I've said before all the Torres hating means nothing, If he has done enough to convince Roman, then the boy is a stayer, 20 goals is 20 goals, How do we know Roman thinks the Mazacar are the answer when they all play, it will be fun if he stays another season, the Torres axis of hate,will be glowing a distinctly Darker shade of red next season.

Onebelo said: "...when he was one of the worst strikers in the world."

The world? The ENTIRE World?!!! The WHOLE world?!!!

Also "...lack of ability..."? I've seen him, in games for Chels, when his skill and delicacy on the ball have amazed me. He is a predator - world class? Yes. Out of form? Also yes, but he has class.

 

Let me ask you this how many first choice strikers in the EPL are worse than the Torres we have witnessed over the last 2 years?

 

Have you tracked the amount of bullcrap excuses posters were coming up for Torres even this season, as far as I'm concerned people that continue to say "might as well keep him for another season" have a defeatist attitude this cancer should be removed from the dressing room asap. I've said he played well after Basel but too f**king late for that to make any difference post like yours are winding me up after I've listed to the same crap for two years. 

 

Torres was the WORST... THE BLOODY WORST first choice striker in the EPL over the last 2 years, you stick Carroll or Di Santo up top for us they would have easily outscored his 14 goals in 78 matches in the EPL. 

 

The fact that he is not the worst striker in the World is besides his point - I have little doubt that most top clubs on the continent have youth strikers which would be more productive up top than Floppinio. Majority of times he fails to do the most basic things like follow through on a team mate shot, you know that goal against Basel - it's probably his first f**king goal from a rebound this season, most times he is standing around the penalty spot looking at his team mate's shooting with disgust. "What is this bloody shooting at goal business, pass me the ball in the feet while I'm surrounded by 2 central defenders, bloody idiot"

I'll put my hands up to not seeing Torres regularly. Also, I haven't seen him consistently over the past two years.

I think that, from seeing live matches, TV matches, etc, he seems to have gained confidence this season (about time, you might say - fair enough); he's looking sharper and, despite what you believe is his poor performance over the past two years (and I can't argue) it seems odd to think about losing a player who is improving.

That said, you've heard this before, so you could be sceptical now.

I don't want to piss off a Chels fan on his own site. I did make my point too assertively but it's weird seeing people making it sound like Torres is absolute s**** when he clearly isn't, imo.

Let me ask you this how many first choice strikers in the EPL are worse than the Torres we have witnessed over the last 2 years?

 

Have you tracked the amount of bullcrap excuses posters were coming up for Torres even this season, as far as I'm concerned people that continue to say "might as well keep him for another season" have a defeatist attitude this cancer should be removed from the dressing room asap. I've said he played well after Basel but too f**king late for that to make any difference post like yours are winding me up after I've listed to the same crap for two years. 

 

Torres was the WORST... THE BLOODY WORST first choice striker in the EPL over the last 2 years, you stick Carroll or Di Santo up top for us they would have easily outscored his 14 goals in 78 matches in the EPL. 

 

The fact that he is not the worst striker in the World is besides his point - I have little doubt that most top clubs on the continent have youth strikers which would be more productive up top than Floppinio. Majority of times he fails to do the most basic things like follow through on a team mate shot, you know that goal against Basel - it's probably his first f**king goal from a rebound this season, most times he is standing around the penalty spot looking at his team mate's shooting with disgust. "What is this bloody shooting at goal business, pass me the ball in the feet while I'm surrounded by 2 central defenders, bloody idiot"

 

Glad you got that angst off your chest.......

Glad you got that angst off your chest.......

 

Same person that though Torres deserved more minutes than Lukaku last season

 

How has that worked out for CFC this year?

 

If Lukaku had gotten the same amount of time as your wonderboy he would have developed a long time ago within our squad without hampering us as much as the invisible one. 

 

Or you were the poster who though Drogba starting ahead of Torres after the later got send off against Swansea was due to something insidious is going on behind the scenes rather than the fact that Torres had scored two goals in 8 months at CFC and isn't fit to even be lacing Drogba's boots. 

Edited May 4, 201313 yr by Las7

I'll put my hands up to not seeing Torres regularly. Also, I haven't seen him consistently over the past two years.

I think that, from seeing live matches, TV matches, etc, he seems to have gained confidence this season (about time, you might say - fair enough); he's looking sharper and, despite what you believe is his poor performance over the past two years (and I can't argue) it seems odd to think about losing a player who is improving.

That said, you've heard this before, so you could be sceptical now.

I don't want to piss off a Chels fan on his own site. I did make my point too assertively but it's weird seeing people making it sound like Torres is absolute s**** when he clearly isn't, imo.

 

 

Lets put it this way Adebayor has more goals than Torres in the EPL in 20 less games for your lot and he might have secured you a spot in the CL last season if it wasn't for us winning the CL, our board(or Roman's) insistence with Torres in the meantime has done his best to sabotage our chances for a top 4 finish this and last season. We pushed out Drogba; Sturridge; Kalou; Anelka and loaned out Lukaku, I'd  say that there is not a single thing apart from shirt selling that Torres is considerably better at than the above mentioned players. 

 

If you feel differently I'd understand, but if Adebayor was dropped after you got 4th place in favor of Defoe and went on to the press asking for a preferential treatment after his 2 goals in a bloody season I don't doubt you'd be ticked off and no body in your board will be dumb enough to actually let him have his way. 

This is precisely what our board did and hiring Rafa smells of more favorbility towards bloody Torres to me, might not have been the main factor but it's no doubt a decision which was somewhat easier for the board since they could both try to turn Torres around and have a Fat f**king Scapegoat to blame when it all goes down the drain. To me Torres has not improved one bit since Rafa took over no League goal since December despite playing 200 more minutes than Ba in the League since than. 

Edited May 4, 201313 yr by Las7

If I meant nether I would have said nether.

Fair enough.

It's like Brian Reade said in the Mirror last week, there is no doubt Torres will still be here next season, because no one would bid enough for him and he wouldn't take a 70% pay cut, but he'll likely be reduced to a bit part player.

If worst comes to the worst, and we fail to make top four- i can see him being used purely for Europa, cos he just loves scoring in that.

Won't be surprised if the waiter starts him tomorrow it seems there may be a clause in fatty's interim contract that states FT starts all

big prem games

Won't be surprised if the waiter starts him tomorrow it seems there may be a clause in fatty's interim contract that states FT starts all

big prem games

 

Even when he couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, the Fat Scapegoat's contract demanded he make his once per week praise of how well Torres scored in training or how well he defended corners.  

although information should be taken in singular stances foremost, when certain people have proven themselves muppets over time then their opinion will of course be more dubious due to their track record. this whole 'everyones free to an opinion' adage does not translate to "everyones opinion holds equal weight"— people often confuse the two

that 'out of form' ship sank a long time ago. he is done as a top footballer. times changes. maradona was once great, now he isn't,that doesnt mean he's just 'out of form'

yep. im usually right though.

You forgot to add ”not that hard to grasp” at the end of your post.

I think most people with a footballing brain feel sorry for nando. People who have never played the game or who are just pricks will say " I don't feel sorry for him he earns thousands of pounds to play football" but for me this is wrong on so many levels. Yes the money is great and he doesn't exactly have a sh*t life but imagine the frustration of once being one of worlds best strikers only for a few years later to pretty much be a laughing stock to most people just because of a price tag. 

 

He hasn't been what we all hoped he would be but to to some he hasn't been as bad as others think. If he had cost 20 million then he wouldn't get half the abuse he gets at the moment. 

 

If he cost 20m and wasn't a big name, he wouldn't be playing as much as he did, and wouldn't be given even a fraction of those opportunities to improve after months and months of godawful performances. It goes both ways, that argument.

 

Arguably, we're in position we're in as a team this season because despite all signs to the contrary the board decided he's stil worth a gamble and had him as our starting striker, with only Sturridge as a backup. True world class strikers, like RVP and Falcao, carry their respective teams and score goals in games where otherwise their teams would have dropped points. Torres never did that for us in over two years. Let's be honest here: he's been a burden, not a solution, and the faster we get rid of him, the easier it'll get for both parties involved.

 

Also, for those, who suggest that he'd be OK sitting on a bench and being our back up option. Let me ask you: if Torres plays the way he does now after being a starter for so long, what do you reckon he'll look like coming off the bench here and there? He's finished as a top striker, we have to come to terms with that, take the financial hit  and get rid by any means neccessary.

Edited May 4, 201313 yr by abramovich

Also, for those, who suggest that he'd be OK sitting on a bench and being our back up option. Let me ask you: if Torres plays the way he does now after being a starter for so long, what do you reckon he'll look like coming off the bench here and there? He's finished as a top striker, we have to come to terms with that, take the financial hit  and get rid by any means necessary.

 

our board(or Roman's) insistence with Torres in the meantime has done his best to sabotage our chances for a top 4 finish this and last season. We pushed out Drogba; Sturridge; Kalou; Anelka and loaned out Lukaku, I'd  say that there is not a single thing apart from shirt selling that Torres is considerably better at than the above mentioned players. 

 

Picked some 'spot on' points from recent posts above & strongly agree!

 

After a 'long time' coming Torres finally had a half decent game against Basel. But the only certainty/fact being is that he will revert to his 'missing in action' form which is the general norm' pretty soon. He's holding this Team back 'big time' ...

Torres just 'taking the money' and literally sitting out his remaining Contract years (the very worst scenario) will continue to hurt us due to FFP.

The money we are throwing down the plug hole each week paying his ridiculous salary could definitely fund much, much better options/purchases elsewhere!

Edited May 4, 201313 yr by cfcblue

If he has done enough to convince Roman, then the boy is a stayer, 20 goals is 20 goals,

 

 

Surely you can grasp how wrong that bolded statement is? You just judge a forward by the number of goals scored? Because he has got 20 goals he has therefore had a great season? So by that thinking Paddy Madden's 20 odd goals for Yeovil are just the same as RVP's goals for United? No difference?

 

Of course that's rubbish. You take into account who the goals were scored against, the level of the opposition and the all round performance of the player. At least you do if you understand anything about football, which, unfortunately, is why you may be right about Roman opinion.

Edited May 4, 201313 yr by just

We all agree that we need a new striker, when José comes in he'll have a bit of a job to do.

 

Lukaku should definitely be in our plans, and im pretty sure we'll see a new striker come in as well.

 

Where does that leave us with Ba and Torres when we keep playing with 1 striker up front? Im glad I don't have to solve it.

I'm glad Torres had a good game the other night, or this thread might have gone into meltdown........... Oh wait!

Lets put it this way Adebayor has more goals than Torres in the EPL in 20 less games for your lot and he might have secured you a spot in the CL last season if it wasn't for us winning the CL, our board(or Roman's) insistence with Torres in the meantime has done his best to sabotage our chances for a top 4 finish this and last season. We pushed out Drogba; Sturridge; Kalou; Anelka and loaned out Lukaku, I'd  say that there is not a single thing apart from shirt selling that Torres is considerably better at than the above mentioned players. 

 

If you feel differently I'd understand, but if Adebayor was dropped after you got 4th place in favor of Defoe and went on to the press asking for a preferential treatment after his 2 goals in a bloody season I don't doubt you'd be ticked off and no body in your board will be dumb enough to actually let him have his way. 

This is precisely what our board did and hiring Rafa smells of more favorbility towards bloody Torres to me, might I not have been the main factor but it's no doubt a decision which was somewhat easier for the board since they could both try to turn Torres around and have a Fat f**king Scapegoat to blame when it all goes down the drain. To me Torres has not improved one bit since Rafa took over no League goal since December despite playing 200 more minutes than Ba in the League since than. 

 

 

Over the last two years, Torres hasn't been the striker that Chelsea needed. Without reference to statistics my personal impression is that Torres is much more confident and there are signs that things are beginning to 'click' for him.

I say without reference to statistics because I am saying what I personally think is the case, based on lot of years of watching the game (young feller me lad). IF he's about to come good, what's gained by a sale? 

Lastly he's not the worst striker in the EPL. There's a big difference between lack of ability and (albeit a long term) lack of form.

 

To quote Tom Tucker: 'I am outta here' (doodles on notepad and goes off air)

To quote Tom Tucker: 'I am outta here' (doodles on notepad and goes off air)

 

 

And to quote Ron Moody - You can go but be back soon!

 

Las, yoi'll have to quote me, if i said them things, i usually mean what i post..

Over the last two years, Torres hasn't been the striker that Chelsea needed. Without reference to statistics my personal impression is that Torres is much more confident and there are signs that things are beginning to 'click' for him.

I say without reference to statistics because I am saying what I personally think is the case, based on lot of years of watching the game (young feller me lad). IF he's about to come good, what's gained by a sale? 

Lastly he's not the worst striker in the EPL. There's a big difference between lack of ability and (albeit a long term) lack of form.

 

To quote Tom Tucker: 'I am outta here' (doodles on notepad and goes off air)

 

 

Thfc you seem like a decent enough fella, (rare in itself for Tottenham fan), with a reasonable view on most football topics you post on, but please be specific. What are the signs you have seen that things are beginning to click for him?

 

And "if he's about to come good"? You do realise we have been here before with Torres right? Many times in fact. And you must have heard the old saying about if your aunite had balls she'd be your uncle? Well that's the same application of the word "if". "If" is simply wishful thinking that, based on past experience and logic, isn't going to happen. The facts are your aunite isn't going to grow balls and Torres isn't going to come good and be a top class centre-forward. So the sensible course of action is to stop hoping and move on to someone who may be.

 

I'm also interested to know who you think is a worse EPL centre-forward than Torres. I think it will be a very short list. Personally I reckon if we had had Crouch or Adebeyor playing in front of such a hugely creative trio as Mazacar they would have scored more goals and contributed more to our all round team performance than Torres has. Make no mistake, as others have pointed out, a paltry 7 EPL goals from our regular, first choice no:9 is a major reason why we are in a desparate race for a top four finish to get CL football next season.

 

 

 

PS: if you have any sway at all with AVB please try and talk him into a move for Torres. There is no club I would rather have buy him off us.

I currently play as a striker for my local football team and although I don't think I'm an expert in the subject I do think actually playing the position week in week out gives you a better understanding

My goodness. You're a striker? The mind boggles. Tell me, when you have a shocker do you trot out the same excuses you've been making for Torres all these years? I bet that makes you really popular with your teammates, blaming all and sundry but yourself. Or do you go into denial mode, insisting you're brilliant game after game when EVERYONE can see you're sh*t? Tell me, do you model yourself on Torres? The pouting? The falling over? Bluehatter, do you wear a mask? Come on, TELL US THE TRUTH.

As for you not being an expert on the subject of centre-forward . Don't do yourself down .. We all consider you the world's leading authority.

Sorry but I wailed with laughter reading your post. Tell me, can we all come and watch?

My goodness. You're a striker? The mind boggles. Tell me, when you have a shocker do you trot out the same excuses you've been making for Torres all these years? I bet that makes you really popular with your teammates, blaming all and sundry but yourself. Or do you go into denial mode, insisting you're brilliant game after game when EVERYONE can see you're sh*t? Tell me, do you model yourself on Torres? The pouting? The falling over? Bluehatter, do you wear a mask? Come on, TELL US THE TRUTH.

As for you not being an expert on the subject of centre-forward . Don't do yourself down .. We all consider you the world's leading authority.

Sorry but I wailed with laughter reading your post. Tell me, can we all come and watch?

I'd like to know when torres has claimed to be brilliant game after game? Or is this just another one of your famous quotes that have never actually taken place to try and make your point seem more valid?

 

I'd suggest actually playing the position gives someone a better understanding than someone who doesn't (you). Your more than welcome to come and watch but I'm sure you would find it hard to remove your self from your comfy sofa.

 

Oh and by the way you can sign back in as onebelo now, your not fooling anyone!

Gotta say it Davey...for once you're way off the mark on this one. Torres has never been one to boast or mention anything after a game about playing well or whatever.

 

And since i assume you play no football whatsoever, least of all as a striker, I'd say Bluehatter knows a bit more than you do. 

My goodness. You're a striker? The mind boggles. Tell me, when you have a shocker do you trot out the same excuses you've been making for Torres all these years? I bet that makes you really popular with your teammates, blaming all and sundry but yourself. Or do you go into denial mode, insisting you're brilliant game after game when EVERYONE can see you're sh*t? Tell me, do you model yourself on Torres? The pouting? The falling over? Bluehatter, do you wear a mask? Come on, TELL US THE TRUTH.

As for you not being an expert on the subject of centre-forward . Don't do yourself down .. We all consider you the world's leading authority.

Sorry but I wailed with laughter reading your post. Tell me, can we all come and watch?

Well that's all a bit unnecessary.

Thfc you seem like a decent enough fella, (rare in itself for Tottenham fan), with a reasonable view on most football topics you post on, but please be specific. What are the signs you have seen that things are beginning to click for him?

 

And "if he's about to come good"? You do realise we have been here before with Torres right? Many times in fact. And you must have heard the old saying about if your aunite had balls she'd be your uncle? Well that's the same application of the word "if". "If" is simply wishful thinking that, based on past experience and logic, isn't going to happen. The facts are your aunite isn't going to grow balls and Torres isn't going to come good and be a top class centre-forward. So the sensible course of action is to stop hoping and move on to someone who may be.

 

I'm also interested to know who you think is a worse EPL centre-forward than Torres. I think it will be a very short list. Personally I reckon if we had had Crouch or Adebeyor playing in front of such a hugely creative trio as Mazacar they would have scored more goals and contributed more to our all round team performance than Torres has. Make no mistake, as others have pointed out, a paltry 7 EPL goals from our regular, first choice no:9 is a major reason why we are in a desparate race for a top four finish to get CL football next season.

 

 

 

PS: if you have any sway at all with AVB please try and talk him into a move for Torres. There is no club I would rather have buy him off us.

 

This is a subjective list, obviously; Torres increasingly making good runs, pulling defences out of shape, creating space for himself and others. He isn't selfish, imo: I can recall seeing several assists this season. He is useful all over the field - he tracks back when needed and makes useful challenges (that last one isn't what he's there for, but it does help). Torres has more energy than for some time, and there's a sense of hunger and confidence about him. That's what I see in his body language and in his facial expressions. He doesn't look (as he often used to) defeated and petulant.

 

As to centre-forwards who are less capable than Torres, there are many. Aside from issues of injury, etc, I can suggest Petric, Holt, Anichebe, Remy, Di Santo, etc. 

 

For what it's worth, I agree completely that Torres is some way off being in form. However, he isn't the worst centre-forward. That's my issue; the word 'worst' means that every other centre-forward is above him, in ability. I can't see that.

Oh and by the way you can sign back in as onebelo now, your not fooling anyone!

ah yes, the "youre posting on multiple accounts" argument. top way to deflect others opinions!

 

 

And since i assume you play no football whatsoever, least of all as a striker, I'd say Bluehatter knows a bit more than you do. 

fark, is that so? and simon cowell is the best singer in the world, right?