a regular starter by the end of the season and become a striker that scores around 20 goals a season. How can any logical thinking person think this is realistic? 

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

A 28 year old who will be worth nothing in 3 years time vs a 20 year old whose value will be much more likely to increase. 

25m on a 28 year old is a lot more expensive in the long run than on a 20 yo.

Honestly I don’t care.  We didn’t make any profit on Drogba or Lampard.  I support and watch Chelsea for the football.  All this transfer business, pure profit shenanigans all just extra nonsense that some fans all of a sudden have an invested interest in like they are the ones making money.  Get the player that will bang the goals in.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

How do you know his value will increase in 3 years. How much is Fofana worth today in comparison to the 75m we paid. How do you also know that Guirassy will be worth nothing in 3 years.

At some point there has to be some focus on the here and now. You cannot continually buy players who are going to be great, possibly, hopefully in 3 or 4 years time. Virtually every pundit involved in football made the comment last year that our football, even in the bad times, wasn't bad. We just couldn't score goals. So we decide to not go for a proven quality striker to lead the line and end up going for a second string Villa striker that there manager is perfectly happy to let go (with no second striker currently in place btw)

I don't think he will be a better signing. Although I think a 28 year old who hasn't performed at the very top level, is probably not going to win us the title. I'd rather gamble on a 20 year old than someone who has had one good season. 

53 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Based on what though? Duran has currently done nothing in his career to suggest his value will go up or that he is anywhere near being worth £40m right now. 

If we pay £40m for him, how do we get his value to £60m in 3 years? He's going to need to become a regular starter by the end of the season and become a striker that scores around 20 goals a season. How can any logical thinking person think this is realistic? 

 I don't think we should pay 40m for him. But 25? Yeah definitely. 

30 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Honestly I don’t care.  We didn’t make any profit on Drogba or Lampard.  I support and watch Chelsea for the football.  All this transfer business, pure profit shenanigans all just extra nonsense that some fans all of a sudden have an invested interest in like they are the ones making money.  Get the player that will bang the goals in.

Well I was mainly just making the point that spending 25m on a 20yo with a bright future is a different purchase to buying a 28 year old at the very peak of their powers for the same price.

6 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I don't think he will be a better signing. Although I think a 28 year old who hasn't performed at the very top level, is probably not going to win us the title. I'd rather gamble on a 20 year old than someone who has had one good season. 

 I don't think we should pay 40m for him. But 25? Yeah definitely. 

Well I was mainly just making the point that spending 25m on a 20yo with a bright future is a different purchase to buying a 28 year old at the very peak of their powers for the same price.

I get these points and agree that there certainly is a place for this approach. My point is that this doesn't have to be the only and total approach. I'm only using Guirassy as a case in point. But the guy played a hundred games in Ligue 1 with a strike rate of roughly 1 in 3. Since moving to the Bundesliga his rate has improved to better than 1 in 2. Contrast this to Duran's level of inexperience and regardless of age 25m for Duran looks expensive against 25m for Guirassy which would looks value for money.

Add to that the point that Maresca's style apparently wants a forward to drop deep, work with the midfield and bring others into play as well and Guirassy again fits the mould. Perhaps Duran will as well, but with so little playing time its a gamble. Noises, granted form sh*t sources like twitter, imply that Duran may be high maintenance if he is not getting gam time and, along with Madueke's instances of petulance, its another negative point.

Finally, for me, 25m for the use of an asset for 3 years with a reduced (i don't think there would be no sell on value) value at the end of this time isn't a bad deal at all.

15 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

150m? Maybe if these foreign clubs group together into syndicates, like horse ownership,  and share the player around.

I reckon the best way go about it to sell Gallagher for 100M to Strasbourg, then loan him back on 10M a season, everyone wins and FFP looked solid

6 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

£42 million . . .Our Sporting directors, the blue.co 'Cartel' if you will, are very keen on developing a good relationship in Columbia. They find that get a lot of inspiration from Colombia when making their soccer decisions.

 

Colombia approves! 

18 hours ago, bisright1 said:

He's still pure profit. 

If we do a trade, then we can value Gallagher at 50m on the books next season as a sale and amortise Duran's cost over 5 years. Likewise Villa get the same benefit on the books their side. 

Although I assume (surely) Gallagher will cost more than Duran. 

Sure, but Duran's amortized value is going to be far more than whatever Gallagher's is, even with an improved contract. And that's not counting the cost of any potential replacement.

It's a kicking the PSR problem down the road, the "pure profit" narrative only makes sense in the very short term.

Remember when people were upset that we didn’t scout Gyorkeres before he moved to Sporting? It was Winstanley who wanted him at Brighton. 
 

Let’s see if Winstanley gets this one right too. 

Not against duran if hes at 25 mil....at 40+mil they are having a giraffe and only we'd be stupid enough to pay it, serie a teams certainly wont.

i hear Tammy abraham is available from roma For less 😙

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Remember when people were upset that we didn’t scout Gyorkeres before he moved to Sporting? It was Winstanley who wanted him at Brighton. 
 

Let’s see if Winstanley gets this one right too. 

But aren't we already doing that with DD Fofana and Washington? Not convinced they've unearthed gems there so far, from what I've seen.

Looks like this is a done deal for 50 million Euros, lad has a discipline problem and Emery wants rid so along come Clearfake to Villa’s rescue. I did see him score a blinder in one of their last games of the season. I’m passed being upset with the owners I expected nothing less than their transfer market sh*thousery to continue this summer. Only 8 more seasons to go until they can put the club up for sale for a PROFIT of course. 

Agbonlahor told he has had problems in the training pitch and as I watched his highlights he has done well against the top teams which could indicate he has always put himself in the shop window. That would be a massive personality trait if so. 

His talent is there but if his head is not, let's hard pass.