mmmm....a demurrer of sorts: tell me - who has been haughty here? In your post to which I responded you rather superciliously trashed Mourinho as yesterday's man on the basis of pop psychology and hackneyed & one dimensional memes. I merely took issue with the basis for your rather pat conclusions. If my concern is with bringing all of the detail out rather than cherry-picking or 'pedantry' as you see it, then there is nothing left to say I suppose. 

 

It's a big fat yawn from me.

If SAF did not have complete control of transfers then I suspect he would of lost his dressing room (or atleast as much as Mourinho has) at times.  He had bust ups with key players like Keane and Beckham, he just had the ability to ship them out before they could spread the discontent....or atleast (if the window was closed) leave nothing to the imagination of the others players of whom they should be backing.

You left Jaap Stam out of that list too Barry.

Player power could never have existed at United in the Ferguson era, as the club would always back him over the players. Whoever they might be. However big a name.

The complete opposite is true at Chelsea under Roman.

I envy you; sounds like you're always having a nice meal every time you make a post

That made me laugh far more than it should have.

What I find funny is that this only got out AFTER he syartes tearing it up. When he left he was thrown under the bus by Mourinho for not giving effort in training, not having the right attitude and that he was so arrogant that he demanded to start every game. Wasnt a player we wanted in our squad. The idea that Mourinho was desperate to keep a player he sat in the stands for most of his time here is hillarious

I speak of it now because it was only AFTER this slump that people started to care that KDB was sold.  Certainly didnt dominate conversations, as it does now, when the team was en-route to the double.

 

Just making it clear that the logic of "Mourinho didnt want KDB because he didn't play him enough" could be applied even more so to Zouma who, as it turns out, was indisputably wanted by Mourinho here.

You left Jaap Stam out of that list too Barry.

Player power could never have existed at United in the Ferguson era, as the club would always back him over the players. Whoever they might be. However big a name.

The complete opposite is true at Chelsea under Roman.

 

 

I think it might have been KEane that said, when he was going for his coaching badges, that SAF told him the two things you needed to be successful as a manager were : Power, and Control.

 

He had power and control over his players, and the board, and the media.

I think Jose is a good fit for ManU and that is why not super excited of that idea.

How does he fit in AT ALL with them? They traditionally want the opposite of Jose Mourinho. Unless they do a 180 I cant see them hiring him. Pep is probably their first choice.

To those who say Jose would change his style of play, he was supposed to do that when he came back here, how did that work out?

United is looking for the quick fix, judging by their spending record in the last 2 seasons. This is the perfect scenario for Jose, give him 150M and he will deliver the goods for the next 2-3 seasons.

Mourinho did so many things completely alien to his normal management style this season that you could easily be forgiven for thinking it was all a deliberate ploy to line himself up for the Old Trafford job that he always wanted. Easy to forget that he only came back to us when he got overlooked to succeed Fergie, a snub that caused him to cry his eyes out if you believe the biography written by Diego Torres.

 

Once LVG announced in July he was definitely off at the end of his contract, taking the reins at Old Trafford could well have been the foremost thing in JM's mind.

 

The only obvious dissenter to Mourinho at United will be Bobby Charlton. The American owners, if my experience of US Corporates is anything to go by, will love the bullying nature of Mourinho's tenure this season, and his status as a "winner". In this sense he is a good fit for them ... only problem is that his dull brand of football and aversion to proper wingers do not fit the Manure preferred style of play. Maybe Ryan can put his kit back on ?

How does he fit in AT ALL with them? They traditionally want the opposite of Jose Mourinho. Unless they do a 180 I cant see them hiring him. Pep is probably their first choice.

To those who say Jose would change his style of play, he was supposed to do that when he came back here, how did that work out?

He is win at all cost type, he likes to play direct football, he already has a friend there.

Jose will go to United, but how is their squad suited to him at all?

 

Mata who Mourinho didnt like is their best player.

Defensively they dont have the players to keep a clean sheet and De Gea will leave anyway.

 

Im sure he will spend alot and win them the league but as pointed out before, I dont see him being a long term guy there....  just look at their history with youth, then at his.

Been a while since I posted so excuse me if I do a bit of throat clearing. 

 

The Mourinho worship is unhealthy. I mean lets say Jose was completley innocent, the players were all evil and set him up to fail and Abramovich and the board were all wrong to sack him and Mourinho is just the greatest, most special one. I don't believe that but hypothetically lets assume that is the case. 

 

The club is three points off from relegation. I mean is that something not obvious. I mean I know I'm just a lowly fan from America who can't measure up those Gods that have money plus geographic luck to attend games at the catherdral known as Stamford Bridge but the supporters do know that right? I'm just a dumb American who calls the game soccer and didn't have a conception of what "relegation" was until 5 years ago but I know its something really really bad. 

 

Even if you love Mourinho that much shouldn't you put that aside and support the club at this very dark moment? Unless you're some Mourinho superfan instead a supporter of Chelsea Football Club how the **** do you justify that? That one supporter with the banner of "three rats" with the font not even filled in so you could barely read it? Embarassing. Learn how to make a proper banner. 

 

I wouldn't even write this if the club was 6-10 but its 3 points off the relegation zone. If your son goes drunk driving then gets in a accident that's not the time to scream at him about how stupid he is, you make sure he's alright, that the bleeding has stopped then later when he's recovered you scream at him. Sure I understand sports are emotional but is this the time to boo your own team because your God Jose Mourinho was sacked for having the worst record, in god knows how long?

 

Maybe the last game was to make a point. To let off some steam. Fine but I hope it ends and everyone gets behind the team so they dont get RELEGATED. At this point nothing should be taken for granted. Also one columnist on ESPN FC made a good point, how do the Chelsea fans even know who were the "rats". I believe Costa, Hazard and Fabregas were the few who backed Mourinho. Well that's irrelevant. 

 

But anyway, I always wanted to talk about this but I never got around to it. A fantastic spanish language book called The Special One: The Dark Side of Jose Mourinho by Diego Torres. I read the english translation of it and it really showed as the cover suggests the Dark Side of Mourinho. Nothing too salacious but the man is like a caricature. I can't say reading that I expected this to happen but the book is great context for what has happened. I never hated Jose Mourinho, I loved his personality, his attitude and the way he gave the club some color in his first and second appointments. I'm glad Mourinho had a second stint because being a latecomer I didn't experience his first reign. With that said I think he has some huge flaws as a manager, and he has some demons as a human being. And flat out the way he treated Eva was a disgrace. Its bad karma and I can't say I feel sorry for how it turned out for him.

 

Some of the supporters are still drinking the Kool-Aid but if Mourinho does get the United job wait until "The Special One's barbed comments are turned on Chelsea FC then see how unamusing it all is. Mourinho was never about Chelsea no matter what his words, he's always been about himself. I hope Mourinho does go to United so everyone can see this. He would've picked United over Chelsea in 2013 if United hadn't picked Moyes.

 

At Stamford Bridge this complex man was reunited with the devout and united chorus that rang all around the stadium. After years of silence and remorse, he could feel his charisma once again inflame the masses. Back home, the devotion of his own people made him feel powerful, and this emotional recognition allowed him to put to one side the incurable pain of rejection.

 

Torres, Diego (2014-04-10). The Special One: The Dark Side of Jose Mourinho (p. 268). HarperCollins Publishers. Kindle Edition. 

Edited December 22, 201510 yr by kitierkatba

He is win at all cost type, he likes to play direct football, he already has a friend there.

United are not win at all costs types. They like to play attacking football, home and away. Im paraphrasing but Charlton said in an interview, United dont worry about defending other teams they leave the other team to worry. If you think he wanted the job, some dont, they chose Moyes over him in 2013. Unless they ignore Charlton and Fergie, do a public 180 I dont think they'll go for him.

United are not win at all costs types. They like to play attacking football, home and away. Im paraphrasing but Charlton said in an interview, United dont worry about defending other teams they leave the other team to worry. If you think he wanted the job, some dont, they chose Moyes over him in 2013. Unless they ignore Charlton and Fergie, do a public 180 I dont think they'll go for him.

Hope you are right. Don't want us to visit OT with JM in charge.

Mourinho did so many things completely alien to his normal management style this season that you could easily be forgiven for thinking it was all a deliberate ploy to line himself up for the Old Trafford job that he always wanted. Easy to forget that he only came back to us when he got overlooked to succeed Fergie, a snub that caused him to cry his eyes out if you believe the biography written by Diego Torres.

 

I got some magic beans for you.

 I hope Mourinho does go to United so everyone can see this. He would've picked United over Chelsea in 2013 if United hadn't picked Moyes.

 

Hahahahaha you think United would have picked Moyes if they had the choice. 

Easy to forget that he only came back to us when he got overlooked to succeed Fergie, a snub that caused him to cry his eyes out if you believe the biography written by Diego Torres.

 

A claim that was later found to be utter bollocks, and now only believed by idiots.

Would just like to add that Ferguson himself said Jose wasn't in the running because they knew he already had an agreement in place with Chelsea.

I speak of it now because it was only AFTER this slump that people started to care that KDB was sold. Certainly didnt dominate conversations, as it does now, when the team was en-route to the double.

Just making it clear that the logic of "Mourinho didnt want KDB because he didn't play him enough" could be applied even more so to Zouma who, as it turns out, was indisputably wanted by Mourinho here.

There were plenty of people unhappy at the time and were questioning the sales of kdb and mata, lukaku to a lesser extent.

There were plenty of people unhappy at the time and were questioning the sales of kdb and mata, lukaku to a lesser extent.

 

I know this is all hypothetical, but I think all of those sales were absolutely the right calls at the time.

 

It's all hindsight I suppose, and the grass is always greener

A claim that was later found to be utter bollocks, and now only believed by idiots.

 

The only people who ever commented on it as far as I can recall were Fergie and Jose, and the Spanish journalist already mentioned.

 

You could easily make a case for Fergie covering his arse to downplay his part in the Moyes fiasco, and Jose saving face ...

 

 

Nobody really knows what goes on ... including you and your pal Stim !

Edited December 22, 201510 yr by Sexyfootball

The only people who ever commented on it as far as I can recall were Fergie and Jose, and the Spanish journalist already mentioned.

You could easily make a case for Fergie covering his arse to downplay his part in the Moyes fiasco, and Jose saving face ...

Nobody really knows what goes on ... including you and your pal Stim !

Don't bother mate. On here, some believe new members are clueless and should never object their opinions. Not to worry, with time, you would get used to it.

Don't bother mate. On here, some believe new members are clueless and should never object their opinions. Not to worry, with time, you would get used to it.

 

Yeah that's totally it. You got us.

 

People should be allowed to make assumptions based on a journo with an axe to grind without being questioned about it.

Don't bother mate. On here, some believe new members are clueless and should never object their opinions. Not to worry, with time, you would get used to it.

 

Thanks fella - learning fast ! :)

Yeah that's totally it. You got us.

People should be allowed to make assumptions based on a journo with an axe to grind without being questioned about it.

Two things matey. 1) I was generalizing and didn't mention anything about your argument. 2) I didn't name names but hey if the shoe fits...

Yeah you just responded to a guy talking about me, what a weird leap for me to make.

 

If new posters can't handle people questioning their opinions then they should start a blog.

Edited December 22, 201510 yr by Stim