I have no problem with you posting anything at all, and have said nothing to stop you posting, but I reserve my right to criticise anything you post if I disagree.

That's apparently is what forums are all about.  And also why the wonderful moderators in here have enabled the ignore button function.  It truly is a wonderful thing.

As someone said above, it's an odd world when we get an influx of new, extremely critical posters turn up immediately after (or at half-time in one case) a loss to possibly the best team in Europe at the moment.  Leads one to suspicions of their motives at the very least.

7 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I have no problem with you posting anything at all, and have said nothing to stop you posting, but I reserve my right to criticise anything you post if I disagree.

That's apparently is what forums are all about.  And also why the wonderful moderators in here have enabled the ignore button function.  It truly is a wonderful thing.

As someone said above, it's an odd world when we get an influx of new, extremely critical posters turn up immediately after (or at half-time in one case) a loss to possibly the best team in Europe at the moment.  Leads one to suspicions of their motives at the very least.

You don't have the right to insult me though, it may appear that I have just pitched up and started moaning because we lost 1-0, that's far from the case, I do intend to hang around and hope in the future to be able to write more positive posts. I just found Sunday a brand new experience as Chelsea supporter and one that I hope is never repeated.

Well we have a billion pound stadium to build. The money has to come from somewhere. I don't think anybody can say Abramovich has no ambition if he has visions like a new stadium with all that is involved. 

On top of that, to say he has no ambition when he fires managers when we aren't doing well. If there was lack of ambition, he would let managers stay to see it out. 

Sorry, but unfortunately we will have to be patient. A couple poor results had gone differently and we would be sitting in 2nd place and nobody would be moaning. It is just the way it is, a couple poor results and that's what happens in this league. 

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by enigma

14 hours ago, the real shed end said:

Can't believe all the negativity towards Roman and what he has done for us with his money.

5 premier league wins, 4 fa cups, 3 league cups, champs league, Europa league 

We cant' win every year and Roman cant just keep dipping in to his own pocket all the time we have to be self sufficient.

5th in the league still in the fa cup, still in the champs league (just) we would have been well happy pre 2004 to be where we are.

Sorry it' not that bad. I was there in 79-83 that was bad.  Lets get behind the lads for the rest of the season and if 5th is where we finish so be it. I will be there next year and so on no matter what.

 

 

Yes I am grateful, but I also wish we were the club of old, we seem to have lost the character we once had, but I suppose football has evolved and I know many supporters of other clubs feel the same, but if you offered me the club today, with todays matchday experience, or those years when we would take 5k to Grimsby for a division 2 nothing game, I know which I would take.

16 hours ago, dkw said:

In the past 6 years Chelsea have won:

The league twice

The FA cup

The champions league

The European cup

The league cup

That's better than every other English team in that time period. 

1 FA Cup, 2 league titles, and 1 league cup, isn't a successful 6 years for one of the richest teams the sport will ever see. 

Where are these European cups + Champions League trophies coming from? (Oh wow, I just remembered we won the Europa League in the past 6 years!!!!!Success.) But Champions League..?

I said in the last 6 years we've had terrible form. 2012 season; 2013 season; 2014 season; 2015 season; 2016 season; 2017 season; 6 seasons, none of which did we win the Champions League in; all of which seasons we employed terrible recruitment, terrible loan strategies, terrible contract strategies, with terrible football on the pitch for more than half of it.

In the past 6 years, we've hit Europa League twice, sold our best players more than twice, recruited terrible players more than twice, haven't won the league more than twice. An absolutely watered down 6 years. Trying to debate otherwise is an absolute waste of time.

+ Don't slip an extra season in there so that your point seems more valid; it changes the entire point for those not willing enough to think for themselves while reading this back and forth. If we pretend to extent my original point beyond the 6 years to include our greatest moment ever, sure, Roman doesn't seem half bad. 

If you actually stick to what I said, which is the past half decade (actually 6 years), you can't debate that the amount of trophies pales in comparison to what is expected from a club of our and many others stature; yet trophies aren't even half of it. 
That is considered underperforming. If you underperform for 6 years in a row, your head roles - not your buddies.

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

Apparently if someone gives you a lot of money you're never allowed to stand up to them again  Apparently you become their bitch and do whatever they say.

Well, some live that way, some don't. 

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

1 hour ago, enigma said:

Well we have a billion pound stadium to build. The money has to come from somewhere

Can we stop saying this as if we didn't just spend over 100m+ on squad players who don't even play? Money isn't the issue, so it isn't a good retort. 

Hardly any teams can go out and spunk the fees we do. It's a matter of misorganised priorities and a mismanaged club.

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

1 hour ago, yorkleyblue said:

I have no problem with you posting anything at all, and have said nothing to stop you posting, but I reserve my right to criticise anything you post if I disagree.

That's apparently is what forums are all about.  And also why the wonderful moderators in here have enabled the ignore button function.  It truly is a wonderful thing.

As someone said above, it's an odd world when we get an influx of new, extremely critical posters turn up immediately after (or at half-time in one case) a loss to possibly the best team in Europe at the moment.  Leads one to suspicions of their motives at the very least.

God you're dull. Multiple new users and all you want to do is critisise them for having different points to you instead of saying 'Welcome, fellow Chelsea fans - I may not agree with you, but i look forward to bolstering how many ideas we have to pick from in here.' 

Anyway, apparently what forums are all about is reserving the right to critisise anything posted - so with all due respect, with the day or so I've been on here, you've posted absolute tosh. And if that's in 'response' to the new users, you need to get a grip of yourself.

PS - More likely, some upset mods on other forums brought out the ban-hammer for little reason due to the emotional loss, so we emigrated here. I was literally banned from TalkChelsea a few hours before signing up to here; 13k posts, one of the highest post-reputations; because I asked a mod if he was sure he should be posting a shallow headline without any context re: the sudden death of Astori; it seemed insensitive. No warning - instant ban, by the least mature mod 'Special'Juan he's called.

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

You said "1 FA Cup, 2 league titles, and 1 league cup, isn't a successful 6 years for one of the richest teams the sport will ever see. 

Where are these European cups + Champions League trophies coming from? (Oh wow, I just remembered we won the Europa League in the past 6 years!!!!!Success.) But Champions League..?" and "you can't debate that the amount of trophies pales in comparison to what is expected from a club of our and many others stature; yet trophies aren't even half of it. "

I said "Spoilt brat of a JCL clown"  I'm convinced that you are just some wind-up merchant, and everything you post confirms that.  Join at halftime in the game against City and criticise everything from post 1.

Off on ignore you go 

The consensus so far in this thread is - You're not a Chelsea supporter if you have anything critical to say! How dare you be rational! How dare you write many words! How dare you speak against me!

Grow up people. Cough up some responses to our points, please. Not just stating your original points in a more pushy tone 
(Unless this is a case if a case of, "They disagree with me. They're wrong. Why would I waste time trying to fix something wrong?" Thankfully we won't be 16 forever!)

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

35 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

You said "1 FA Cup, 2 league titles, and 1 league cup, isn't a successful 6 years for one of the richest teams the sport will ever see. 

Where are these European cups + Champions League trophies coming from? (Oh wow, I just remembered we won the Europa League in the past 6 years!!!!!Success.) But Champions League..?" and "you can't debate that the amount of trophies pales in comparison to what is expected from a club of our and many others stature; yet trophies aren't even half of it. "

I said "Spoilt brat of a JCL clown"  I'm convinced that you are just some wind-up merchant, and everything you post confirms that.  Join at halftime in the game against City and criticise everything from post 1.

Off on ignore you go 

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

12 hours ago, BiafranBlue said:

I believe in your laws, there is something called "Freedom of speech", which in this case means "Freedom to post", it does not matter when someone came to the party or how lowly they are. Everyone has a right to post his/her mind, so long as it does not violate any civil or internet laws.

In my local language we do say "whenever a wo/man wakes up is his/her morning". Allow people vent off their anger, most of it ends here on the replies of these topics.

Peace!

Nope, people do not have any legally guaranteed right to post whatever they want on this forum. What is and is not permitted here is entirely at the discretion of the forum owners and moderators. In other words, the ability to participate on this forum is a privilege that can be denied/withdrawn at any time.

The ignore function is great but for it to be completely effective I would also have to block all of the people that respond to the idiots, which is not something that I'd want to do.

34 minutes ago, fiel said:

God you're dull. Multiple new users and all you want to do is critisise them for having different points to you instead of saying 'Welcome, fellow Chelsea fans - I may not agree with you, but i look forward to bolstering how many ideas we have to pick from in here.' 

Anyway, apparently what forums are all about is reserving the right to critisise anything posted - so with all due respect, with the day or so I've been on here, you've posted absolute tosh. And if that's in 'response' to the new users, you need to get a grip of yourself.

PS - More likely, some upset mods on other forums brought out the ban-hammer for little reason due to the emotional loss, so we emigrated here. I was literally banned from TalkChelsea a few hours before signing up to here; 13k posts, one of the highest post-reputations; because I asked a mod if he was sure he should be posting a shallow headline without any context re: the sudden death of Astori; it seemed insensitive. No warning - instant ban, by the least mature mod 'Special'Juan he's called.

Just for the record Yorkleyblue, Osgood was infact Good, and would have been turning in his grave at Sunday's performance. Or were you not around then?

It's no good that a non-productive, personal debate has been started between members so soon after new arrivals. I'll simply say this, with a harsh tone, to keep things fair and wrap up.

If you're confused as to why some people post critical points, where yours are all bright blue, it may be this. It may be because, while some drink beer before a game, others read books or articles. Repeat that process for 300 or more games, and who's more likely to bring balanced perspective to the table for the post-match discussion?
That isn't the sum of what I want to say; put so bluntly it just sounds offensive, but it gets across somewhat of the point. I'm not going to join a fighter forum as a book-reader, and tell them all about how to shoulder barge someone. And I'm not going to be a very vocal voice on a forum which requires discussion re: finance, strategy, and foresight, if I can't talk about any of those things. So, if you don't yourself grasp the intricacies of board leadership, delegation, recruitment, motivation, any of these nuances - you're really lacking scope over the club, and attacking points you don't understand, making us who do understand look like utter arseholes just for doing the basics right. 

A complete mole hill in here because a user knows we could do well without Roman, and expects Chelsea to win plenty of trophies. Upset, over that.
Upset, over new people having new ideas That last line sums this up perfectly.

Hopefully we can go forward now without calling eachother stupid, troll, or fake fan for disagreeing.

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by fiel

1 hour ago, fiel said:

The consensus so far in this thread is - You're not a Chelsea supporter if you have anything critical to say! How dare you be rational! How dare you write many words! How dare you speak against me!

Grow up people. Cough up some responses to our points, please. Not just stating your original points in a more pushy tone 
(Unless this is a case if a case of, "They disagree with me. They're wrong. Why would I waste time trying to fix something wrong?" Thankfully we won't be 16 forever!)

That's the opinion of a few Chelsea fans and it won't take long for you to work out which ones 

2 hours ago, fiel said:

1 FA Cup, 2 league titles, and 1 league cup, isn't a successful 6 years for one of the richest teams the sport will ever see. 

Where are these European cups + Champions League trophies coming from? (Oh wow, I just remembered we won the Europa League in the past 6 years!!!!!Success.) But Champions League..?

 

Its more successful than THE richest teams the sport will ever see in Man City.

As for that sentence about european trophies, I have no idea what you are no about. We won the Champions league in 2012, less than 6 years ago, your stated time frame.

As far as I'm concerned, f**k all the trophy's! f**k the Champions League, f**k the Premier League, f**k the FA Cup and the League Cup. If I die tomorrow I'll die a happy man, knowing I've seen my team win the lot. If we never win another title again, so be it! We have no divine right to win anything!

However, what I can not take is seeing players and coaches/Managers not trying! You want my club to pay your wage? Go out there and earn that f**king wage! Don't you dare spend 90 mins walking between the 6 yard line and half way line without any intention of crossing into the oppositions half. Go out there with every intention of getting a result, regardless of if we're playing Dagenham & Redbridge or Real f**king Madrid! All I ask for is the players to give 100% every match, if you can't do that, then f**k off out of my club!

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by Old Shaggy
Can't spell for sh*t!

1 minute ago, Old Shaggy said:

As far as I'm concerned, f**k all the trophy's! f**k the Champions League, f**k the Premier League, f**k the FA Cup and the League Cup. If I die tomorrow I'll die a happy man, knowing I've seen my team win the lot. If we never win another title again, so be it! We have no devine right to win anything!

However, what I can not take is seeing players and coaches/Managers not trying! You want my club to pay your wage? Go out there and earn that f**king wage! Don't you dare spend 90 mins walking between the 6 yard line and half way line without any intention of crossing into the oppositions half. Go out there with every intention of getting a result, regardless of if we're playing Dagenham & Redbridge or Real f**king Madrid! All I ask for is the players to give 100% every match, if you can't do that, then f**k off out of my club!

Amen to all of that.

2 hours ago, fiel said:

Can we stop saying this as if we didn't just spend over 100m+ on squad players who don't even play? Money isn't the issue, so it isn't a good retort. 

Hardly any teams can go out and spunk the fees we do. It's a matter of misorganised priorities and a mismanaged club.

Do you suggest us spending 200m on one or two players (plus wages) then? because that is a sh*t way to go about business. we needed squad players, now we have squad players everybody and their dog is complaining we don't have good squad players lol, make your mind/s up. the problem is, people are too impatient and expect every signing to make an instant impact.

morata, zappa, palmieri and bakayoko have never played in the league before. drinkwater seems to be sh*t on week in, week out, when he's actually a decent player and only just starting to get a consistent run of games to prove his worth. barkley is being written off before he's even started his career at the club. he's come back from 8/9 months out through injury and has been rushed back to play, only having played a couple of bit part games. morata is a different player to costa or drogba; playing in a new league; new system; and as well as that he's never had a consistent run of being the main man for a team, until this season. the problem is, impatience.

3 hours ago, fiel said:

PS - More likely, some upset mods on other forums brought out the ban-hammer for little reason due to the emotional loss, so we emigrated here. I was literally banned from TalkChelsea a few hours before signing up to here;

Their loss is also this forums loss.

Seems a lot of 'smart after the event' stuff being posted.   In recent years, going back to 2013, the club has been complying with FFP.  In short, they can't spend money that they haven't earned or have in hand to bring in talent from elsewhere.   And between 2013 and 2016, there was a marked drop off in 'net' purchases.  In the 2014-15 title winning season, the club actually made a profit on transfers.  This actually shouldn't be the norm for any club trying to stay at the top.  Because they would normally be paying higher prices for talented up and coming or established players whilst getting much smaller fees as they release players whose best days are behind them or found not to be good enough.    Of course (and it's been stated elsewhere) net spending or indeed any spending has to married into consideration of that money being spent wisely.  

In between those years above, Chelsea were halfway down the PL in terms of 'net' spending.  Just above Stoke City.  Whether these recent years of frugality are down to a possible new stadium is another question.   But back to spending wisely.   Chelsea have done some very good deals in recent times.  Cahill will have his critics but what the club and  he have achieved together make his signing an absolute bargain.   Azpilicueta for £7m looks a bigger steal with each passing season.   Kante?  In todays inflated market, another cracking signing for what was paid.  Victor Moses is of variable quality and has had a chequered time at Chelsea but he was a big part of last seasons title win so on that alone, it makes his fee back in 2012 a snatch.  And he's still just 27.   There are others.

Much of the current angst stems from what are considered poor signings for defending champions.  And Yes, it simply cannot be disputed, when every man Jack said we would need a bigger, stronger squad for the greater demands of this season, that we incredibly appear to be weaker.  A bizarre number of the new recruits have been more familiar to the medical department than the training pitches at the time of their signings.  But undoubtedly of more concern are the more high profile imports, Morata, Bakayoko and Rudiger  All talented,  all with great potential for many years ahead and all struggling to one extent or another adapting to their new environment.   At the moment, it looks disastrous.  Well, as disastrous as a team in 5th place, one game from a Wembley semi-final and still in the Champions League can be, I suppose.   The thing is football fans invariably judge everything on the here and now.   Manchester City fans were likely scratching their heads over where their club was going wrong as we swept past them last season and how even when we had our former implosion two seasons ago, that they weren't able to take advantage then either.  So now, they can do nothing wrong and it'll be years of domination ahead for them?  Don't bet on it.  Following Chelsea is an exercise on watching someone shoot themselves in the foot then somehow hop to another triumph over and over again.   Some journo recently remarked that 'Chelsea are a club that thrives on instability'.   Nothing is guaranteed in football.   Play the long-term game, put a structure in place,  get a good manager in and back him no matter what for the greater good of the legacy he's building instead of short term reward.   And yet, in the modern game players don't want to hang around for the greater good and trophies that may never arrive.  And nor do some top managers.  They get itchy feet even when they are being successful.   Will Pep soon decide he fancies a stint in Serie A as he, Jose and Carlo do the Euro league circuit?  

So I take talk of our imminent demise as a club with a large bucket of salt. And partly because we need to judge the wisdom of bringing in Morata, Bakayoko et al after more than one season.   Which is why all the hindsight talk is premature. We were sitting in third place only a few short weeks ago with aspirations of overhauling Man Utd.  So despite all the doom and gloom, it is still a pretty decent team that has lost it's form of late.  They can regain it.  The manager too needs to get his mojo back.   And the support at Stamford Bridge can do their bit at the weekend.  There is still plenty to play for this season and the biggest addition to any team is not a player at all but confidence.

 

Hardly the worst imo. As someone else said 7-0 loss to Forest, 4-2 recent loss at home in the FA Cup to Bradford, 6-0 away to Rotherham and 4-0 or 4-1 loss at home to Rotherham same season (little bit longer than 35 years), there are more, but the worst in 35 years, bit of a stretch for me.

4 hours ago, Osgood is Good said:

Hardly the worst imo. As someone else said 7-0 loss to Forest, 4-2 recent loss at home in the FA Cup to Bradford, 6-0 away to Rotherham and 4-0 or 4-1 loss at home to Rotherham same season (little bit longer than 35 years), there are more, but the worst in 35 years, bit of a stretch for me.

I was talking more about the desire and belief the players showed, not the actual performance, although that was Dire. To me it felt as though we went out there with a "lets get this one out of the way" attitude. Especially when we went behind and still no pressing the City players. Ive never seen that from a Chelsea side, it was very strange.

 

10 hours ago, bluedave said:

Nope, people do not have any legally guaranteed right to post whatever they want on this forum. What is and is not permitted here is entirely at the discretion of the forum owners and moderators. In other words, the ability to participate on this forum is a privilege that can be denied/withdrawn at any time.

The ignore function is great but for it to be completely effective I would also have to block all of the people that respond to the idiots, which is not something that I'd want to do.

Hey there, this is a complete piece of crap you have as a reply to me.

There is no privilege I should feel like I’m being given to visit this forum or be an active member.

The owners or mods are the ones privileged to have members who are active and constantly exchanging opinions to keep it alive.

Without constant web hits and traffics from visitors, this place would be a dry zone and probably with no funds raised to run it and it’d die a natural death.

Spare me that ‘privilege’ bull crap.

So long as no o e is violating any known civil or internet laws or forum laws in this case, no person has the right to shout down other people’s opinions because the other party is “new” to this forum.

Please let it go.

Edited March 7, 20188 yr by BiafranBlue