Just now, coco said:

I bet you would be like putty in his hands if you ever met him, he would have you eating Manyoo candy rock on your way home.

ermmmm ok then.

 

4 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

ermmmm ok then.

 

 

A manager praising his fans??? What a despicable human being he would have to be to do that. A "prick" and a "c**t" of the highest order.

2 hours ago, coco said:

I believe it's an act because it is an act. Everyone acts in front of the cameras. You need to go and read up on psychological manipulation.

 

http://fromthestands.co.uk/manchester-united/dr-jose-mourinho-football-worlds-psychologist/

 

I'm sorry but I don't buy that. I'm not sure you do either.

He may be a master psychologist and manipulator but not everything he does is an act.

Are all his moments of frustration acts? His skirmishes with Vilanova and Guardiola? His calling out the Chelsea doctor? His chest thumping and finger on the mouth gestures? His words after the Inter Barca games? Or some of the Liverpool Chelsea games in the past? Is his entire angry demeanor an act? Did he act his way out of the club knowing what he was doing all along?

I guess you mean to say that he masterfully intends to be sent into the stands and miss matches by criticizing FA officials and referees (they deserve it no doubt). 

You need a productive reason to pull an act in any case. So many of the things he does are counterproductive, especially recently. I agree that many things he says are for the cameras but even the greatest psychologists will reveal something about their personality if they continuously appear in the public eye under stress. If you do want to read about psychological manipulation, a random opinion piece like the one you shared is no place to gain any insight. It is very poorly written with no analysis at all.

I'm sure he is a lovely person outside football but that really is irrelevant.

If our entire relationship with Jose was devoid of anything personal, why do people have a problem if the 'object' is criticized? There's a clear contradiction here. 

7 hours ago, coco said:

What you personally know him do you ? The personality you see is an act, do you think panto characters walk round dressed like that all the time ?

Does only Jose act or does every manager and player?

We fans don't know anyone personally. We don't know Stan Collymore, John Aldridge, Joey Barton, Rafa Benitez among several others but we love to trash them on this forum. Yet we have our opinions of them and I don't see anyone raising this argument here.

Before anyone jumps in to say that these people cannot be compared with Jose, I just used the analogy to show that you don't need to know someone personally to form an opinion about their personality.

23 minutes ago, ashwin said:

I'm sorry but I don't buy that. I'm not sure you do either.

He may be a master psychologist and manipulator but not everything he does is an act.

Are all his moments of frustration acts? His skirmishes with Vilanova and Guardiola? His calling out the Chelsea doctor? His chest thumping and finger on the mouth gestures? His words after the Inter Barca games? Or some of the Liverpool Chelsea games in the past? Is his entire angry demeanor an act? Did he act his way out of the club knowing what he was doing all along?

I guess you mean to say that he masterfully intends to be sent into the stands and miss matches by criticizing FA officials and referees (they deserve it no doubt). 

You need a productive reason to pull an act in any case. So many of the things he does are counterproductive, especially recently. I agree that many things he says are for the cameras but even the greatest psychologists will reveal something about their personality if they continuously appear in the public eye under stress. If you do want to read about psychological manipulation, a random opinion piece like the one you shared is no place to gain any insight. It is very poorly written with no analysis at all.

I'm sure he is a lovely person outside football but that really is irrelevant.

If our entire relationship with Jose was devoid of anything personal, why do people have a problem if the 'object' is criticized? There's a clear contradiction here. 

The last bit is very easy. I personally don't have a problem with Mourinho being criticised.  I criticise Mourinho for how he dealt with the Eva situation and also some of his man management skills like KDB and Shaw now at Utd.

Now there's criticising someone and then finding any excuse to just call the bloke a p**** or c*** daily. 

Then when someone has said something regarding the swearing then you are called an arse licker, our beloved Mourinho and rubbish like that. The best bit is we are called obsessed with Mourinho but who are the ones who go out there way to find articles about the man, cry when he says anything which isn't even related to Chelsea and call him a c*** daily, then call me obsessed.

 

 

30 minutes ago, ashwin said:

Does only Jose act or does every manager and player?

We fans don't know anyone personally. We don't know Stan Collymore, John Aldridge, Joey Barton, Rafa Benitez among several others but we love to trash them on this forum. Yet we have our opinions of them and I don't see anyone raising this argument here.

Before anyone jumps in to say that these people cannot be compared with Jose, I just used the analogy to show that you don't need to know someone personally to form an opinion about their personality.

But we still don't really know them personally, if we were sat down in a pub having a pint with any off them^, would people trash them to their face ? No we wouldn't, because we don't really know what they are like.

55 minutes ago, ashwin said:

Are all his moments of frustration acts? His skirmishes with Vilanova and Guardiola? His calling out the Chelsea doctor? His chest thumping and finger on the mouth gestures? His words after the Inter Barca games? Or some of the Liverpool Chelsea games in the past? Is his entire angry demeanor an act? Did he act his way out of the club knowing what he was doing all along?

I guess you mean to say that he masterfully intends to be sent into the stands and miss matches by criticizing FA officials and referees (they deserve it no doubt). 

You need a productive reason to pull an act in any case. So many of the things he does are counterproductive, especially recently. I agree that many things he says are for the cameras but even the greatest psychologists will reveal something about their personality if they continuously appear in the public eye under stress. If you do want to read about psychological manipulation, a random opinion piece like the one you shared is no place to gain any insight. It is very poorly written with no analysis at all.

I'm sure he is a lovely person outside football but that really is irrelevant.

If our entire relationship with Jose was devoid of anything personal, why do people have a problem if the 'object' is criticized? There's a clear contradiction here. 

I'm not saying he doesn't get it wrong, but it is all an act, everything you see him do is on the stage, in front of the camera, down a mic. It's not really him.

1 minute ago, coco said:

I'm not saying he doesn't get it wrong, but it is all an act, everything you see him do is on the stage, in front of the camera, down a mic. It's not really him.

agreed but surely you have to be a certain way to act in a certain way?

Just now, luckywerthers said:

agreed but surely you have to be a certain way to act in a certain way?

Who knows ? His wife and kids will know.

Can't imagine him screaming to Mrs Mourinho to "leave the kid alone" when they fall and injure themselves.

1 minute ago, coco said:

Who knows ? His wife and kids will know.

i am sure his wife and kids love him to bits and he is a great husband and father

I reckon when José retires and he writes his autobiography He's gonna dedicate a whole chapter of his love for CFC and us fans...all will be forgiven and we all lived happily ever after...end of! 

What an enigma jose has become for us poor chelsea fans, i used to love him but then he became the enemy and i have no problem what so ever seeing him trounced, especially by chelsea. But even though i would be more than happy for united to never again win a single trophy, a little part of me would still love to see jose lift one.

It's funny, when he was here, I would absolutely melt at the sight of him and I was devastated when he left, even though I knew that the last months were not right and he got on my nerves quite a lot (if I'm honest, but I tried to tell myself everything was fine).  When he left I was sh*t scared that he'd end up at Manure.  And then it was announced and I was gutted.

I expected this season to be very difficult to cope with him there.  But not at all.  Even at the beginning of the season when we weren't doing well, I was sort of resigned to the fact that he was probably going to win the league with Manure but I could shrug and think pah ok we'll cope.  

And now?  Nothing really.  At all.  No feelings.  No concern about what he says apart from a wry smile and the occasional thought of "bitter much Jose?"  That's current.  Historically, I love the man and what he achieved here.  But as others have said, he seems a different person to the enigmatic, charming man who I used to love. 

 

 

 

 

I still would though!

Is there a press conference or media chat goes by without Jose talking about Chelsea?

I like it, he's fast becoming the Voyeur, the man who likes to watch others from a distance.

 

6 hours ago, Beerqueen said:

It's funny, when he was here, I would absolutely melt at the sight of him and I was devastated when he left, even though I knew that the last months were not right and he got on my nerves quite a lot (if I'm honest, but I tried to tell myself everything was fine).  When he left I was sh*t scared that he'd end up at Manure.  And then it was announced and I was gutted.

I expected this season to be very difficult to cope with him there.  But not at all.  Even at the beginning of the season when we weren't doing well, I was sort of resigned to the fact that he was probably going to win the league with Manure but I could shrug and think pah ok we'll cope.  

And now?  Nothing really.  At all.  No feelings.  No concern about what he says apart from a wry smile and the occasional thought of "bitter much Jose?"  That's current.  Historically, I love the man and what he achieved here.  But as others have said, he seems a different person to the enigmatic, charming man who I used to love. 

I still would though!

This is exactly my feelings on the matter.

I was absolutely devastated by his departure in both 2007 (numb feeling) and 2015 (angry feeling), and when it was announced he was going to join United, I had a lump in my throat initially, but surprisingly I feel very indifferent about him now. I don't dislike him, but certainly the feeling of pining for him is long gone.

I think the fact that we've surpassed expectations and Antonio is becoming a much loved figure at the club and coinciding with Jose's struggles at United, I think it's been far easier to move on than we've initially anticipated.

I still have fond memories for what he did for the club, and I think when all is said and done I'd like to think Jose has fond memories of the club as well. In saying that though, the future is with Conte and the current squad delivering success for the club.

 

13 hours ago, coco said:

 

They may be your favourite sweet at the moment but not mine. 

See Jose is moaning at the FA for staging the FA Cup match 3 days before they play in Europa League. And not happy that they have to play 6 games in two weeks. 

Poor Jose, the plot continues.

 

1 minute ago, KonaKai Blue said:

They may be your favourite sweet at the moment but not mine. 

I'd guess you usually go for sour candy.

11 hours ago, coco said:

Who knows ? His wife and kids will know.

I think you're clutching at straws to bring his life outside football into this. There are many disliked characters in the Premier league from Joey Barton to Clattenburg. Will I give any of them abuse if I saw them in the street? Absolutely not, but I think it's perfectly fine to voice my opinion about them on a forum.

1 minute ago, undertow said:

I'd guess you usually go for sour candy.

Gold star for you.  Lemme guess what you go for....melted Chocolate right?

10 minutes ago, Nibs said:

See Jose is moaning at the FA for staging the FA Cup match 3 days before they play in Europa League. And not happy that they have to play 6 games in two weeks. 

Poor Jose, the plot continues.

 

Something everyone, including us, complains about.

14 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I think you're clutching at straws to bring his life outside football into this. There are many disliked characters in the Premier league from Joey Barton to Clattenburg. Will I give any of them abuse if I saw them in the street? Absolutely not, but I think it's perfectly fine to voice my opinion about them on a forum.

thats right. Definition of a keyboard warrior, i think

Is there a reason why United played their Europea League game on a Wednesday rather than on a Thursday as is normal?