If we get up to 40m, I think that is as much as everton would ever receive in the future, even if he develops into a world class player.

It is the absolute maximum a club with everton current ambitions will ever get for a centre back.

I can understand them wanting hold onto him as long as possible though, why wouldnt they?

If everton can seriously say they don't want 40m, which I'm 50/50 about, then it comes down to whether stones would push for a transfer.

I hope we get him because he it seems Mourinho has alot of faith in him, and he has a decent record with centre back signings, (boularouz excluded).

I don't mind everton as a club, I think the animosity is coming from the faux outrage martinez has shown when we have bid for one of his players. Yes Mourinho and a couple of our players spoke about stones, but it's part and parcel of the transfer window, just get over it.

Let me ask this of you BlueToff, as an Everton fan would you be happy if a deal was done that allowed Stones to stay on loan for a season for say around 35million with very generous add on pending how he/Everton do this season ( and including the typical how he'd do later at CFC) that could go up an extra 10 million or so?

Edit: I'm also sure New Castle fans thought the same of Carroll but that's football. A more fickle business you will not find.

 

Tbh, no. I've not got a problem with the loan market, but only when we have at least a sniff of getting them on a permanent deal after. I think it would be carefully considered (though I think any deal with the possibility of a loan included would have been at a lower initial fee on your end), but not sure Martinez (or the fans) would be entirely happy developing somebody else's player when we've just sold them to you.

 

I really get the impression that Martinez is dead set on holding out on this one, unless it's for a really ridiculous amount.

Lots of good points made in this thread. Stones will really be an excellent character if he turns down all the money and prestige that comes with any club like Chelsea and then Everton go on and have an average season.

It's quite possible his own form could get worse and not better as he inevitably gets distracted. It does happen. He will tend to get offside with Martinez more as it increasingly becomes a sore point.

City, Man U and Arsenal (and the refs association?) didn't want us to win the title last season, lucky we didn't listen to them either...this is a business, a business where you have to win when you are a club like Chelsea, we want our man, we are going after him before said bidding war which makes good sense to anyone with half a clue, now suppose that martinez wants to have a whinge or we ruffle some feathers with Evertonians...well that's more than acceptable to us if we get our man in a timely fashion 

 

You've got the manager who is most guilty of whining in the league at the moment lad. I love Mourinho for his entertainment value, and he's obviously up there with the best. But he loves a conspiracy theory, so I don't think he's able to get on his high horse on this occasion. Mourinho is brilliant at keeping the press wrapped around his little finger. The coverage on this has been beyond excessive. Matt Law, in particular, might as well have been writing for the Chelsea match day programme since the start of July.

 

I dont blame Chelsea for making bids. it's part of the game and we accept that at the moment and for the foreseeable future Everton are not realistically going to be challenging for the title, and will need a fantastic season to seriously contend for the top 4. But that doesn't mean we have to roll over, and I came on here to stress that, for some of those CFC fans (mainly on twitter, I know) and no-nothing pundits, who seem completely perplexed by the notion that a big/richer club may not get what they want come the end of August.

 

I don't see him being at Everton all of his career. I don't see him being here in two years time. But for now Stones is at the right place, and I think that the main issue on our behalf is how public the whole saga has become. Rightly or wrongly, Martinez prefers not to show what's going with our activity, and I think he expected a bit more respect for that from CFC/Mourinho/the press. 

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by BlueToff

Martinez didn't have a problem talking about lukaku last summer though did he?

Who actually knows who leaked the first bid to the press?

In any case, what are the chances of the champions bidding for England's best young centre half not going public?

It's a bit over the top don't you think, we haven't done anything out of the ordinary in relation to this bid. Everton and every other club has used the same tactics at some point, but for some reason everton are outraged because it involves one of there players.

Gotta say this is a bit posh to be called the shed! Anyway good morning to you all and no apologies for being a scouse blue! Anyway here's my view from the top balcony B-)

Your managers arrogance is described as a winners mentality which rubs off on his players. Well I for one would despise this to become of the future England captain. As for the so called man he is set to dethrone teaching him his ways I would advise strongly against having studied at the university of life for long enough.

The young man will have big decisions to make soon enough but I seriously can't see it happening and have a strong suspicion you are being played as the chosen one is thinking too.

Move on and let man u have a go! Fair swap for rooney if you ask me. We need a number 10 ;-)

You've got the manager who is most guilty of whining in the league at the moment lad. I love Mourinho for his entertainment value, and he's obviously up there with the best. But he loves a conspiracy theory, so I don't think he's able to get on his high horse on this occasion. Mourinho is brilliant at keeping the press wrapped around his little finger. The coverage on this has been beyond excessive. Matt Law, in particular, might as well have been writing for the Chelsea match day programme since the start of July.

 

I dont blame Chelsea for making bids. it's part of the game and we accept that at the moment and for the foreseeable future Everton are not realistically going to be challenging for the title, and will need a fantastic season to seriously contend for the top 4. But that doesn't mean we have to roll over, and I came on here to stress that, for some of those CFC fans (mainly on twitter, I know) and no-nothing pundits, who seem completely perplexed by the notion that a big/richer club may not get what they want come the end of August.

 

I don't see him being at Everton all of his career. I don't see him being here in two years time. But for now Stones is at the right place, and I think that the main issue on our behalf is how public the whole saga has become. Rightly or wrongly, Martinez prefers not to show what's going with our activity, and I think he expected a bit more respect for that from CFC/Mourinho/the press. 

That's all well and good from an Everton fans perspective, we need a centre back, we are trying to get him, all the other opinions are not relevant (to me anyway) if you were smart you would want the inflated price it will do more for your club than stones will, Mou doesn't actually whine he hints at issues and refuses to talk about them, the press push him for controversy because he is interesting, martinez is dull no one cares what he says so he doesn't face that from the press,  in fact he is enjoying the attention right now, and if Martinez had as many bullsh*t calls as we did last year he would lose that whingy little girls voice of his, and like Mou said if he could have 1 presser a month he would and if others could (martinez) they would have one every day 

You got £50mil for David Luiz. Was he proven on the world stage? I understand, PSG are mental, but still... £50mil for Luiz. You've set your own benchmark there.

 

Also, Sterling - £50mil to Citeh. Again, i know forward's are more expensive than defenders but... has Sterling proved himself on the world stage? No. Not at all.

 

see Chelseabear's response in relation to Luiz....nuff said.....and if City and PSG want to fight it out for the most stupidest idiots in world football in terms of players valuations then so be it....Chelsea don't need to join them.  If we pay 40 mill for Stones then someone in the Boardroom seriously needs their head examined because that is beyond stupidity......let him stay at Everton, he gets injured or has a mediocre season, you lot finish mid table with f**k all in your cabinet and I am sure Stones will be happy as hell.....and his valuation will drop like a brick.  Failing that he will be gone in January to one of the top 4 clubs.

If we give them 40 mil then we've gone bonkers, 40 mil for a centre back that MIGHT turn out to be world class, who would be worth no more than that even if he did turn out to reach his ceiling and maximize his potential.

 

Paying for, or even above, his maximum ceiling/potential is madness. Think of the world class quality we could actually buy with that money in a position we actually need strengthening.

If we give them 40 mil then we've gone bonkers, 40 mil for a centre back that MIGHT turn out to be world class, who would be worth no more than that even if he did turn out to reach his ceiling and maximize his potential.

 

Paying for, or even above, his maximum ceiling/potential is madness. Think of the world class quality we could actually buy with that money in a position we actually need strengthening.

Think that is what they are hoping roman thinks, as they seem to want to keep him more than they want the money.

 

Surely, with this being the case, we could sign another option that would also be a good prospect too? I mean Zouma is not Stones either but we are happy with having him.

Theoretical for the same price (35-40M) which CB in the world could we not buy?

Again this is madness!

A slight concern is as follows:

Following the 30m bid ...

If Stones does show any public indication of wanting to leave we may then be gazump'd by Utd?

And our painfully slow, drawn out bidding process method may look foolish?

Personally, think we should have stepped up the pressure within just a few weeks.

Just my opinion.

Theoretical for the same price (35-40M) which CB in the world could we not buy?

Again this is madness!

Quite a few. Which makes this all the more puzzling.

I understand negotiating but why havent we either moved on or just made the godfather offer already?

Gotta say this is a bit posh to be called the shed! Anyway good morning to you all and no apologies for being a scouse blue! Anyway here's my view from the top balcony B-)

Your managers arrogance is described as a winners mentality which rubs off on his players. Well I for one would despise this to become of the future England captain. As for the so called man he is set to dethrone teaching him his ways I would advise strongly against having studied at the university of life for long enough.

The young man will have big decisions to make soon enough but I seriously can't see it happening and have a strong suspicion you are being played as the chosen one is thinking too.

Move on and let man u have a go! Fair swap for rooney if you ask me. We need a number 10 ;-)

Please could you elucidate.

Great username, I say great username.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/19/john-stones-will-complete-chelsea-transfer-in-the-next-fortnight-claims-everton-legend-andy-gray-5349737/

I can smell a £35M transfer on deadline day.

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by Zola

I've said it from the start I reckon we should go up to 35m. 40m is a stretch but f*ck it what's another 5m 

I've seen talk of including Moses in a swap deal... I'd rather not, thought he looked decent pre-season and gives us something different upfront.

I've seen talk of including Moses in a swap deal... I'd rather not, thought he looked decent pre-season and gives us something different upfront.

I agree but not like we are going to use him anyway which is unfortunate, what is also unfortunate is: Hazard 32 million, Costa 32 million, Stones 40 million? it's easy to get bent over a barrel when you're desperate...

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by Oneclubinlondon

If we give them 40 mil then we've gone bonkers, 40 mil for a centre back that MIGHT turn out to be world class, who would be worth no more than that even if he did turn out to reach his ceiling and maximize his potential.

 

Paying for, or even above, his maximum ceiling/potential is madness. Think of the world class quality we could actually buy with that money in a position we actually need strengthening.

Plus Stones wasn't even first choice in either seasons, this is his first season where he is actually undisputed first choice. 

 

...But if Jose and the club want him then just pay the money and get it over with. 

For the money that is being talked about for this young unproven CB I say we are mad to even be up among those numbers, we should have walked away before we reached the 30 mill mark and gone into the European market place, I can't believe that for all the hundreds of clubs in Europe there is not a decent CB that you can't get for under 30 mill even as a stop gap until the likes of Kalas or Christensen have developed under JT's guidance.  The simple fact is that Jose can fix the CB problem and the RB problem immediately (if that is his whim) to simply move Ivan to one of the CB positions, throw Dave on the right and have Baba on the left.  

 

Leave Everton alone with their 'prodigy' and let him learn his trade under the expert guidance of Martinez and Jagielka; I am sure he will become just another one of many CB's in the Premier League, even Jason Cundy last night stated that Smalling was the 'best centre back in the Premier League'; well if that's the standard, how much is Smalling worth given Stones current evaluation by Everton?  Would any of us here pay Utd even 20-25mill to Utd for Smalling? let alone the sky high money that Everton are talking about.  And the only way John Stones will have his head turned is when the transfer window closes and he will be looking back on a career opportunity that he missed.  

For the money that is being talked about for this young unproven CB I say we are mad to even be up among those numbers, we should have walked away before we reached the 30 mill mark and gone into the European market place, I can't believe that for all the hundreds of clubs in Europe there is not a decent CB that you can't get for under 30 mill even as a stop gap until the likes of Kalas or Christensen have developed under JT's guidance. The simple fact is that Jose can fix the CB problem and the RB problem immediately (if that is his whim) to simply move Ivan to one of the CB positions, throw Dave on the right and have Baba on the left.

Leave Everton alone with their 'prodigy' and let him learn his trade under the expert guidance of Martinez and Jagielka; I am sure he will become just another one of many CB's in the Premier League, even Jason Cundy last night stated that Smalling was the 'best centre back in the Premier League'; well if that's the standard, how much is Smalling worth given Stones current evaluation by Everton? Would any of us here pay Utd even 20-25mill to Utd for Smalling? let alone the sky high money that Everton are talking about. And the only way John Stones will have his head turned is when the transfer window closes and he will be looking back on a career opportunity that he missed.

I'm sure United fans were saying the same thing when they signed Rooney for around £30 million over 10 years ago.

Sometimes you look at a player and know the are destined for the big time and that's exactly what I see when I see Stones play.

Sometimes you have to take a risk like United did with Wayne, if it comes off it's an absolute bargain.

100 million and i would take stones and barkley from everton   barkley being a very good prospect whom, i personally feel, will become a top player in a few years or less if he finds some consistency. gotta give it to everton, they really do produce some fine english talent though. 

Edited August 19, 201510 yr by enigma

I think we're beyond the realms of reality now!

 

£40m read that again £40m for a player who might be good!!!

 

Madness!!

100 million and i would take stones and barkley from everton   barkley being a very good prospect whom, i personally feel, will become a top player in a few years or less if he finds some consistency. gotta give it to everton, they really do produce some fine english talent though. 

 

your'e avin a larf   what's that then 60 mill for Barkley if Stones is allegedly worth 40......the whole world has gone f**kin nuts