Double post

Edited May 16, 20197 yr by axman2526

7 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

This one isn't on Sarri mate.

He openly opposed the fixture, but had no choice but to participate.

I am sure the board didn't pick the team, but I am also sure Sarri was obliged to give a certain number of big names a run out.

With hindsight it's easy to say this person or that person should have been fully rested, but an injury to any player expected to start the final would have been greeted with the same response.

It was a insanely stupid fixture to arrange prior to the biggest game of the season, and that's on the club not Sarri.

The potential positives (staying fresh and sharp) were always going to be greatly outweighed by the potential negatives (injury to key players) and we have come a cropper, bigtime. It's not Sarri's fault though, and to try and pin blame on him is just a bit odd really...

Yeah speaking out of anger did me no favours. You are right, Ruben was just unlucky it happened to him. Could have been someone like say Higuain who we do not expect to be here next season and, rightly or wrongly, the reaction would likely have been far less angry.

I just wish we would have treated this more like a pre season friendly than a game of real importance. We went with a strong team, I was shocked when I saw the line up if I am honest. I thought we would  go with a pre season side using youth players and those who are often back ups and rest our star players, say like Green, James, Chalobah, Ghuri, Zappa, Kova, Barkley, Gallagher, Pedro, Higuain, Ugbo.

Like you said easy with hindsight.

I really wish the management to be held responsible for this but we all know it doesn't work like that around here

39 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

You were right to call out my comment, it was an out of order reaction based on anger of seeing one of players that makes this Chelsea side enjoyable injured in, in my opinion, an ill timed friendly on an appalling pitch.

The purpose of the match had noble intentions, and the winner was certainly not Arsenal, that was wrong of me to say. There was no winner, only those who lost in this situation, RLC the worst affected. Poor guy must be heartbroken.

So for my anger in posting that I do apologize. You do me a disservice DKW though, you think you know me based on a reaction and use the word hatred against me, ironic in a friendly match that was dubbed "the final whistle on hate". I do not hate Sarri, nor did I hate any Chelsea manager before him, Rafa included. Nor have I ever hate any of our players. Some I have adored for the joy they have brought to me watching them ply their craft over the years, Zola, Hazard, Lamps etc, some I feel are simply not good enough to play for us and would rather them had moved on or be moved on, Willian, Pedro and Kovacic being the most current. But hatred, no no, I feel no hatred in my heart for any of them. They are our team, once they are out on the pitch, whether I agree with the choice of the manager or not, if I was in the stands their would be nothing but support for team and manager during the game.

I am probably guilty of over-estimating the importance of Sarri in all this, he could very well have been told to use all our respective available first team players, Ruben included. If so that seems backseat managing from whoever did it an undermines Sarri's job. The coach should pick the team, the subs made, not the owner, nor the club. If that is not the case then he is completely blameless in all this.

Excellent, glad you realised your reaction was pretty daft. See this way you have put across how you feel is how this forum once was, great constructive criticism where deserved with a well written post. Unfortunately the majority is just now pathetic impotent misplaced rage with absolutely no reasoning. Just blame the latest agenda driven target, or be as negative as possible to prove just hiw amazing a fan they are. I think it was a daft game to play, but also I understand the reason behind it and Sarri's hands were tied, so to speak. The injury to RLC is incredibly unlucky, but that's all it us, unlucky. He could have gotten injured in training, as he has fine in the past, or the 1st minute of the final. I actually do see a positive to thus f a me in that we don't then go 3 weeks without a game, which would cause us more problems than playing in this one. You ask any player and they will tell you they would much rather play games than train. 

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

Excellent, glad you realised your reaction was pretty daft. See this way you have put across how you feel is how this forum once was, great constructive criticism where deserved with a well written post. Unfortunately the majority is just now pathetic impotent misplaced rage with absolutely no reasoning. Just blame the latest agenda driven target, or be as negative as possible to prove just hiw amazing a fan they are. I think it was a daft game to play, but also I understand the reason behind it and Sarri's hands were tied, so to speak. The injury to RLC is incredibly unlucky, but that's all it us, unlucky. He could have gotten injured in training, as he has fine in the past, or the 1st minute of the final. I actually do see a positive to thus f a me in that we don't then go 3 weeks without a game, which would cause us more problems than playing in this one. You ask any player and they will tell you they would much rather play games than train. 

Thank you. Just really gutted for Ruben and for all of us, he is a cracking player and I just hope and pray he comes back stronger from this. I really don't care so much about the final now, if we lose we lose. Losing Ruben (potentially) for a large chunk of next season has really knocked the wind out of my sails.

May not be an opinion shared by many but I believe he is now our most important midfielder.

I don't care if there was some kind of agreement in place for us to use our starters for yesterdays match. The minute we inspected that pitch someone had to realize it would be risky to play on it and we should have either played the youngsters or postponed/cancelled the game.

16 minutes ago, dkw said:

Excellent, glad you realised your reaction was pretty daft. See this way you have put across how you feel is how this forum once was, great constructive criticism where deserved with a well written post. Unfortunately the majority is just now pathetic impotent misplaced rage with absolutely no reasoning. Just blame the latest agenda driven target, or be as negative as possible to prove just hiw amazing a fan they are. I think it was a daft game to play, but also I understand the reason behind it and Sarri's hands were tied, so to speak. The injury to RLC is incredibly unlucky, but that's all it us, unlucky. He could have gotten injured in training, as he has fine in the past, or the 1st minute of the final. I actually do see a positive to thus f a me in that we don't then go 3 weeks without a game, which would cause us more problems than playing in this one. You ask any player and they will tell you they would much rather play games than train. 

It's why at the time I was ok with the game. We needed to play 

Liverpool Tottenham and arsenal will all play games behind closed doors. But the pitch will be a different standard and in our case, Ruben would be managed so that he wouldn't be risked on a bad pitch. 

I am assuming it's why sarri has been silent. He didn't like any of this and decided better to say nothing than to criticise or say something he didn't believe. 

 

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I don't care if there was some kind of agreement in place for us to use our starters for yesterdays match. The minute we inspected that pitch someone had to realize it would be risky to play on it and we should have either played the youngsters or postponed/cancelled the game.

Yup. Weird for me to agree with you!!

Why are people blaming Sarri?! 

Got to go upstairs to point the fingers for this one. You'll find that it's full of people who don't 'get' football.

Did you guys see Sarri kicked Ruben in the achilles just before it snapped?! It was awful. Such a bad man. I think we should sack the man.....

Anyway sad news and most unfortunate. Just before a major final. Hope he is fit to train with us the full Pre-season at least. 

14 minutes ago, Sindre said:

I am not so sure.

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/videos/v/2019/05/16/second-half--final-whistle-on-hate--new-england-revolution-v-che-AzcnRzaDE6feHxSIjmEsbYTmmWuOMu9Z

After 25:03 you get a close look at the situation. To me it looks like he steps on some rough patch of the grass and then his left foot somehow gets stuck in the grass which leads to his injury.

Yeah, I'm just speculating really. with non-contact injuries its sometimes impossible to tell the cause of the injury.

19 minutes ago, Le Fantôme Noir said:

Why are people blaming Sarri?! 

Got to go upstairs to point the fingers for this one. You'll find that it's full of people who don't 'get' football.

I have been one of Sarri's advocates on here but I think he deserves his share of blame on this one unless he was specifically instructed to play Ruben.

I get that we had to put a strong team out initially but there was no need to risk Ruben given his injury record and his new found importance to the set up, totally unnecessary.

14 minutes ago, evissy said:

Anyway sad news and most unfortunate. Just before a major final. Hope he is fit to train with us the full Pre-season at least. 

If he kicks a ball in a Chelsea shirt before Christmas then his comeback has gone ok.

Gutted for him. His integration and progression been one of the highlights of the season.

I hope he comes back strong. 

We can always give things a positive spin.

We delay our transfer ban to January, by that point with RLC and Hudson Odoi coming back it will feel like two new players.

I just hope we give them a chance again, rather than replace them this summer. As long as Sarri stays I don’t think they will find it too difficult to get back in the side.

10 minutes ago, Argo said:

I have been one of Sarri's advocates on here but I think he deserves his share of blame on this one unless he was specifically instructed to play Ruben.

I get that we had to put a strong team out initially but there was no need to risk Ruben given his injury record and his new found importance to the set up, totally unnecessary.

Maybe. 

Possibly he tried to manage that risk by giving him less minutes (from the bench) and it backfired, but this game should never have taken place and that pitch put our entire squad in danger.

43 minutes ago, Argo said:

I have been one of Sarri's advocates on here but I think he deserves his share of blame on this one unless he was specifically instructed to play Ruben.

I get that we had to put a strong team out initially but there was no need to risk Ruben given his injury record and his new found importance to the set up, totally unnecessary.

I think we all have to agree this injury could have happened at anytime. Just not sure why we were risking him in a game with no meaning given Sarri's stance throughout the season that his back needed to be very carefully managed. Anyone who has back problems will tell you the best thing that you can do for it is rest coupled with gentle exercise, why take the risk with such a big match around the corner.

I do hope the club now take onboard though that 'post' season friendlies are really a step too far irrespective of us playing in a final. These are a relatively new thing, whilst I get the marketing opportunity it affords the club we have to remember that our players are professional athletes whose bodies need a period of rest especially after a season coming off a world cup. 

Lets have it right, this anti-antisemitism promoting friendly to raise money for local affiliated organisations was the owner's pet project in collaboration with another silly money rich family The Krafts. The match shirts are  to be auctioned off to raise $, the gate proceeds etc. 

If Roman saw fit to risk millions of quids worth of his talent on a very very poor playing surface in very wet conditions then you could say that's his prerogative, and yes the cause is a worthy one.

However although gutted for Ruben, we should consider ourselves lucky no body else got hurt, a NER player was out injured way before Ruben so the conditions and risk was there for ALL to see before KO and during the match.  Blame is a strong word, I see the usual 'incompetence' and 'authoritarian decision making' that seem to blight the club at every turn the last few seasons. And yes agreed Ruben could have done his Achilles t anywhere, anytime, BUT he just happened to do it yesterday in a friendly and we are very much weakened without his commanding forward running presence in the EL Final, that's a fact. 

No use in crying over spilt milk though, lets hope Sarri can transform Barkley & Kova into world beaters over the next week 1/2 and Kante gets fitness to start.

Papers saying that Ruben could be out for 12 months as his injury is apparently worse than CHO. 

Awful if true. 

Just now, JM7 said:

Papers saying that Ruben could be out for 12 months as his injury is apparently worse than CHO. 

Awful if true. 

Really is if true, spoils next season as well as the final. I was really looking forward to him continuing to improve next season.

 

Step on up Mason Mount and Christian Pulisic.

18 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Papers saying that Ruben could be out for 12 months as his injury is apparently worse than CHO. 

Awful if true. 

The papers know f**k all as usual, it will be at least a few days before they can do a scan due to the swelling so its all made up sh*t. 

I blame Kenyon 

I'm not even that concerned about the Europa League Final at this point. We will be without two of our best players to start the season, and in some cases, a ruptured Achilles tendon depending on how serious it is, can have long term hindrances on the player. Leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.

Honestly I’m gutted when I saw Callum and RLC starting and us looking a different team, it was for me the highlight of the season,  then to lose Callum now this...

If anything RLC is more of a loss in my view as he is older and had changed it round this season after looking like he might not make it, we knew he was good but something was missing and recently it just clicked and he was a serious thread and much needed power in our very small midfield.

Gutted for him and the team, I watched the video of them pulling up bits of turf, absolutely shocking to have our first team play on that before a final and judging by the managers reaction he was pushed to start the team contractually.

If I was him I would have flat out refused to let the players go on that pitch tbh, I almost wonder if he allowed it to make his point as he showed resistance to this from the start, but I doubt he would be that cynical and risk his players. 

I also think this arrangement had more political and business adgendas than charitable ones. Bad bad decision from the owner and those who are tasked with advising him on football matters. 

Someone said having Callum and RLC come through was like getting 2 new signings and they were right, now they are both out with a ban impending, not good at all.

I also noticed far more injuries this season we are normally very good with injuries, I wonder if the managers training is not suited to a schedule as busy as the PL hopefully if it’s the case he will adjust accordingly next season. 

I blame anti-semitism and all those w**ker fans who just can’t resist singing certain songs. If it wasn’t for that we wouldn’t have been over there. 

Edited May 16, 20197 yr by Munkworth