2 hours ago, didierforever said:

Our club is "sick", so thats your "other side of the coin". That basically the whole club is to blame than the most obvious person? Well I will stick to my "side of the coin". thanks.

By the way, I did not know that you knew Emery personally, I dont know any other way you can call him a "yes man" or a "puppet" or a "sheep"

So all is well in the land of Chels.....and only Conte is to blame? I didnt mention emery.......ohh yeah emery will be such a success.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

No pressure? You do realize Redknapp was sacked despite getting top four? And Benitez was sacked the first season he missed out?

How many years did rednapp get Again? Of course Theres pressure........just that our mangers are under alot more....alot more.

10 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Even after Bakayoko's suspension had ended Conte was managing his playing time. 

He wasn't involved in either of the Barcelona Champions League games, didn't make the bench against Manchester City. 

His first game back was a two minute appearance coming off of the bench against Palace. Was given only 45 minutes in our FA Cup match against Leicester, hooked at half time for Fabregas. 

Then wasn't picked for our games or bought off the bench against Spurs, West Ham and Southampton. 

Made his first league start following his suspension against Watford against Burnley which is over two months later. 

The thing with the Conte top goal scorer criticism is that it wasn't specifically aimed at Morata. He's saying when your top scorer in your team only has 12 goals it's difficult to finish inside the top four. It's a criticism of the team as a whole for not scoring enough. He's saying our top goal scorer is barely in double figures, it's not enough. Everyone needs to have done more to rectify that, the team as a collective is responsible for that failing. 

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He's played 27 league games... twenty-seven league games. Has he been dropped now? No, he's already back in the starting lineup despite not earning it. We are clutching straws if we are saying he has been dropped, he got suspended and now he's a starter after what? 4-5 games he shouldn't have played anyway, 2 of them being big Champions League legs. Considering he's also had an injury and apparently "dropped" he's played 27 league games and god knows how many overall. 

As for Morata, he's clearly at the pinnacle of the criticism, notice your keywording here "not specifically", but mostly. And that's not even a good argument to make, is Friminho Liverpool's top goal scorer? Why does Salah have 20 more goals than him then, and why is Mane not that far behind Firminho in goals. You don't just come out and say "well if the striker hasn't scored any then the other players can't have scored many either", that's not how football works. So he's definitely putting much more blame on Morata than he is other players. 

If the team is a collective then criticise the team as a whole, not make a point about the striker, there are about 9 players who haven't performed this season to their usual standard. 

Edited May 1, 20188 yr by Slojo

Considering we only play one striker, our"striker" is actually on 29 goals this season ... 15 Morata, 10 Bats and 4 Giroud. Nice try Antonio ...

9 hours ago, atomis said:

So all is well in the land of Chels.....and only Conte is to blame? I didnt mention emery.......ohh yeah emery will be such a success.

How many years did rednapp get Again? Of course Theres pressure........just that our mangers are under alot more....alot more.

You did not mention emery, but since that is my optionA, and the fact that you said that I would want a "puppet" and all that nonsense, would not that mean that you called emery all of those things.

All is not well, but neither should all be bitchy and moany too, should there. Our squad is better than pool and spurs and we should have got top4. The only reason we are not is because our head coach has taken every posiible oppurtunity to put down the players, the club, the board. He has under-utilized the likes of palmeiri, DD, zappa, michy - all of whom could have played a good part in winning games/giving rest to the first teamers and taking the pressure off them. Our head coach did not do any of the required things. 

 

12 hours ago, Slojo said:

He's played 27 league games... twenty-seven league games. Has he been dropped now? No, he's already back in the starting lineup despite not earning it. We are clutching straws if we are saying he has been dropped, he got suspended and now he's a starter after what? 4-5 games he shouldn't have played anyway, 2 of them being big Champions League legs. Considering he's also had an injury and apparently "dropped" he's played 27 league games and god knows how many overall. 

As for Morata, he's clearly at the pinnacle of the criticism, notice your keywording here "not specifically", but mostly. And that's not even a good argument to make, is Friminho Liverpool's top goal scorer? Why does Salah have 20 more goals than him then, and why is Mane not that far behind Firminho in goals. You don't just come out and say "well if the striker hasn't scored any then the other players can't have scored many either", that's not how football works. So he's definitely putting much more blame on Morata than he is other players. 

If the team is a collective then criticise the team as a whole, not make a point about the striker, there are about 9 players who haven't performed this season to their usual standard. 

He played in all tournament totall of 24 games(starts). And it`s what you expect from a 45m. player to play. You can`t bench him right away. Everyone need time to adapt and everyone can have 2-3 straight bad matches. You won`t help him if you put him straight to bench. And what other options Conte have fore 3-5-2? Barkly was not in the team from the summer, he come in the winter, and he is constatnly injured.

So Conte option was cut hardly. If the board did not sell Matic, Bakayoko would be involved in the team a lot less and would have been given the time to recorver proprerly, get fit and use with the team and so on.

Conte have only 4 midfielders at that time, and 2 was injured/coming from injury. Good luck with that on 3 midfielder system. You will fatigue your player really fast, because you don`t have options on the bench.
You also forget how late was our transfer and they don`t have the time to get use with the team, style, strategy and so on.

And till the winter he have only 1 option for a LB.

Great job.

When things arent going our way, its easy to complain and find the bad thing about the manager. You can do it for every manager in the world. Just as most of you last year was saying how bad and overated Guardiola was.

Now the same specialist says how good he is, and how good football City is playing. That`s the funny thing here.

 

12 hours ago, Slojo said:

He's played 27 league games... twenty-seven league games. Has he been dropped now? No, he's already back in the starting lineup despite not earning it. We are clutching straws if we are saying he has been dropped, he got suspended and now he's a starter after what? 4-5 games he shouldn't have played anyway, 2 of them being big Champions League legs. Considering he's also had an injury and apparently "dropped" he's played 27 league games and god knows how many overall. 

As for Morata, he's clearly at the pinnacle of the criticism, notice your keywording here "not specifically", but mostly. And that's not even a good argument to make, is Friminho Liverpool's top goal scorer? Why does Salah have 20 more goals than him then, and why is Mane not that far behind Firminho in goals. You don't just come out and say "well if the striker hasn't scored any then the other players can't have scored many either", that's not how football works. So he's definitely putting much more blame on Morata than he is other players. 

If the team is a collective then criticise the team as a whole, not make a point about the striker, there are about 9 players who haven't performed this season to their usual standard. 

The majority of Bakayoko's starts came in the first half of the season. 

He came into the new season off the back of a knee injury. We had sold Matic and Chalobah and Drinkwater arrived injured. Conte, justifiably, didn't like playing Fabregas in a midfield two as evidenced by the previous season. 

So playing Bakayoko, what other choice did he have? He had to try and play him into form and fitness or risk leaving us with only two recognised midfielders. 

Regarding the top scorer quote from Conte, it's your interpretation that he's targeting Morata but look at your own counter argument, other teams' top scorers aren't necessarily their centre forward. The comment about our top scorer being on twelve goals is admission that no one in the team has been up to standard in an attacking sense. Hazard (the player that is on 12 goals, not Morata) should be scoring way more, he's scoring record in the second half of the season hasn't been good enough. 

The criticism was of the team not an individual, that's why no names were named. 

Is the reason our top scorer only has 12 games down to Conte's negative tactics though? Grab a goal a sit back. 

33 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Is the reason our top scorer only has 12 games down to Conte's negative tactics though? Grab a goal a sit back. 

It's like anything, if you are anti Conte, then Yes it's down to him and his tactics.

If you are pro Conte, then no - our players on the whole have under performed.

 

31 minutes ago, Nibs said:

It's like anything, if you are anti Conte, then Yes it's down to him and his tactics.

If you are pro Conte, then no - our players on the whole have under performed.

 

I think it is a bit of both tbh. Stick Salah in our setup and i doubt he'd even score half the goals he has this year. Then again, stick Morata in the Liverpool team and he'd still miss every shot with his feet.

21 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Wasn't really sure where else to share this.

Interesting graphic doing the rounds regarding transfers over the the last four years. 

The two Manchester clubs are absolutely blowing everyone else out of the water and that anyone but those two have won titles in this period has been miraculous really. 

Regarding us, interesting that five other clubs have a higher net spend than us in the last four years and it does make you wonder if we've been punching above our weight at times? 

We've made a lot of money through sales with some quite big names making way during that period (Matic, Costa, Oscar) and you wonder how much of that revenue is from the loan army too. 

Does Conte have a point about our transfer though? We've won two titles recently but we're not even close to rivaling the Manchester clubs spending ambitions in the transfer market and yet there's still the desire to remain as competitive as them both. 

 

Something I wrote elsewhere to a liverpool fan who posted this:

 

Because of the volatility in the market, the net spend is a completely irrelevant, indicator.. for instance, a Chinese club spending in excess of 40 million on Ramires is insane for example and then 60 mill on Oscar. The only true marker is your gross outlay for players,there is no way a stoke can spend as much as a Liverpool or Chelsea, coutinho is a statistical outlier as are the Chelsea players mentioned above and you should probably take it over 3-5 years as teams are always going on about this transition thing. Based on that you are actually 4th over 5 years . You are also 4th since the inception on the premier league in 92, so were you are positioned currently is probably a fair reflection of were you should be. by the way Spurs are joint 5th with Everton who probably should have a head look at themselves. (the later not the former)

34 minutes ago, Nibs said:

It's like anything, if you are anti Conte, then Yes it's down to him and his tactics.

If you are pro Conte, then no - our players on the whole have under performed.

 

Na, I'm pro conte but he has to take the blame, its clear to anyone with eyes that we have played the whole season with basically one center mid. (Makes Kante look even more impressive) Fabregas is so shot its unbelievable, why have the club not got a specialist working with him on acceleration and a bit of explosiveness because the guy can not run.. like at all and bakayoko is not what we hoped he would be.. so do something, recall a player on loan, put Ampadu in there (pre injury) maybe christenson on can step out? be inventive because we literally have had no cover.

 

The guys is clearly a great manager, i'm just not sure he cares anymore 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Is the reason our top scorer only has 12 games down to Conte's negative tactics though? Grab a goal a sit back. 

No way. look at all those 1-on-1's he's missed, you cannot blame the manager for that, he must have missed more one on ones than scored goals with his feet.

7 minutes ago, coco said:

No way. look at all those 1-on-1's he's missed, you cannot blame the manager for that, he must have missed more one on ones than scored goals with his feet.

Hazard??

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Hazard??

oh dear jumping in again. 

I would like him to stay

8 hours ago, didierforever said:

You did not mention emery, but since that is my optionA, and the fact that you said that I would want a "puppet" and all that nonsense, would not that mean that you called emery all of those things.

All is not well, but neither should all be bitchy and moany too, should there. Our squad is better than pool and spurs and we should have got top4. The only reason we are not is because our head coach has taken every posiible oppurtunity to put down the players, the club, the board. He has under-utilized the likes of palmeiri, DD, zappa, michy - all of whom could have played a good part in winning games/giving rest to the first teamers and taking the pressure off them. Our head coach did not do any of the required things. 

 

Let it go man.....he is Lucifer himself to you, he has done no good, cant do good.

4 hours ago, coco said:

oh dear jumping in again. 

Proper thick bastard ain't he... 

4 hours ago, atomis said:

Let it go man.....he is Lucifer himself to you, he has done no good, cant do good.

I can say literally the same thiing and replace himself and he with the club for you. Atleast I am supporting the club rather than one man who is doing nothing but bitching and moaning about the club

8 minutes ago, didierforever said:

I can say literally the same thiing and replace himself and he with the club for you. Atleast I am supporting the club rather than one man who is doing nothing but bitching and moaning about the Club

I find it incredible how some of you utterly hate this man......when I see some of you say he has destroyed our Club, wtf.

6 minutes ago, atomis said:

I find it incredible how some of you utterly hate this man......when I see some of you say he has destroyed our Club, wtf.

And I find it incredible how some of you can blame everyone except for the man responsible. In a way, its quite funny.

50 minutes ago, atomis said:

I find it incredible how some of you utterly hate this man......when I see some of you say he has destroyed our Club, wtf.

Find me one person that hates him? 

1 hour ago, didierforever said:

And I find it incredible how some of you can blame everyone except for the man responsible. In a way, its quite funny.

You are at it Again......I never said Conte is not to blame, actually its the opposite......where we blame everyone, you only have eyes for Conte.......big difference.

51 minutes ago, Argo said:

Find me one person that hates him? 

Then you have not been following some of these posts....clear animosity towards him.

11 hours ago, barak81 said:

Na, I'm pro conte but he has to take the blame, its clear to anyone with eyes that we have played the whole season with basically one center mid. (Makes Kante look even more impressive) Fabregas is so shot its unbelievable, why have the club not got a specialist working with him on acceleration and a bit of explosiveness because the guy can not run.. like at all and bakayoko is not what we hoped he would be.. so do something, recall a player on loan, put Ampadu in there (pre injury) maybe christenson on can step out? be inventive because we literally have had no cover.

 

The guys is clearly a great manager, i'm just not sure he cares anymore 

I think he cares, i just think he is wallowing in self-pity. Something didn't go right for him and he hasn't dealt with it in good way. The Conte from last season would never sit on something that isn't working. Last season we were close to another collapse like the season before, but Conte reacted and switched to a back three. If there was a problem, he would do something to fix that problem, this season he has just let the problems grow.

I'm not going to single out one person for our problems this season though. The board, the players and the manager are all at fault for how this season has turned out.

7 hours ago, atomis said:

You are at it Again......I never said Conte is not to blame, actually its the opposite......where we blame everyone, you only have eyes for Conte.......big difference.

Where exactly even once have you said that Conte IS to blame? All I have heard from you is calling the club "sick"

22 hours ago, barak81 said:

Na, I'm pro conte but he has to take the blame, its clear to anyone with eyes that we have played the whole season with basically one center mid. (Makes Kante look even more impressive) Fabregas is so shot its unbelievable, why have the club not got a specialist working with him on acceleration and a bit of explosiveness because the guy can not run.. like at all and bakayoko is not what we hoped he would be.. so do something, recall a player on loan, put Ampadu in there (pre injury) maybe christenson on can step out? be inventive because we literally have had no cover.

 

The guys is clearly a great manager, i'm just not sure he cares anymore 

In this day and age with specialist fitness coaches, I'd be amazed if Fabregas hasn't been put through his paces. When your legs are shot they're shot.