I don't think he could have made it any more obvious how little sh*t he gives about us. Might as well have been reading a book while tonight's Match was being played. 

i honestly don't understand the reluctance to play barkley. despite what people might think of him, he is obviously fit and needs to be given a couple of full games to get up to fitness and see how he gets on. conte instead continues to play bakayoko, who, at the moment is providing next to nothing for us, neither offensively nor defensively. it seems the same thing as with alonso/emerson situation, he will only play the player if or when he absolutely must. if he can't see bakayoko is providing nothing, i don't know what to say. 

Edited April 28, 20188 yr by enigma

Wow even after us winning he gets criticized. Imagine having Simeone here.. Lol 

48 minutes ago, enigma said:

i honestly don't understand the reluctance to play barkley. despite what people might think of him, he is obviously fit and needs to be given a couple of full games to get up to fitness and see how he gets on. conte instead continues to play bakayoko, who, at the moment is providing next to nothing for us, neither offensively nor defensively. it seems the same thing as with alonso/emerson situation, he will only play the player if or when he absolutely must. if he can't see bakayoko is providing nothing, i don't know what to say. 

In my opinion, he has been reluctant to play any new signing apart for morata and baka (both which were apparently "Conte signings").

For instance, Palmeiri. The guy has been CLass. Literally. But you have to wonder, would he have started a single game had alonso not been suspended? Maybe the PL game before the soton semi. None except for that. Would not be surprised if Alonso goes back in the team against salah and has a complete mare.

Same goes for DD. In his "few" (and i am using that word lightly here) starts, he has been the most obvious partner choice for kante. Yet he has been sidelined. Zappa has found it difficult to have a look in despite moses being poor/below average for a large chunk of the season. 

Morata needed to be worse than sh*t and giroud needed to get us to win from 0-2 down, for conte to finally start starting giroud. If giroud had started against WHU, we would have won the game and hell would be in a decent position for top4.

Now he is having a right moan about our top scorer having one 12 goals. Isn’t this down to him and how he sets up his team? Only once in his managerial history has his front man hit over 20 goals in one season. It just never seems to be his fault.

That's what happens when you play five defenders and two defensive midfielders. You don't score as much.

I honestly don't know what he thinks this achieves, slagging off all of his players.

Difficult to criticise after a win, because, well in the end, we won and his decisions were semi justified...BUT....

...my god I was frustrated during todays game with Swansea.

1) Conte didnt look like he gave 2 sh*ts for most of the game. Looked like he has checked out of the job and is going through the motions.

2) We were piss poor all 2nd half, getting battered by a poor swansea side. Despite a lack of control, he waited until the 79th min to change it...and then it was like for like with all our attacking players, when we were crying out to take some control in the middle. Poor Kante having to do the work of multiple players (yet again) given that Fab was out of steam, and baka...well, he was baka.

3) Which leads me on to Baka! I have zero idea how he is continuing to get a game. I actually thought he improved in the last 15 mins, but he was a passenger for most of the game. Seemingly running away from any areas where the ball was likely to be. What is Conte doing in continuing to give him a game over DD?

Felt we were lucky today, and we won despite Contes negativity in tactics and use of subs. 

Such an odd position, given that after todays win he became the 3rd fastest manager to reach 50 EPL wins...... conflicted feelings right now!

 

 

8 hours ago, dkw said:

I don't think he could have made it any more obvious how little sh*t he gives about us. Might as well have been reading a book while tonight's Match was being played. 

Hard to pick up sarcasm in the written word dkw. Careful or people will get the wrong idea!

He rode every moment of the match, couple of times he was well out of the technical area directing traffic from halfway down the touchline.  Can't say he lacks passion. Also made positive changes last night which was good.

 

12 hours ago, Gentian said:

Wow even after us winning he gets criticized. Imagine having Simeone here.. Lol 

Do you not understand why.

He's been going through the motion on match day for a couple of months now. Everything he does is so predictable if the opposition fans could see it coming. Even when he got something right, he immediately revert to the old way in the next game. The likes of Barkley, Drinkwater will never get a game with Conte in charge, not that they are world class players, but they deserve game time when there were so many wrongs with the current midfield. Emerson wouldn't have got a game if Alonso wasn't banned, and he will disappear as soon as the ban is over. If Conte wins the FA cup, it will be a nice bonus for him and the club, but no way that should convince the board to let him carry on for another year.

59 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Do you not understand why.

Totally! The previous posters made it abundantly clear and the discussion about that has been consumed. 

I find it hard to believe that a manager that has won 3 league titles in a row in Italy since 2012 and 2 Italian supercups in a row. Won the title in his first season with us after finishing tenth the previous one all of a sudden doesn't know what he is doing. 

I am very happy that we won yesterday and we still have an amazing chance to finish on champions league qualification. Let's show some appreciation and patience until summer where we will all know what the club intends to do. 

 

44 minutes ago, Gentian said:

 Let's show some appreciation and patience until summer where we will all know what the club intends to do. 

 

What the club and Conte intend to do. It's not all the club wanting him gone. The man who refused to sign an extension and has moaned about the board all season, also wants to go.

Potentially more than the board wants him out.

Di Bagio is currently Italy's caretaker manager going into the World Cup. 

Unless they win the thing or become runners up, I'd say it's highly likely Conte will be announced as manager sometime in the Summer. All he has to do is bide his time, keep up the doom and gloom demeanour,  and hope Roman blinks first.

That way he's no longer homesick and he's 9,000,000 pounds better off.

I think he's played us like a fiddle.

1 minute ago, Ewell CFC said:

Di Bagio is currently Italy's caretaker manager going into the World Cup. 

Unless they win the thing or become runners up, I'd say it's highly likely Conte will be announced as manager sometime in the Summer. All he has to do is bide his time, keep up the doom and gloom demeanour,  and hope Roman blinks first.

That way he's no longer homesick and he's 9,000,000 pounds better off.

I think he's played us like a fiddle.

Italy aren't at the world cup

Italy have said their next manager will be announced the day after the fa cup final.

 

2 minutes ago, benjsross said:

Italy aren't at the world cup

Italy have said their next manager will be announced the day after the fa cup final.

 

Ooops!

1 hour ago, Gentian said:

Totally! The previous posters made it abundantly clear and the discussion about that has been consumed. 

I find it hard to believe that a manager that has won 3 league titles in a row in Italy since 2012 and 2 Italian supercups in a row. Won the title in his first season with us after finishing tenth the previous one all of a sudden doesn't know what he is doing. 

I am very happy that we won yesterday and we still have an amazing chance to finish on champions league qualification. Let's show some appreciation and patience until summer where we will all know what the club intends to do. 

 

'Amazing chance' ?

We shouldn't be in the realms of 'chance'.  For sure City have dominated but its only a dozen or so games back that we were slugging it out with Utd for second place.

And then Conte downed tools as witnessed by his massive reduction in technical area '12th man' activities.

Our play in 2018 has generally been dire - defensive (wouldn't have been quite as bad had our defence been water tight) and with limited attacking purpose.

The guy needs to go as soon as the season ends.  No way does he have anything in his managerial toolkit to make the much needed changes next season.

Yeah we have never seen him make drastic changes to turn a team around.

Turns out watching the Swansea game like this IS an improvement.

4 games to go....

He really pissed me off yesterday like he has a lot this season. 

Instead of owning up to his faults he's blaming his players. I don't mind him taking shots at his players, Morata should have done better this season, but blaming Morata for our problems when you're constantly playing negative football after going 1-0 up and playing out of form players every single game it's your own fault. 

We have to be the least clinical team in the league, and that is no exaggeration, the chances we have missed this season... It's just ridiculous. 

So now he's alienating players and pissing them off, having a pop at Morata while benching him, that's a good way to piss off your striker. Consistently taking off Hazard when he's by far our best player and has never had issues with stamina or tiredness. Playing Bakayoko consistently while shunning Drinkwater who now wants to leave the club because of the lack of game time. And I'm not sure what's going on with him and our defenders at the moment, Christensen, Luiz and Rudiger. 

Once again no decisions until the 80th minute, and even then he takes off our best player and leaves our worst player on. It's so f**king hard to defend him when he's making these decisions every game. We didn't need to let Swansea back in the game, but we just did that, our players seem to just lose interest after halftime whenever we are 1-0 up. 

19 hours ago, ducavis said:

Now he is having a right moan about our top scorer having one 12 goals. Isn’t this down to him and how he sets up his team? Only once in his managerial history has his front man hit over 20 goals in one season. It just never seems to be his fault.

Shouldn't he be? You need three hands to count the 1v1s Morata has blown so far. I thought it was pretty accepted that Morata has been disappointing since about October. 

50 minutes ago, Slojo said:

He really pissed me off yesterday like he has a lot this season. 

Instead of owning up to his faults he's blaming his players. I don't mind him taking shots at his players, Morata should have done better this season, but blaming Morata for our problems when you're constantly playing negative football after going 1-0 up and playing out of form players every single game it's your own fault. 

We have to be the least clinical team in the league, and that is no exaggeration, the chances we have missed this season... It's just ridiculous. 

So now he's alienating players and pissing them off, having a pop at Morata while benching him, that's a good way to piss off your striker. Consistently taking off Hazard when he's by far our best player and has never had issues with stamina or tiredness. Playing Bakayoko consistently while shunning Drinkwater who now wants to leave the club because of the lack of game time. And I'm not sure what's going on with him and our defenders at the moment, Christensen, Luiz and Rudiger. 

Once again no decisions until the 80th minute, and even then he takes off our best player and leaves our worst player on. It's so f**king hard to defend him when he's making these decisions every game. We didn't need to let Swansea back in the game, but we just did that, our players seem to just lose interest after halftime whenever we are 1-0 up. 

Cant blame the lack of clinical finishing on him. It goes to show had we finished those chances we'd be in a much different position and Conte is likely being praised. 

I haven't read Contes comments but Morata can't be too pleased with his finishing record this season. From the comments I DID read from him, he seems pretty accepting of having Giroud around because he knows he offers something different. We like to make a mountain out of a molehill sometimes. 

Aa for the subs it has been frustrating but Conte seems to be changing his MO lately and I'd put taking Hazard off yesterday down to changing tactics and formations at the end. IMO the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half were better than the previous 35. Maybe he should have made the change earlier which is a fair point. 

I don't think any of us know what's going on with Luiz or DD but I think it's fair to say Conte isn't too impressed with either. 

 

6 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Cant blame the lack of clinical finishing on him. It goes to show had we finished those chances we'd be in a much different position and Conte is likely being praised. 

I haven't read Contes comments but Morata can't be too pleased with his finishing record this season. From the comments I DID read from him, he seems pretty accepting of having Giroud around because he knows he offers something different. We like to make a mountain out of a molehill sometimes. 

Aa for the subs it has been frustrating but Conte seems to be changing his MO lately and I'd put taking Hazard off yesterday down to changing tactics and formations at the end. IMO the last 10 minutes of the 2nd half were better than the previous 35. Maybe he should have made the change earlier which is a fair point. 

I don't think any of us know what's going on with Luiz or DD but I think it's fair to say Conte isn't too impressed with either. 

 

Absolutely, and like I said I don't mind him having a pop at the players instead of overly protecting them like Arsene Wenger did to his, but Conte is accepting 0 responsibility. He brought in Morata and he's the one who trusted him with being our number one striker, if Morata's finishing is to blame then why did he not play Batsuayi? 

The issue is that there are so many players who have underperformed this season. if you single one player out then how is that fair? David Luiz, Courtois, Moses, Bakayoko, Morata, Willian, Pedro, Cahill all of them have underperformed this season, that's 8 players, you could even debate Alonso but I think he's done very well this season despite a lot of criticism he gets. I would also say Hazard has underperformed for his standards but only his standards, other than that he's been our best player as usual which you would always expect. 

And what has Conte changed in his tactics and subs? He didn't make a substitution until the 80th minute when Swansea were outplaying us by the 60th minute, that's 20 minutes to make a change which is just utterly ridiculous. He's still continuously playing out of form players, I can bet you my house Alonso will start next game even though Palmieri has been fantastic in his last 3 games. I can bet you my life Bakayoko will start next game and Gary Cahill will probably also get another start. 

I don't know the ins and outs of the transfer policy or what goes on, but Conte has to take a lot of the blame, he has been making bad decisions. As for most of the blame that's highly debatable, we don't know the full story, but I really wish Conte would open up and take the blame for the way this season has went. That would show to us that he actually gives a damn and he actually wants to stay here and build a team. 

7 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Absolutely, and like I said I don't mind him having a pop at the players instead of overly protecting them like Arsene Wenger did to his, but Conte is accepting 0 responsibility. He brought in Morata and he's the one who trusted him with being our number one striker, if Morata's finishing is to blame then why did he not play Batsuayi? 

The issue is that there are so many players who have underperformed this season. if you single one player out then how is that fair? David Luiz, Courtois, Moses, Bakayoko, Morata, Willian, Pedro, Cahill all of them have underperformed this season, that's 8 players, you could even debate Alonso but I think he's done very well this season despite a lot of criticism he gets. I would also say Hazard has underperformed for his standards but only his standards, other than that he's been our best player as usual which you would always expect. 

And what has Conte changed in his tactics and subs? He didn't make a substitution until the 80th minute when Swansea were outplaying us by the 60th minute, that's 20 minutes to make a change which is just utterly ridiculous. He's still continuously playing out of form players, I can bet you my house Alonso will start next game even though Palmieri has been fantastic in his last 3 games. I can bet you my life Bakayoko will start next game and Gary Cahill will probably also get another start. 

I don't know the ins and outs of the transfer policy or what goes on, but Conte has to take a lot of the blame, he has been making bad decisions. As for most of the blame that's highly debatable, we don't know the full story, but I really wish Conte would open up and take the blame for the way this season has went. That would show to us that he actually gives a damn and he actually wants to stay here and build a team. 

Conte very rarely makes a change to influence how a game is going or changing. It's either he can't see it or is just too stubborn. He did make a change in the Southampton game, went defensive which brought on pressure against a defence which has been less than secure but he did make the change which is wierd for Conte. Maybe the FA cup means something to him for his record. Where as Mourinho is one of the best for making subs or tactical changes.

The 80min subs has just got to be a joke surely, something which gives him a little chuckle, I actually will go as far to say I think it's awful management. When your own fans make a joke of it then it is bad.  Did he do the same in his Juventus days? 

12 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Conte very rarely makes a change to influence how a game is going or changing. It's either he can't see it or is just too stubborn. He did make a change in the Southampton game, went defensive which brought on pressure against a defence which has been less than secure but he did make the change which is wierd for Conte. Maybe the FA cup means something to him for his record. Where as Mourinho is one of the best for making subs or tactical changes.

The 80min subs has just got to be a joke surely, something which gives him a little chuckle, I actually will go as far to say I think it's awful management. When your own fans make a joke of it then it is bad.  Did he do the same in his Juventus days? 

Ernie I literally said in the matchday thread around the 70th minute that Conte will make a change in the 80th and he'll take off Hazard and leave Bakayoko on. Wallah it happened, he's that predictable.

His subs are actually worse than Rafa Benitez's subs that's how bad they are. Everybody in the matchday thread knew when Conte was going to make subs, so surely the opposition do also. 

16 hours ago, Slojo said:

So now he's alienating players and pissing them off, having a pop at Morata while benching him, that's a good way to piss off your striker.

Publicly challenging players to do better isn't necessarily a bad thing though. 

It's not like he and the club haven't been patient with Morata, even when he was going through a spell where getting yellow cards seemed more important than getting goals. 

Truth is, Morata has under-performed. He has lost his place in the team to Giroud because Giroud is doing the things he should have been doing. I mean, Giroud has already scored a 1/3 of the total Morata has for us this season and he's barely played. 

So, Conte's publicly challenging him to do more, to be better. If that's pissing off Morata, then good, prove Conte wrong. Until then he's got no right to feel sorry for himself because he only has himself to blame.