He is a bottler

 

Our player of the season (by a country mile) who was the main reason we won the PL last season (we wouldn't have won it without him) and had lumps kicked out of him throughout that season but hardly missed a game, IS A BOTTLER?!!

 

Please elaborate.

That was last season.

This season, he has been a complete fairy and arguably is the main reason the Eva saga happened in the first place.

He is a bottler

In the past three seasons he's been the shining light for players get knocked over/tripped and just getting up and on with the show.  Rarely whinged and was most of the times tackled quite aggressively.

I'd hate to think he faked it on Monday because the going was too tough.. Serious serious problems if so

That was last season.

This season, he has been a complete fairy and arguably is the main reason the Eva saga happened in the first place.

 

There is only one person responsible for the Eva situation escalating the way it did and it isn't Hazard.

 

And ever since then his form hasn't been great, but you could say the same for pretty much the whole team.

Edited December 16, 201510 yr by Nibs

I think bottler is a bit harsh. I think he's struggling under the weight of expectation, but then so are a lot of our players. 

 

He's still creating chances, but I honestly don't think we've a decent goalscorer in our team any more (perhaps Remy/Falcao?).

 

And while we are crying out for a leader anywhere beyond our back 4, I don't think we ever expected that from him.

 

Deserves his share of the blame, but shouldn't be singled out any more than the rest of our midfield/forwards (bar Willian).

Shows we haven't been getting any penalties this season, Hazard hasn't scored yet.

That's because he doesn't drive into the box........just like Costa...it must be a No Go Zone or a minefield or something.

That's because he doesn't drive into the box........just like Costa...it must be a No Go Zone or a minefield or something.

Also you literally need to get shot in the box as a Chelsea player before ref points to the spot.

A million is a little bit to far, EB.

 

To Ronaldo it is 781 miles, I have found.

To Messi and friends 707.

 

Ibra, 212.

Wow, surprised at those thinking Mourinho is holding Hazard back....for two reasons.

 

1) if holding Hazard back benefits the team/club, then by all means "hold him back".  I support CFC, not Hazard's stats.

 

2) Funny that Mourinho is holding Hazard back considering that it was under Mourinho that Hazard won not only his first BPL title, but also won the POTY  (You'd have to go back to 2002 to find an attacking players who won BPL POTY with less goals than Hazard, so maybe that POTY was in part due to Mourinho's expectations of him, no? Augero had nearly twice the goals so it clearly wasn't because Hazard was the best goal threat that season)

 

Just a fast reminder for those who forget quick, Hazard didnt even make the Chelsea POTY, let alone BPL POTY, until Mourinho was his manager......

 

Hazard is a great talent but he didnt win CFC the title last season anymore than Costa's early season goal burst, or Cesc's early pace of assists that would of shattered the league record had it been maintained, or Mourinho's tactics that helped pull out the 3 points in numerous games where the players performances were disappointing (really the only difference between the start of the season and the end of last, no?).

 

As for your comparison Nibs, when Hazard can score the goals that merits a free role (In a third of the La Liga season, Neymar has already scored 14 goals which is not only the amount of league goals Hazard scored in all of last season, penalties included, but is also 14 goals more than Hazard has scored this season....) then I will argue that for him, but its about the team.  This isnt a team who can rely on outscoring opposition, despite the talent available, so it has to focus on conceding less than the opposition.  

 

In another team, or in our team restructured, then I agree that Hazard could likely make a magnificent player in the free role (on the condition that he can become more of a direct goal threat, he has the ability) but I dont see how this team can afford that luxury right now.

Edited December 16, 201510 yr by Barry Bridges

We knew he'd go Madrid anyway, but I wouldn't want it in these circumstances.

Hazard gets more blame than someone who won us medals and brought the fans so much enjoyable football deserves. And it's not even like he is bad - he is still the best player we have. But he doesn't quite win us the league anymore, and so he gets taunted and derided. It's disgraceful.

 

I admire him and would love him to stay but part of me thinks that he should go. He deserves better.

Hazard gets more blame than someone who won us medals and brought the fans so much enjoyable football deserves. And it's not even like he is bad - he is still the best player we have. But he doesn't quite win us the league anymore, and so he gets taunted and derided. It's disgraceful.

I admire him and would love him to stay but part of me thinks that he should go. He deserves better.

He gets the best part of 200k a week are we so wrong to expect performances of a DECENT standard week in week out. He hasn't even scored a goal this season. As fans when we know exactly what he's capable of and to see him in this form of course were disappointed. No-ones forcing him out but his body language suggests he does.

I'm probably going to be in the minority here but I find Hazard frustrating as hell to watch sometimes, he tries to over play it a lot of the time. He can be brilliant when he gets going & is direct. (See Arsenal pen)

But he doesn't do it enough for me, too much of his play is done on the sideline before playing it backwards.

For me he's a million miles of Ronaldo & Messi & Neymar.

I don't even think he's on the same level as the people just under that bracket such as Bale etc.

This isn't me just basing it on this season, if you look back when there was talk of Hazard for Bale in the summer I said it would be great business.

He is still one of if not the most talented player that we have, but maybe it's just I prefer direct players.

That's my thoughts anyway, hopefully he can turn his form around and get back to last seasons levels.

One other thing, I've not heard anything about his injury being serious, if it's not then to me it looks like he's bottled it on Monday, which isn't good enough when we're in the state we are.

I've always said this, tbh. He slows play down too often when he has the ability to rip right through teams (Arsenal, Newcastle, Man Utd, etc).

Still, even with his dilly dallying style, he is a tremendous player when on form.

He gets the best part of 200k a week are we so wrong to expect performances of a DECENT standard week in week out. He hasn't even scored a goal this season. As fans when we know exactly what he's capable of and to see him in this form of course were disappointed. No-ones forcing him out but his body language suggests he does.

 

1. He is still the best player we have which is as 'decent' as can be expected.

2. Disappointment does not justify a lack of respect, particularly to him. 

3. His body language? He gets fouled 100 times a game, gets no support and is expected to deliver all by himself. It is surprising he is still using body language to communicate his dissatisfaction. Many other players, even club-legends like Rooney, hand in transfer requests in times much better than this.

1. He is still the best player we have which is as 'decent' as can be expected.

2. Disappointment does not justify a lack of respect, particularly to him.

3. His body language? He gets fouled 100 times a game, gets no support and is expected to deliver all by himself. It is surprising he is still using body language to communicate his dissatisfaction. Many other players, even club-legends like Rooney, hand in transfer requests in times much better than this.

Exactly I've seen him with ripped socks and bleeding cuts still walking around the pitch ready for the ball. But yesterday he got knocked over by Vardy and literally couldn't be bothered.

Hazard, under the management of Mourinho, was the one of the reasons we won the title.

 

Or more simply put, Mourinho has won multiple BPL titles without Hazard, has Hazard ever won the BPL without Mourinho?

You gave Jose too much credit. We were playing crap for most of the second half of last season ( no point debating about it), it's usually Hazard dragged us out of the sh1t we were in. Jose pretty much set the same team week in week out, and Hazard did all the hard work. This season Jose couldn't get anything out of of his players  ( include Hazard), and somehow it was all Hazard's fault. Hazard would win titles without Jose, let him play for the other top 3 teams in the league and he will do it easy. Like I said before, I hate it come down to pick either Jose or Hazard, but if that day ever comes, I will pick the best player over a great manager who couldn't inspire the majority of the team. Just give him the No 10 role and let him play, there's nothing to lose. The public bashing of 'Hazard is not a number 10' by Jose was ridiculous and completely out of the line, it was as bad as Fat Waiter said ' Torres is a great striker' 3 seasons ago.

Exactly I've seen him with ripped socks and bleeding cuts still walking around the pitch ready for the ball. But yesterday he got knocked over by Vardy and literally couldn't be bothered.

 

Wouldn't you say it's possible for someone to have internal injuries we can't see on a camera?

Wouldn't you say it's possible for someone to have internal injuries we can't see on a camera?

Yeah definitely, but the way he turned around and just stormed off like "f*ck it" there's a certain manner of going about things and the way he chose wasn't the right way.

​Eden Hazard has been accused by a Belgian newspaper of faking his hip injury against Leicester in an attempt to ‘boycott’ Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho.

 

Hazard was substituted after half an hour of Chelsea’s 2-1 defeat to Leicester on Monday, with the Belgian claiming he was unable to play on after a heavy challenge from Jamie Vardy.

 

 

The winger re-entered the field of play immediately after receiving treatment on the sideline, only to walk straight back off again and make his way down the tunnel, much to the bemusement of Mourinho and the medical staff. 

 

Mourinho branded Hazard’s injury as “serious” although there was more than a hint of sarcasm in the Portuguese coach's voice and now newspaper reports in the the 24-year-old’s native Belgium have questioned the winger.

 

https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/677054654417608704/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

Hazard will undergo a scan on the hip injury in order to evaluate its severity, but it is thought he will be fit to face Sunderland on Saturday.

 

 

Below is Mourinho's original take on Hazard's injury.

 

"The only thing I know is in 10 seconds he made the decision himself. It must be a serious injury as he made the decision himself and just left the pitch. 

 

 

"It must be something important. His first reaction was ‘I can’t’ but then he wanted to try. Then he said he couldn’t do it and it was him in a few seconds that had three different perspectives.

 

"He is injured, clearly. I don’t have time to understand what the injury was during the game, now I will have time to understand. Clearly he tried, but he felt immediately he couldn’t carry on.

 

http://www.90min.com/posts/2804065-belgian-newspaper-accuses-eden-hazard-of-faking-injury-during-chelsea-s-loss-to-leicester-city?a_aid=35507

Wow, surprised at those thinking Mourinho is holding Hazard back....for two reasons.

 

1) if holding Hazard back benefits the team/club, then by all means "hold him back".  I support CFC, not Hazard's stats.

 

2) Funny that Mourinho is holding Hazard back considering that it was under Mourinho that Hazard won not only his first BPL title, but also won the POTY  (You'd have to go back to 2002 to find an attacking players who won BPL POTY with less goals than Hazard, so maybe that POTY was in part due to Mourinho's expectations of him, no? Augero had nearly twice the goals so it clearly wasn't because Hazard was the best goal threat that season)

 

Just a fast reminder for those who forget quick, Hazard didnt even make the Chelsea POTY, let alone BPL POTY, until Mourinho was his manager......

 

Hazard is a great talent but he didnt win CFC the title last season anymore than Costa's early season goal burst, or Cesc's early pace of assists that would of shattered the league record had it been maintained, or Mourinho's tactics that helped pull out the 3 points in numerous games where the players performances were disappointing (really the only difference between the start of the season and the end of last, no?).

 

As for your comparison Nibs, when Hazard can score the goals that merits a free role (In a third of the La Liga season, Neymar has already scored 14 goals which is not only the amount of league goals Hazard scored in all of last season, penalties included, but is also 14 goals more than Hazard has scored this season....) then I will argue that for him, but its about the team.  This isnt a team who can rely on outscoring opposition, despite the talent available, so it has to focus on conceding less than the opposition.  

 

In another team, or in our team restructured, then I agree that Hazard could likely make a magnificent player in the free role (on the condition that he can become more of a direct goal threat, he has the ability) but I dont see how this team can afford that luxury right now.

 

 

There are of course two sides to every argument Barry and both have merits.

 

But you are crediting Jose with Hazard getting POTY when it could well be down to his natural progression and him starting to reach his peak. So Jose gets credit for Hazards form last year should he get the criticism for his form this season? Not sure if Neymar would have carried us over the line last season like Hazard did.

 

And Neymar - let's see if his record would be anywhere near as good in a tougher league like the PL where there aren't easy games most weeks and he didn't have Messi and Suarez alongside him. Totally unfair comparison. Hazard IS by far our most naturally gifted player and IMO on that basis should be given the proper No.10 role. IF and when he moves, I'm sure his new club would look to do exactly that.

Papa Hazard has come out and said Eden is really injured and he still gets on with Jose.

He would say that but then again why day anything if its false

Bet he plays and scores on Saturday!

Bet he plays and scores on Saturday!

Wouldn't mind so long as we win!

Bet he plays and scores on Saturday!

I will be furious that he's even fit for the weekend after acting like he'd broken his hip on Monday.

Even angrier if he turns in a performance like last year, which will prove he has downed tools this year.

There are of course two sides to every argument Barry and both have merits.

 

But you are crediting Jose with Hazard getting POTY when it could well be down to his natural progression and him starting to reach his peak. So Jose gets credit for Hazards form last year should he get the criticism for his form this season? Not sure if Neymar would have carried us over the line last season like Hazard did.

 

And Neymar - let's see if his record would be anywhere near as good in a tougher league like the PL where there aren't easy games most weeks and he didn't have Messi and Suarez alongside him. Totally unfair comparison. Hazard IS by far our most naturally gifted player and IMO on that basis should be given the proper No.10 role. IF and when he moves, I'm sure his new club would look to do exactly that.

 

it's such an empty, superficial comparison anyway.

 

oh neymar plays on the left for barca and hazard on the left for chelsea... so they are comparable? in different teams, with different teammates and different instructions. neymar is a forward. hazard is not. I'm so bored of this idea that you can credit the manager with his form when he plays well, but once he plays badly he's an overrated mercenary. no credit given to a player who has never once complained. I don't think I can recall a player get kicked as much as eden last season on his way to dragging us to the title. even when the team ran out of energy this guy kept going, never missed a game and never once hid. and now because his form is bad (actually, merely inconsistent is probably closer to the truth) its time to turn on him?

 

also do you really need to score 20+ goals to justify playing behind a striker? if you can run the game and create for others that should be enough IMO. imagine people looking at a genius like rui costa and saying "not bad but he really should be playing out wide".

Edited December 17, 201510 yr by g3.7