I dont understand why are you bothering yourself with this ducavis? Three days ago you told me there is absolutely no chance of United wanting José. Now you seem a bit obsessed with the possibility.

I think you might be reassessing the situation. I also think you have a big old pooh stripe in your boxers at the thought of it. Probably not half as wide as the pooh stripe Roman has in his Calvin Kleins at the fear of Mourinho coming straight back to dry hump him for a few years at one of our biggest rivals.

 

Well at least we know it wouldn't be more than three Just.

 

There does seem to be a distinct possibility that Jose could end up at Man Utd. Although that's not ideal, it doesn't feel me with the fear that it would have done had he gone there when he left Madrid. I wouldn't go as far to say that Jose looks burnt out, but something in him has changed and I think Utd need someone long-term (fans are obviously hoping along the lines of Giggs or Neville) and Jose will never be long-term.

 

Would love to see Jose end up as England coach personally - think he could turn us into winners.

It would be interesting to see how the media would treat him if he was Man U manager. If he got continually slagged off while there I could finally let go of my persecution complex.

United wont touch him if the past statements theyve made hold up. The media are the only ones clamoring for him to get that job.

I think he'll end up at PSG. Hasnt won that league yet, owners dont care about long term planning as much, no former teams hed have to coach against, money to play with.

He turned down Roma because of Inter, I dont think hed fancy going against us except to rub it in Romans face.

Edited December 20, 201510 yr by TheChelseaBlues

Yeah I reckon PSG, they want to do better in Europe

Conspiracy theory or not, Jose could have used a couple of stone wall penalties. Never got a penalty this season in the league until he's gone, the moment he left we got one. It was a straight forward penalty, so as the one we should have got with the hand ball 2 weekends ago. There were some awful decisions went against him and the team this season, all in the space of 16 games. 

MUFC is perhaps the one club JM could build a lasting legacy given that they seem to have a patience we lack and fully support their manager with huge war chests every window. That and I dont think their owners would ever support a squad of players over a manager like JM. They've seen the fruits you reap from giving a world class manager total control over football and transfer matters. Ya it doesnt work every year but SAF won more often than not.... oh, and look at that JM too (50% = how often he wins the league competeing in the BPL....)

Conspiracy theory or not, Jose could have used a couple of stone wall penalties. Never got a penalty this season in the league until he's gone, the moment he left we got one. It was a straight forward penalty, so as the one we should have got with the hand ball 2 weekends ago. There were some awful decisions went against him and the team this season, all in the space of 16 games.

we got what, 3 penalties last season despite having the best (at times, overall 2nd best) attack in th league. Yet people pretend that Mourinho was fabricating things when he was critical of the refs.

I'm conflicted...I want Jose to go to Man U just to keep him around...I also definitely do not want him against us in the league.

 

Man U then back here in 3 years, I'll take that.

MUFC is perhaps the one club JM could build a lasting legacy given that they seem to have a patience we lack and fully support their manager with huge war chests every window. That and I dont think their owners would ever support a squad of players over a manager like JM. They've seen the fruits you reap from giving a world class manager total control over football and transfer matters. Ya it doesnt work every year but SAF won more often than not.... oh, and look at that JM too (50% = how often he wins the league competeing in the BPL....)

It's easy to associate United with patience and legacies but look at their record since Fergie. Didn't even give Moyes a whole season and the fans were calling for him out. LVG is being hounded out after a poor run.

My guess is that it's easy to have patience when your manager is Alex Ferguson.

Have to say if Mourinho does go to Man Utd it really is perfect timing for him. He's a master of inspiring the world-against-us underdog mentality, and Utd are in about as low a place as you could ever expect them to be.

Very similar to how Inter were ahead of his spell there.

It's hard not to think of Jose when you think of Chelsea FC, though. Really wouldn't enjoy seeing him in another PL dugout.

Anyone that slates Lamps and Cech are idiots, would give anything for the players we have now to show the sort of passion and commitment they showed. As someone said above they're not our toys and theyr also human beings who were let go. 

 

Cech could still have 5 years at the top, we could have cashed in for 50 on Courtois, players are rarely at clubs for more than even 5 years now anyway and he does strike me as someone who doesnt have as much passion as he did for Atletico which is fair enough considering what he acheived with Athletico, still a class keeper but Cech is still currently better than him.

Anyone that slates Lamps and Cech are idiots, would give anything for the players we have now to show the sort of passion and commitment they showed. As someone said above they're not our toys and theyr also human beings who were let go. 

 

Cech could still have 5 years at the top, we could have cashed in for 50 on Courtois, players are rarely at clubs for more than even 5 years now anyway and he does strike me as someone who doesnt have as much passion as he did for Atletico which is fair enough considering what he acheived with Athletico, still a class keeper but Cech is still currently better than him.

 

There was no way in hell we would have got 50 for Courtois last season, with his contract running down into the last 2 years. He's not at his best after a lay off, hardly a crime. Cech had bad games for Arsenal too in case you haven't seen them. You got 2 world class GK with 10 years apart, decision is easy, keep the young one. Cech wanted to go to Arsenal, you don't see players like Drogba or Lampard do that.

MUFC is perhaps the one club JM could build a lasting legacy given that they seem to have a patience we lack and fully support their manager with huge war chests every window. That and I dont think their owners would ever support a squad of players over a manager like JM. They've seen the fruits you reap from giving a world class manager total control over football and transfer matters. Ya it doesnt work every year but SAF won more often than not.... oh, and look at that JM too (50% = how often he wins the league competeing in the BPL....)

They seem to have patience yet Moyes was chopped. Most tabloids say LVG could be gone after there next two games.

MUFC is perhaps the one club JM could build a lasting legacy given that they seem to have a patience we lack and fully support their manager with huge war chests every window. That and I dont think their owners would ever support a squad of players over a manager like JM. They've seen the fruits you reap from giving a world class manager total control over football and transfer matters. Ya it doesnt work every year but SAF won more often than not.... oh, and look at that JM too (50% = how often he wins the league competeing in the BPL....)

The only thing SAF and José have in common is that they are both successful. Ferguson bought into the ethos of the club, was actively involved in the youth setup from day one,giving the young players their wings in the first team. The fans demand attacking football,something both Moyes and Van Gaal have failed to deliver,hence the current criticism.

Jose, I have no doubt would give the club silverware but like everywhere else he has laid his hat it would be a short term boost.

I completely agree with everything Jose said about the refs and the FA. The refs are clearly incompetent and the FA are corrupt (maybe not in the truest sense of the word). Both are xenophobic and go by appearances. Jose was right to critisize both outfits. This certainly increased the general angst in his head.

Having said that, the biggest reason it made sense to part ways with him was not his 'antics' or 'classless' behaviour or whatever else his detractors may say. I believe that he was perfectly justified in all of that, and it felt good that our manager was willing to take on the authorities when they were clearly being unjust. The main reason he had to go was that our football had stagnated (for whatever reason) for a whole year now and there seemed no obvious way out! He didn't tell us his plan to get out of this situation or why we were in the situation in the first place. Players weren't performing and none of the players we thought should be getting a chance were getting one. No explanations again. Where were we going to go with Jose still at the helm?

There's no doubt that the players should have continued performing and shouldn't as professionals throw tantrums. Still, Jose probably became too mentally taxing for them. In any case, these players should be identified and penalized in some way.

I was thinking about this the other day. Say Hazard (for example) had personal ambitions to score 30 goals in a season. However hard he tried, this was impossible with all the tracking back. Maybe he was promised a slightly freer role. Who knows? Real Madrid were proliferate under Jose but it felt like we just couldn't be similar under him. Maybe that's what the players wanted. They wanted to score lots of goals.

Just some thoughts.

Good post with some fine points raised, the stagnation of our football is probably the biggest cause of concern, and I think this permeated into the players, I said before I don't know how you individually stop putting in an effort, it appeared their were 9ish players that couldn't function, confidence ebbed away, and players we looked at for inspiration suddenly looked frightened of making mistakes, Jose had shown he wasn't averse so subbing or dropping anyone, and animosity was shown, which ultimately started leading to a disastrous nose dive that our pilot couldn't pull out of, now we're surveying the wreckage, and the huge possibility that Jose might be in the red corner on the 28th!!

Anyone that slates Lamps and Cech are idiots, would give anything for the players we have now to show the sort of passion and commitment they showed. As someone said above they're not our toys and theyr also human beings who were let go.

Cech could still have 5 years at the top, we could have cashed in for 50 on Courtois, players are rarely at clubs for more than even 5 years now anyway and he does strike me as someone who doesnt have as much passion as he did for Atletico which is fair enough considering what he acheived with Athletico, still a class keeper but Cech is still currently better than him.

lampard was done. However the blue tinted glasses lot were inspired when he scored a few last season. I wouldn't be surprised if some lampard sycophants would have wanted city to win the league just to send a big FU to the board . As for Cech, unfortunately a choice was made which he should understand. When he joined us at 22 or 23 he said he didn't come to Chelsea to sit on the bench and he replaced a good and popular goalie in cudicini who hardly got a game once Cech arrived.

Jose going to UTD is going to be a case of when not if now for me. What a shame, if Pep goes to City we could have a Manchester dominated league for the next couple of seasons. We really need Simeone, I don't think there is any other caliber of manager that could push Mourinho and Pep when they are on it.

One thing I won't miss now that he's gone is the childish behaviour which in some case rubs off to players as well. Never liked it just tolerated it.

Just like his after season speech he did at Chelsea's own season-ending gala or whatever. Some of it was funny but mostly sore winner stuff. When you don't know you have already won.

MUFC is perhaps the one club JM could build a lasting legacy given that they seem to have a patience we lack and fully support their manager with huge war chests every window. That and I dont think their owners would ever support a squad of players over a manager like JM. They've seen the fruits you reap from giving a world class manager total control over football and transfer matters. Ya it doesnt work every year but SAF won more often than not.... oh, and look at that JM too (50% = how often he wins the league competeing in the BPL....)

 

They haven't been very patient with Moyes, and (if Jose gets the job) LVG.

 

Yes, Fergie was there for aeons but he was arguably the best manager of all time, so we can hardly credit the current board for that. Fergie was given a stay of execution under a previous board, who had the foresight to stick with him when he could have lost his job, but make no mistake, he was (famously) one game away from getting the sack all those years ago, Man Utd had sacked countless managers prior to his arrival, and, most crucially of all, he never lost the dressing room.

 

I've heard a lot about player-power these last few days but it's all a load of bollocks. In one sense football has never changed. If you lose the dressing room you're out and that's what's happened here. Tommy Docherty once said the art of management is to keep the players who dislike you away from the ones that like you. That rule hasn't changed and it's a rule Fergie understood well.

 

I can't understand a single Chelsea fan that feels aggrieved about this sacking and I say that as a huge Jose admirer. There are things he can do spectacularly well and things he does spectacularly badly. He was never (never ever ever) the long-term solution. He will never be the long-term solution anywhere. We've had him in total for over 6 years. No other club is going to get anywhere near that out of him. Furthermore, he's a fading force, meaning the things he does spectacularly well are not quite as spectacular as before.

 

I've watched and studied him closely throughout his career. He's not half the manager he used to be. His stint this time around wasn't half as impressive as his first.

 

He lost the dressing room. It's his fault. Why? Because the art of management boils down to one thing: Keep the dressing room onside. Simples. Blaming the players is a bit like a sailor complaining about the sea. It doesn't wash. As a manager you have to manage players and Jose failed. His management was appalling this term. We were going down, absolutely no doubt in my mind, and if we went down, whose fault would that be? It would be the manager's because guess what? He's responsible for results.

 

He had lost the players, he couldn't get a performance out of them, we were only going to get worse. He had everything he wanted and he couldn't make the most of it. He had the perfect platform, no manager could ask for more. If he wanted to build a dynasty there it was. We were champions, we have the best youth side on the planet, we're minted, we're very stable and he was free from interference. He also had the backing of the fans. Sadly, his character flaws got the better of him and they're not going to go away. There will be no dynasty at Man Utd under him, I promise you. It just won't happen. He'll go there, possibly, they'll win something, possibly, it will all go wrong, definitely.

 

He isn't a Ferguson. He's no less remarkable a figure but he's not a Ferguson. Both great managers but completely different. Jose will take you on a spectacular ride, but it will only ever be short-term.

 

Let him go to Man Utd, honestly, we'll watch the car crash from afar. We rejected him and for good reason. He was doing his job terribly, far worse than anyone else at the club, he was the one who was being incompetent.

 

I find it amusing people are blaming the players. Why couldn't they try harder why couldn't they play better? How come they suddenly beat Sunderland? Football has always been like this. Manager goes, a huge weight is lifted off their shoulders, suddenly they're more motivated, suddenly they play with a new-found freedom. That's just the way it goes. It tells you the previous manager was failing. He could no longer get his message across, he could no longer motivate, he could no longer get inside the players' heads.

 

Roman was remarkably patient and by the end it was painfully obvious what had to happen, painful though that may be. The club wanted him long-term, that's a fact. They didn't want to sack him, that's a fact too. We don't want to be in this mess, but it's a mess of the manager's making and he's the one who had to pay the price, unless we want to spiral further and further downward.

 

That's management. There are no special rules for Jose and nor should there be. You lose the dressing room, you lose game after game, don't cry and start blaming other people.

 

Edit: It's your job to manage, and if you can't you have to go.

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by Davey Baby

One thing I won't miss now that he's gone is the childish behaviour which in some case rubs off to players as well. Never liked it just tolerated it.

Just like his after season speech he did at Chelsea's own season-ending gala or whatever. Some of it was funny but mostly sore winner stuff. When you don't know you have already won.

I agree. Don't get me wrong,getting the players to throw their tops into the crowd after getting the s@it kicked out of them at Blackburn that night in 04/05 for example was legendary ,but there were comments he made especially this season that were defended all too easily by some of us. Because he's Jose mourinho. And he's a legend.

Jose favourite to replace Van Gaal within the next few days.

 

I am excited - I think he would be perfect for us and build a legacy like Fergie did.  He has always dreamed of managing Man Utd according to people close to him.

 

We'll probably end up with Giggs though - that will be depressing.

They haven't been very patient with Moyes, and (if Jose gets the job) LVG.

Yes, Fergie was there for aeons but he was arguably the best manager of all time, so we can hardly credit the current board for that. Fergie was given a stay of execution under a previous board, who had the foresight to stick with him when he could have lost his job, but make no mistake, he was (famously) one game away from getting the sack all those years ago, Man Utd had sacked countless managers prior to his arrival, and, most crucially of all, he never lost the dressing room.

I've heard a lot about player-power these last few days but it's all a load of bollocks. In one sense football has never changed. If you lose the dressing room you're out and that's what's happened here. Tommy Docherty once said the art of management is to keep the players who dislike you away from the ones that like you. That rule hasn't changed and it's a rule Fergie understood well.

I can't understand a single Chelsea fan that feels aggrieved about this sacking and I say that as a huge Jose admirer. There are things he can do spectacularly well and things he does spectacularly badly. He was never (never ever ever) the long-term solution. He will never be the long-term solution anywhere. We've had him in total for over 6 years. No other club is going to get anywhere near that out of him. Furthermore, he's a fading force, meaning the things he does spectacularly well are not quite as spectacular as before.

I've watched and studied him closely throughout his career. He's not half the manager he used to be. His stint this time around wasn't half as impressive as his first.

He lost the dressing room. It's his fault. Why? Because the art of management boils down to one thing: Keep the dressing room onside. Simples. Blaming the players is a bit like a sailor complaining about the sea. It doesn't wash. As a manager you have to manage players and Jose failed. His management was appalling this term. We were going down, absolutely no doubt in my mind, and if we went down, whose fault would that be? It would be the manager's because guess what? He's responsible for results.

He had lost the players, he couldn't get a performance out of them, we were only going to get worse. He had everything he wanted and he couldn't make the most of it. He had the perfect platform, no manager could ask for more. If he wanted to build a dynasty there it was. We were champions, we have the best youth side on the planet, we're minted, we're very stable and he was free from interference. He also had the backing of the fans. Sadly, his character flaws got the better of him and they're not going to go away. There will be no dynasty at Man Utd under him, I promise you. It just won't happen. He'll go there, possibly, they'll win something, possibly, it will all go wrong, definitely.

He isn't a Ferguson. He's no less remarkable a figure but he's not a Ferguson. Both great managers but completely different. Jose will take you on a spectacular ride, but it will only ever be short-term.

Let him go to Man Utd, honestly, we'll watch the car crash from afar. We rejected him and for good reason. He was doing his job terribly, far worse than anyone else at the club, he was the one who was being incompetent.

I find it amusing people are blaming the players. Why couldn't they try harder why couldn't they play better? How come they suddenly beat Sunderland? Football has always been like this. Manager goes, a huge weight is lifted off their shoulders, suddenly they're more motivated, suddenly they play with a new-found freedom. That's just the way it goes. It tells you the previous manager was failing. He could no longer get his message across, he could no longer motivate, he could no longer get inside the players' heads.

Roman was remarkably patient and by the end it was painfully obvious what had to happen, painful though that may be. The club wanted him long-term, that's a fact. They didn't want to sack him, that's a fact too. We don't want to be in this mess, but it's a mess of the manager's making and he's the one who had to pay the price, unless we want to spiral further and further downward.

That's management. There are no special rules for Jose and nor should there be. You lose the dressing room, you lose game after game, don't cry and start blaming other people.

Edit: It's your job to manage, and if you can't you have to go.

This 1000%

Davey makes some very good points there...I hate sacking Managers, especially Jose, but if any other boss had us just above the relegation spot a week shy of Christmas I'd have been calling for his head. And yes some players have been a massive let down, but we all know the Manager always carries the can.

 

Now I've had the weekend to process it, I can see it was the right decision from the board, it was obviously done with great reluctance and a heavy heart by Abramovich, but after the Bournemouth game I was pretty resigned to the prospect of losing Mourinho.

 

RAWK meltdown I think you will get Mourinho and it's an exciting prospect for you, but imo it will only ever be a 3 season love affair, at best, building legacies is not his speciality.

 

He remains our greatest ever Manager imo, and I'm glad we've had the best of him. We all know at some point he is going to come back to haunt us, but that's the nature of Football. I wish him well.

Edited December 21, 201510 yr by SHELLY

I hope Jose gets appointed as Manager at United-Would love to see him stay in England