Well known fact that we are crying out for a PROPER striker and so we are linked with a guy that most of us have never heard of with a record in the PL you wouldn't even look at and think "yeah, this guy could do a job for us".

Sums us up at the moment. Laughable if we sign him.

 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Agbonlahor told he has had problems in the training pitch and as I watched his highlights he has done well against the top teams which could indicate he has always put himself in the shop window. That would be a massive personality trait if so. 

His talent is there but if his head is not, let's hard pass.

 

This is the type of sh*t that gets forgotten when the positive PR spin kicks in when we sign. No way can this be a Maresca requested/endorsed signing. Maresca has enough challenges ahead of him in a pressurized environment without running the risk of having his man management skills aired in public from shows of petulance from entitled players. Unless the players are of such outstanding quality why would any manager invite that additional risk factor into his regime. Its just not necessary here.

But we'll sign him. Maresca will sub him at some point and possibly Madueke for dicking around over a penalty he is not entitled to take, it'll kick off and the press will make sure all eyes are on him. But nobody would listen to Maresca if he then said, "Whoa, wait, this guy had attitude problems when the club bought him, its not down to me"., This stuff just gets forgotten until the inevitable attitude problems happen.

This is another ten a penny forward, so why take this risk on a second choice striker (He, and probably the club, thinks he is the main man btw)

11 hours ago, DarkMata said:

Honestly I don’t care.  We didn’t make any profit on Drogba or Lampard.  I support and watch Chelsea for the football.  All this transfer business, pure profit shenanigans all just extra nonsense that some fans all of a sudden have an invested interest in like they are the ones making money.  Get the player that will bang the goals in.

Same here fed up of all this accountant speak, profit ,loss, amortisation etc. and as for all the stat. nerds out there. 

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

Well known fact that we are crying out for a PROPER striker and so we are linked with a guy that most of us have never heard of with a record in the PL you wouldn't even look at and think "yeah, this guy could do a job for us".

Sums us up at the moment. Laughable if we sign him.

 

Jackson was basically the same and he was okay and in line with what the new SD's are doing and gladly the exact opposite of what Roman did. 

54 minutes ago, evissy said:

Jackson was basically the same and he was okay and in line with what the new SD's are doing and gladly the exact opposite of what Roman did. 

You think Jackson was okay? A proper striker and we finish top 4 and we win the League Cup and maybe even the FA Cup too. Jackson is a back-up striker at best and not sure Duran is even that.

I don't want us signing ageing strikers past their best (Shevchenko, Torres, Aubameyang etc), but we are crying out for a striker actually worthy of being labelled a striker.

Edited June 13, 20242 yr by Nibs

13 minutes ago, Nibs said:

You think Jackson was okay? A proper striker and we finish top 4 and we win the League Cup and maybe even the FA Cup too. Jackson is a back-up striker at best and not sure Duran is even that.

I don't want us signing ageing strikers past their best (Shevchenko, Torres, Aubameyang etc), but we are crying out for a striker actually worthy of being labelled a striker.

Way too harsh on Jackson, particularly in his first season. As pointed out before about the same as drogba in terms of goals and Drogs was in a better team. 
 

Duran though hasn’t got much to recommend him in terms of record. 

19 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Way too harsh on Jackson, particularly in his first season. As pointed out before about the same as drogba in terms of goals and Drogs was in a better team. 
 

Duran though hasn’t got much to recommend him in terms of record. 

Drogba was a lot more experienced too, i think we forget Jackson is only 22 sometimes. 

1 hour ago, ozboy said:

Way too harsh on Jackson, particularly in his first season. As pointed out before about the same as drogba in terms of goals and Drogs was in a better team. 
 

Duran though hasn’t got much to recommend him in terms of record. 

Not harsh at all. Yes, you could argue that he did okay (certainly no more than that) and it wasn't his fault he was thrust into the striker position and played way more often than a player like him should have. But no doubt IMO, we have a proper striker and last season we win one, possibly two cup finals and finish top 4. 

Nico is 22..after Diego Costa we have tried big name, small name, your name, my name, old star, young star, academy product and so on. Nico did okay in his first full season in top level of professional football at the age of 21-22. 

Jhon Duran's stats below. He is basically in a same situation as Jackson was at Villareal season before, profile and age categories match too.

 

 

What we know so far. . .

£25million for striker Jhon Duran.

Duran is super keen on the move.

Aston Villa’s financial situation means they need/would like to sell

Chelsea and villa are in conversation

All in all, considering, what is available out there, yeah it seems okay, could have potential. Another prospect. We could have bought Victor from Napoli--- but at over £100 million+ that just had the potential for total failure/disaster written all over it.

 

Jackson and Duran competing for the no.9 spot.

DD Fofana and Washington off on loan somewhere.

 

What is the Duran discipline problem? Anybody know?

7 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

But aren't we already doing that with DD Fofana and Washington? Not convinced they've unearthed gems there so far, from what I've seen.

No, we aren't. There are going to be signings that we loan & flip and signings that go straight to the first team. It was obvious with DD Fofana and Washington where their fate lied when we signed them. Had we brought in Gyorkeres last summer from Coventry there would've been just an outrage. Had Winstanley had his way he'd probably be competing for the golden boot against Haaland with Brighton.  If the directors see Duran having a similar trajectory and qualities to do so, then fair play. 

It's a win/win for us regardless. September 2024 onward was when the directors would allegedly be evaluated on their work. So either Duran kills it here, or these muppets get the can. 

4 hours ago, Nibs said:

Well known fact that we are crying out for a PROPER striker and so we are linked with a guy that most of us have never heard of with a record in the PL you wouldn't even look at and think "yeah, this guy could do a job for us".

Sums us up at the moment. Laughable if we sign him.

 

And the rumour is that Villa are seeking £50m for him although I heard on Talk Spite that a deal is close at f**king ridiculous £42m. He is 20 and relatively untried, so basically in the same position as Jackson was this time last year. Why can't Stewart & Winstanley realise that we desperately need some experience in the squad to turn us into winners. Someone with a real pedigree, a track record of delivering on the biggest stage. Experience in the Squad as a whole is undoubtedly needed although we do nothing about recruiting any, but the main striking position is the absolutely key. Arsenal lack one and won nothing, same at Liverpool now Salah is past it, City have one and won two major trophies, that is the difference. Yes Duran and Jackson have potential the definition of which is - "having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future". But, and it is a BIG but, as we well know after all of the "potential" superstars that we have lavished hundreds of millions on over the years, there is ZERO guarantee that the potential will ever turn into the finished article.

Anything over £30m, walk away. 

Jackson's understudy to cost more than Jackson? 😂

Edited June 13, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

27 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Anything over £30m, walk away. 

Jackson's understudy to cost more than Jackson? 😂

No more than £20m with reasonable performance related add-ons 😉

25 million quid is THE price apparently. 

Duran --- Young left-sided Columbian forward who according to blokes itk – that means ‘in the know’ – we almost signed him before from Chicago Fire. At that time Everton, Benfica, Aston Villa, Liverpool and Manchester United all had scouts watch him in the United States before his move to Villa..

The member of staff who advocated the Chelsea interest originally is still at the club and has proposed that Chelsea should look to him again after being contacted directly by his agent - but the club has far preferred targets. West Ham asked for a loan of Duran in January.

1 hour ago, TheCeleryKing said:

 

25 million quid is THE price apparently. 

Duran --- Young left-sided Columbian forward who according to blokes itk – that means ‘in the know’ – we almost signed him before from Chicago Fire. At that time Everton, Benfica, Aston Villa, Liverpool and Manchester United all had scouts watch him in the United States before his move to Villa..

 

The member of staff who advocated the Chelsea interest originally is still at the club and has proposed that Chelsea should look to him again after being contacted directly by his agent - but the club has far preferred targets. West Ham asked for a loan of Duran in January.

 

SP. That means "Smarty Pants".

Jackson is absolutely useless....this guy would be welcome, even for £100m if it means Wacko Jacko gets dumped.

56 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Jackson is absolutely useless....this guy would be welcome, even for £100m if it means Wacko Jacko gets dumped.

That is a bit harsh. Let’s play devil’s advocate for a min; and assume Jackson was our designated penalty taker. Palmer scored 22 goals last season, 9 of which were pens. Assuming Jackson scored 6 of those;  he is a 20 goal a season forward, and Palmer on 12 goals has had a “very good” debut season not a brilliant one. That little detail changes the narrative around both players.

37 minutes ago, ducavis said:

That is a bit harsh. Let’s play devil’s advocate for a min; and assume Jackson was our designated penalty taker. Palmer scored 22 goals last season, 9 of which were pens. Assuming Jackson scored 6 of those;  he is a 20 goal a season forward, and Palmer on 12 goals has had a “very good” debut season not a brilliant one. That little detail changes the narrative around both players.

It wouldn't change much in Palmer's case because he still has 15 assists and his general play has been fantastic.

Whenever a fee is quoted, it almost always includes every single possible add on in that contract. So before we strip Winstanley/Stewart naked, roll them in feather and tar and parade them down King's Road while screaming "SHAME" at them, lets remember that. Lets say if its 25mill with another 5 for qualifying for the CL and another 10 if we win it - I'm fine with it. 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

That is a bit harsh. Let’s play devil’s advocate for a min; and assume Jackson was our designated penalty taker. Palmer scored 22 goals last season, 9 of which were pens. Assuming Jackson scored 6 of those;  he is a 20 goal a season forward, and Palmer on 12 goals has had a “very good” debut season not a brilliant one. That little detail changes the narrative around both players.

Oh come on!

Palmer was runaway player of the season not because of penalty conversions. He was fantastic and did a whole lot more than just score goals and penalties. And there is no way I would have wanted to see Jackson stepping up to take some of those all important penalties anyway!

 

Interesting. 
 

 

It’s 50 mill Euros. Sporting Directors remit is not to build a top 4 trophy winning team it’s about investing in young unknown, hungry players with potential on long term contracts with the aim that a certain % will evolve into world class talents and command huge transfer fees to the Big Heads of European football, of which we are no longer a member. A feeder club like Brighton whose business model Clearfake are emulating. 

1 hour ago, General said:

It’s 50 mill Euros. Sporting Directors remit is not to build a top 4 trophy winning team it’s about investing in young unknown, hungry players with potential on long term contracts with the aim that a certain % will evolve into world class talents and command huge transfer fees to the Big Heads of European football, of which we are no longer a member. A feeder club like Brighton whose business model Clearfake are emulating. 

Hardly.

Brighton spend £5m on some geezer you've never heard of and then sell him for £50m.

We spend £50m on some geezer you may have heard of and then... What sell him for £500m? Don't think so mate.

3 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Interesting. 
 

 

Lukaku?!