On 18/01/2019 at 15:36, dansubrosa said:

Or get Higuain in on loan, buy Costa for cheap. Sell Giroud to fund the signing of Costa and sell Morata, save it for an elite striker in the summer.

Icardi, Higuain, Diego. Yes please.

Even though Costa wanted to leave us 3 times? The guy didn't like it in england. See so many fans on twitter asking for us to buy him back.

Are Atletico likely to turn this into a permanent deal? 

They're not the biggest spending club out there and £50m for a striker with a sulky attitude and questionable scoring record doesn't seem like their best investment, especially with their aging defenders likely to need replacing soon. 

8 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Are Atletico likely to turn this into a permanent deal? 

They're not the biggest spending club out there and £50m for a striker with a sulky attitude and questionable scoring record doesn't seem like their best investment, especially with their aging defenders likely to need replacing soon. 

This is basically the Costa deal too.

4 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Are Atletico likely to turn this into a permanent deal? 

They're not the biggest spending club out there and £50m for a striker with a sulky attitude and questionable scoring record doesn't seem like their best investment, especially with their aging defenders likely to need replacing soon. 

They did pay €66 Million for another sulky striker from us not too long ago (it still amazes me how much of a profit we made out of Atletico on the Costa deals).

Costa‘s poor form since his return to Atletico must be driving their internet in Morata.

Diego Costa: the gift that keeps on giving.

As he exits I have to say I got his signing totally wrong.  

Thought he would be a success and much better than Lukaku. As it stands he's arguably our worst signing ever.

No finishing skills, no ability to hold up the ball and worst of all zero bottle. 

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

This is basically the Costa deal too.

 

7 minutes ago, bluedave said:

They did pay €66 Million for another sulky striker from us not too long ago (it still amazes me how much of a profit we made out of Atletico on the Costa? deals).

Costa‘s poor form since his return to Atletico must be driving their internet in Morata.

Diego Costa: the gift that keeps on giving.

That's kind of my point, are they going to drop over £100m on one position over the last couple of seasons? 

Three of their regular starters in the back four are over 32. 

I don't know much if anything about Atletico's finances but don't know them to be particularly big spenders? Morata seems like quite a high risk investment to me but maybe it says a lot about the general lack of recognised goal scorers in Europe at the moment? 

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

As he exits I have to say I got his signing totally wrong.  

Thought he would be a success and much better than Lukaku. As it stands he's arguably our worst signing ever.

No finishing skills, no ability to hold up the ball and worst of all zero bottle. 

I was the same mate. He seemed to have all the tools to do well here. We probably would've been better off with Lukaku, since he might have kept hazard happy, although I think we would be still looking at that striker position, and wanting someone more refined.

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

As he exits I have to say I got his signing totally wrong.  

Thought he would be a success and much better than Lukaku. As it stands he's arguably our worst signing ever.

No finishing skills, no ability to hold up the ball and worst of all zero bottle. 

We really have made some awful signings in recent years.

Not the absolute worst PL striker we've had, even in recent memory, but certainly the most disappointing, especially after beginning his time here so promisingly. 

The problem with Morata is that like Torres he had increasingly little confidence in his ability to finish, so he constantly missed chances and cut a frustrated presence, not to mention he fell over so often that he called have reasonably been mistaken for the Berlin Wall circa late 1989. 

What made things even worse is that he got into decent scoring positions more often than Torres, so if his mentality/finishing was even average he would at least be approaching double figures for PL goals this season. In mitigation though, we often haven't served one of his biggest strengths (aerial ability) outside of the first few months and he lacked the same ability to play teammates in that Higuain/Mertens did. 

Maybe his signing exposes the danger of promoting a squad player (which Morata was at Juventus/Real Madrid) into a front-line position - as a squad player you could rely on others to do the heavy lifting whereas as a front-line player the responsibility to score falls on you as much as any other player, if not more so. Ultimately he just couldn't deal with that responsibility. 

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

 

That's kind of my point, are they going to drop over £100m on one position over the last couple of seasons? 

Three of their regular starters in the back four are over 32. 

I don't know much if anything about Atletico's finances but don't know them to be particularly big spenders? Morata seems like quite a high risk investment to me but maybe it says a lot about the general lack of recognised goal scorers in Europe at the moment? 

You make a good point.  I haven't seen really any rumors of sales that will come for them this month, so you do wonder how they will finance all these big buys.

They do have Jonny at Wolves that they could bring back to slot in at LB.  But other than that, they would have to sign some defenders in the next 18 months.

Perhaps they have a good amount saved up from their transfer ban awhile back?  It is interesting how much they've spent on strikers recently, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Morata not be bought at the end of the loan.

Atletico have an abundance of young talent at the back ready to step in. Gimenez, Hernandez, Jonny, Savic is only 28, Arias is only 27. 

They certainly have the funds to waste up top if they so please.

 

13 hours ago, DaRick said:

Not the absolute worst PL striker we've had, even in recent memory, but certainly the most disappointing, especially after beginning his time here so promisingly. 

The problem with Morata is that like Torres he had increasingly little confidence in his ability to finish, so he constantly missed chances and cut a frustrated presence, not to mention he fell over so often that he called have reasonably been mistaken for the Berlin Wall circa late 1989. 

I don't actually think Torres had that big a problem with finishing, i mean he missed some sitters and wasn't exactly a dead eye but when in positions to score he was somewhat acceptable.

The problem with Torres was actually getting in the positions to score, at Liverpool his pace and power got him his opportunity's and with us he lost those attributes so needed to rely on his tactical mindset which was very poor, sometimes he would go weeks without even having a half chance which was just pathetic.

Morata gets into positions time after time but has no composure, his opportunity's of a goal is probably double that of Nando's despite his time here being two years less.

18 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

As he exits I have to say I got his signing totally wrong.  

Thought he would be a success and much better than Lukaku. As it stands he's arguably our worst signing ever.

No finishing skills, no ability to hold up the ball and worst of all zero bottle. 

THIS - I'm with you Spiller, I also believed he was going to go on and lead our line for years to come, but I just don't think he has the right mentality to be a club's leading forward... He was a bit-part player at Juve & Real and would tend to make his impact coming off of the bench. Chelsea were really the first club to trust him in being their number one striker, and as the games went on - it became pretty evident that he wasn't up to the task. Thing is, I don't think he is as bad a striker as he shows, I honestly believe his attitude on the pitch is his biggest downfall, soon as something doesn't go his way - his head drops. Hopefully he can go on and do good things at Atletico and we can possibly offload him for a decent price. I'll remember some of the limited things he did right for us, especially that header against Utd. Cheers Alvaro 

6 hours ago, Argo said:

I don't actually think Torres had that big a problem with finishing, i mean he missed some sitters and wasn't exactly a dead eye but when in positions to score he was somewhat acceptable.

This is a somewhat subjective criterion, but I personally felt that his finishing at Chelsea was substandard. At Liverpool he was lethal but the pressure to live up to his price tag IMO affected his composure to the point where he was squandering most of the chances that he received. 

He did have his moments of cool finishing (which tend to stick in people's minds because of the human tendency to examine the past with rose-coloured glasses), but for all of those I could count many, many more misses.

6 hours ago, Argo said:

The problem with Torres was actually getting in the positions to score, at Liverpool his pace and power got him his opportunity's and with us he lost those attributes so needed to rely on his tactical mindset which was very poor, sometimes he would go weeks without even having a half chance which was just pathetic.

Honestly, I thought that his tactical approach when playing for Liverpool was very different to that when playing for Chelsea. When at Liverpool he attacked the goal directly and thus got himself into scoring positions, whereas at Chelsea he too often hid out on the wing. Again, I think he tended to avoid the goal more at Chelsea, not just because of tactical instructions (insofar as that was a factor) but because he was afraid of missing chances. 

6 hours ago, Argo said:

Morata gets into positions time after time but has no composure, his opportunity's of a goal is probably double that of Nando's despite his time here being two years less.

Agreed. 

So will my Morata kit I purchased at the beginning of the 17/18 season become a collectors item now 

20 minutes ago, seanlu13913 said:

So will my Morata kit I purchased at the beginning of the 17/18 season become a collectors item now 

you can always give your kit away to a young one & they might transform into a CFC fan

16 minutes ago, robdog said:

you can always give your kit away to a young one & they might transform into a CFC fan

I wouldn't do that they will only keep falling over then throwing their arms up in the air

8 hours ago, Raven8er said:

THIS - I'm with you Spiller, I also believed he was going to go on and lead our line for years to come, but I just don't think he has the right mentality to be a club's leading forward... He was a bit-part player at Juve & Real and would tend to make his impact coming off of the bench. Chelsea were really the first club to trust him in being their number one striker, and as the games went on - it became pretty evident that he wasn't up to the task. Thing is, I don't think he is as bad a striker as he shows, I honestly believe his attitude on the pitch is his biggest downfall, soon as something doesn't go his way - his head drops. Hopefully he can go on and do good things at Atletico and we can possibly offload him for a decent price. I'll remember some of the limited things he did right for us, especially that header against Utd. Cheers Alvaro 

Yeah tend to agree, was very hopeful. I think it was, as you say, the pressure of being the no.1 striker along with a more physical league and he just couldnt get over the mental block. There is clearly some level of talent there over and above what we have seen (certainly far more talent than any of us have) but just not the bollocks to go with it

4 minutes ago, Bonzodog29 said:

I wouldn't do that they will only keep falling over then throwing their arms up in the air

Not to mention ruining their sex life because they can never finish. 

2 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Not to mention ruining their sex life because they can never finish. 

Hey he can finish he would just keep shooting over the headboard 

54 minutes ago, seanlu13913 said:

So will my Morata kit I purchased at the beginning of the 17/18 season become a collectors item now 

Nothing taking a hot iron to the lettering won't fix. 

I remember my mum doing the same to my Mutu kit back in the day after his cocaine ordeal.

32 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Not to mention ruining their sex life because they can never finish. 

Or being much in demand with the ladies because he never finishes

1 hour ago, seanlu13913 said:

So will my Morata kit I purchased at the beginning of the 17/18 season become a collectors item now 

What does this say about my 98/99 away strip Casiraghi shirt?

(I’m not joking either)

51 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

What does this say about my 98/99 away strip Casiraghi shirt?

dude I am sure if you wear that in a match day pub, people will buy you pints for sporting that jersey