6 minutes ago, bluedave said:

Quite a few, apparently.

He had a good match yesterday so people are just looking for other reasons to bitch about him. Like with Willian, I think there are quite a few people on this forum incapable of saying anything sensible about him, even when he plays well.

People say it as they see it......he might have been semi decent yesterday but that does not include his attitude and lack of positivity, he is bang average in all aspects. Credit is given when its due and he hasnt earned much sadly.

12 minutes ago, bluedave said:

Quite a few, apparently.

He had a good match yesterday so people are just looking for other reasons to bitch about him. Like with Willian, I think there are quite a few people on this forum incapable of saying anything sensible about him, even when he plays well.

He missed two absolute sitters against NOTTINGHAM FOREST, how shortsighted are you ? What happens when we are playing saints, wolves, Bournemouth, Brighton etc and we can't actually manage to carve him out 25 on a plate chances so he can score two from 5 yards ? Yeah we drop points .. that's the whole point mate people want him out because he blatantly is nowhere near good enough. Are we a football club wanting to be up there with the best in the world or a halfway house for the weak and washed up players we keep seeming to sign? Can't believe people hyping his performance yesterday and saying he played wel against forest haha wow that will do us a lot of good for spurs yayyyy the mighty morata is back to his best 

27 minutes ago, General said:

Although he’s frustrating to watch and looks like his loyal pet dog just snuffed it all the time lately he’s scored 9 so far , got double digits last season and is not as bad as some of the Roman era strikers we’ve seen grace the match pitches....just a thought !

btw he is a right miserable looker lately but if he gets more goals who cares 

His record isn't too bad on the surface, although if you dig a little deeper, he's scored 2 against a championship side, 2 against poor sides in the Europa, and 4 out of his 5 in the league, have been against bottom 6 sides. 

It's the misses at important times that cost us, like wolves, Everton, West ham, United. 

I'm not expecting him to score every chance, but for £60m he should be scoring decisive goals for us fairly regularly. 

His time is done here, I don't think he will kick on, and suddenly start hitting the back of the net. Hopefully we don't take too big a hit on his transfer, and we can both move on from what has been a big disappointment for everyone concerned.

 

17 minutes ago, big blue said:

His record isn't too bad on the surface, although if you dig a little deeper, he's scored 2 against a championship side, 2 against poor sides in the Europa, and 4 out of his 5 in the league, have been against bottom 6 sides. 

It's the misses at important times that cost us, like wolves, Everton, West ham, United. 

I'm not expecting him to score every chance, but for £60m he should be scoring decisive goals for us fairly regularly. 

His time is done here, I don't think he will kick on, and suddenly start hitting the back of the net. Hopefully we don't take too big a hit on his transfer, and we can both move on from what has been a big disappointment for everyone concerned.

Ohh we will get a big hit when we sell him.....anything near 40M and we're lucky imo.

23 minutes ago, I Am Gay 4 Diegod said:

He missed two absolute sitters against NOTTINGHAM FOREST, how shortsighted are you ? What happens when we are playing saints, wolves, Bournemouth, Brighton etc and we can't actually manage to carve him out 25 on a plate chances so he can score two from 5 yards ? Yeah we drop points .. that's the whole point mate people want him out because he blatantly is nowhere near good enough. Are we a football club wanting to be up there with the best in the world or a halfway house for the weak and washed up players we keep seeming to sign? Can't believe people hyping his performance yesterday and saying he played wel against forest haha wow that will do us a lot of good for spurs yayyyy the mighty morata is back to his best? 

None of what you said changes the fact he played well and scored twice yesterday. That's all I said. You can't even acknowledge that without banging on about 'oh it's only NOTTINGHAM FOREST', which is exactly the point I was making.

I think you should go into the CHO thread now and shout down all the people praising his excellent performance in there. It was only NOTTINGHAM FORREST after all.

I'm saying he had a shocker against NOTTINGHAM FOREST not a good game, that offside chance was truely embarrassing. If he's too weak (mentally of course as id never dare question his technical ability to a morata fanboy) to be able to make two embarrasingly shocking misses against forest hows he going to fare mentally with the same chance against newcaste in a premier league game ? Oh hang on im sure he will bury it and kick on now after his amazing perfomance scoring two tap ins that were absolutely put on a plate for him if only fans like me would just cut him some slack. Do me a favour, it was callum that made you be able to carry on hoping morata isnt a lost hope for another week.. callum made both of our goals and is sh*thot imo, morata managed to score two sitters out of his umpteen attempts against yes NOTTINGHAM FOREST

1 hour ago, atomis said:

Ohh we will get a big hit when we sell him.....anything near 40M and we're lucky imo.

£40m wouldn't be the end of the world, £18m loss. 

Just hoping we don't end up in a Torres or Shevchenko situation, where he ends up on loan until his contract expires.

He's not going to make it here, every time he misses a chance or 'get's fouled' and falls over without getting a FK you can tell it affects him. You can't teach mentality to another person easily if it all. Zola's comments are typical of someone who doesn't understand another's personality type, a carefree magician telling Morata to just get over it doesn't work.

12 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Morata i'll give him his dues when deserved, just enjoy it you big dumbass, as for Willian, he is just annoying me atm, he isn'

t the dynamic we need for the team

I should phone the manager, share your great experience and knowledge and tell him mate, then Willian will get dropped immediately.  

17 hours ago, Skinnedy said:

But I didnt like that he didnt acknowledge the crowd that was applauding him off on the way out. 

I thought he walked off looking a bit shamefaced, but still clapping the crowd.  He obviously wasn't happy about being subbed, though

 

15 hours ago, big blue said:

£40m wouldn't be the end of the world, £18m loss. 

Just hoping we don't end up in a Torres or Shevchenko situation, where he ends up on loan until his contract expires.

Lets hope that aint the case ha.

I think 40m is the right price for him.  A loan with option to buy, similar to Bakayoko's deal to Milan, with a more expensive buy option.  It's not like he's young anymore either.  26, will turn 27 in October.  40m would be good business for us at this point, considering the player he is now.

Edited January 7, 20197 yr by mwblue10

4 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

I thought he walked off looking a bit shamefaced, but still clapping the crowd. ? 

If he did, I missed it.... I want him to be pissed about being subbed off. I can live with that.

1 hour ago, Skinnedy said:

If he did, I missed it.... I want him to be pissed about being subbed off. I can live with that.

I want to bitch about his goal celebrations constantly. Twice a game is ideal

He was better on the weekend, but bear in mind that it was against Championship opposition.

Scoring two goals is a worthy enough achievement, but he still cut a frustrated, forlorn presence when he wasn't scoring. 

Edited January 7, 20197 yr by DaRick

23 minutes ago, DaRick said:

Scoring two goals is a worthy enough achievement, but he still cut a frustrated, forlorn presence when he wasn't even after scoring. 

fixed it for you 

9 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

I should phone the manager, share your great experience and knowledge and tell him mate, then Willian will get dropped immediately.  

I think i f**king well will, he needs telling sharpish

22 hours ago, bluedave said:

None of what you said changes the fact he played well and scored twice yesterday. That's all I said. You can't even acknowledge that without banging on about 'oh it's only NOTTINGHAM FOREST', which is exactly the point I was making.

I think you should go into the CHO thread now and shout down all the people praising his excellent performance in there. It was only NOTTINGHAM FORREST after all.

Are you really comparing a 60million striker with a teenager who hasn't even played a full half of a BPL match yet?  Because the fact you're even comparing them really highlights how poor Morata has been.

I think Morata played well compared to how he has played previously, but would we call it a good game from any other "top tier" striker if they played as Morata did against a lower division team?  I doubt it.

He missed multiple open chances and his two goals were literally tap ins from immaculate service provided by CHO.  His ability to be absurdly offside is still at peak levels mind.

Honestly, at the level Morata is supposed to be at and with the chances he had against a completely inferior side, a good game would have been a hat trick and more goals.  I'm not saying Morata was poor (he had poor moments) & I'm also not saying he was good (he had good moments), but if that's a "good game" (and it was, by his standards) then we really need shot of him for someone where a good game is multiple goals vs an actual top flight opponent or a smashing of a lower league team.....

it's not like the team was poor or he created those two out of nothing.  If I'm correct he was literally tapping in perfect crosses from the 6yard box, and missed a few of those two... a top tier stiker having a good game would have had double his goals (or more) and probably help setup a few themselves,

 

Oh, and the reason Im posting this here and now is if his sh*t attitude is a response to what Zola told him, then Morata can go do one right now as he is a mental midget.  Zola is not only 100x the player Alvaro will ever be, but also the classiest and nicest guy in football management (makes Carlo seem nasty, and if it wasn't for Kante i'd say nicest in football period).  If Morata can't take constructive criticism from Zola then he can take his princess tiara and go do one in Spain.... and then let's see what his excuses are then.

 

18 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

Are you really comparing a 60million striker with a teenager who hasn't even played a full half of a BPL match yet? 

 

Er, no. That's a very interesting way to interpret the words I wrote. I suspect you did it on purpose to give yourself a platform to launch your own tirade because, you know, that's what this thread is missing right now. 

I thought there was something happening as Sky reported that Seville got in touch with us about Morata. Until I saw the goal referencing.

Jesus how sky have fallen.

23 hours ago, bluedave said:

None of what you said changes the fact he played well and scored twice yesterday. That's all I said. You can't even acknowledge that without banging on about 'oh it's only NOTTINGHAM FOREST', which is exactly the point I was making.

I think you should go into the CHO thread now and shout down all the people praising his excellent performance in there. It was only NOTTINGHAM FORREST after all.

1 hour ago, Barry Bridges said:

Are you really comparing a 60million striker with a teenager who hasn't even played a full half of a BPL match yet?  Because the fact you're even comparing them really highlights how poor Morata has been.

 

 

43 minutes ago, bluedave said:

Er, no. That's a very interesting way to interpret the words I wrote. I suspect you did it on purpose to give yourself a platform to launch your own tirade because, you know, that's what this thread is missing right now. 

I feel like I'm missing the part where I misinterpret your words or intent. I also miss the part where you think I need you to provide a platform for a tirade against a massively under performing player who is acting like a twat towards people he should feel massively indebted to and who are part of the fabric of this club's history and present day to day operations.

 

People stated that it's hardly a "good game" for a 60million "top class" striker to put two easy chances away versus a lower league opponent whilst missing a host of other chances and not setting up anything of note. Your reply was that these people should go into the CHO (an 18 year old whose yet to play a full BPL match or even get 90 minutes of BPL time in a season) thread and write the same thing.

If that wasn't a statement of "you should judge them by the same standard"  then please feel free to explain what exactly you meant ...because what you wrote.... If Morata (an alleged top striker who has played in most of the top leagues in Europe) can't have a good game because it's Nottingham Forrest then it can't be a good game for a teenager (whose never played a full top flight match anywhere in the world) who does really well against them....... was actually a statement that they should be judged to the same standard or comparably, something you got upset with me for stating.

 

and just to finish this nonsense, this "top class" striker only had a "good game" because a teenager whose gotten nearly no chances gave him two easy goals (really should of had more easy goals, but alas), the teenager actually had a good game because they played really well and in fact created two tap in goals (among other chances) for a striker that struggles to stay onside or beat the keeper 1v1 .  Nobody gave CHO easy tap ins, CHO gave Morata easy tap ins......if not for CHO, we'd simply be talking about the other chances Morata missed and how poor as usual he had been.

 

Still want us to go into the CHO thread and say he didn't have a good game?

 

I just hope we get rid of him sooner than later. There is no room for soft strikers in our squad. 

1 hour ago, Barry Bridges said:

I feel like I'm missing the part where I misinterpret your words or intent. I also miss the part where you think I need you to provide a platform for a tirade against a massively under performing player who is acting like a twat towards people he should feel massively indebted to and who are part of the fabric of this club's history and present day to day operations.

 

People stated that it's hardly a "good game" for a 60million "top class" striker to put two easy chances away versus a lower league opponent whilst missing a host of other chances and not setting up anything of note. Your reply was that these people should go into the CHO (an 18 year old whose yet to play a full BPL match or even get 90 minutes of BPL time in a season) thread and write the same thing.

If that wasn't a statement of "you should judge them by the same standard"  then please feel free to explain what exactly you meant ...because what you wrote.... If Morata (an alleged top striker who has played in most of the top leagues in Europe) can't have a good game because it's Nottingham Forrest then it can't be a good game for a teenager (whose never played a full top flight match anywhere in the world) who does really well against them....... was actually a statement that they should be judged to the same standard or comparably, something you got upset with me for stating.

 

and just to finish this nonsense, this "top class" striker only had a "good game" because a teenager whose gotten nearly no chances gave him two easy goals (really should of had more easy goals, but alas), the teenager actually had a good game because they played really well and in fact created two tap in goals (among other chances) for a striker that struggles to stay onside or beat the keeper 1v1 .  Nobody gave CHO easy tap ins, CHO gave Morata easy tap ins......if not for CHO, we'd simply be talking about the other chances Morata missed and how poor as usual he had been.

 

Still want us to go into the CHO thread and say he didn't have a good game?

 

Agree 1000% and these are the same points I was making although you made them more level headed and clear than I did .. your not allowed to criticise any player according to some on here .. even the ones that arent only up to it but not up to it and don't even look like they want To make it work, funny I never see anyone saying morata is "trying to hard" if he was I'd feel different - by now I'd want him gone still - but I'd wish it worked out different, but he isn't he just moans sulks and had the nerve to apparently hold a grudge against one of the clubs greatest ever players because he said "he is technically great but needs to find belief in himself to show it "? How disrespectful, self absorbed and made of glass can you be, what if he had Ramos giving him abuse and roughing him up in a champs league game ? Can we rely on him to smash in a winner when he has to make a public point against our coaching staff giving him constructive criticism.. and guess what else do people think that sort of first choice striker is good for the dressing room morale ? His attitude is toxic and it will wear of on the rest of the team he needs to go asap 

3 hours ago, bluedave said:

Er, no. That's a very interesting way to interpret the words I wrote. I suspect you did it on purpose to give yourself a platform to launch your own tirade because, you know, that's what this thread is missing right now. 

You seem like the sort of person that would complain about Kleenex man sized tissues being sexist.