11 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

Boehly probably would because he hasn't got a clue,look how many times he has been rejected for important positions so far.

We stopped being a big club the moment the government forced Roman to sell and we got these jokers in.

Hopefully in 9 and a half years there is still a Chelsea football club left.

14 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

20mill? He is on 12mill a year his sacking will cost nearly 60mill, plus his staff. 

Plus without someone who actually knows what they are doing to make the call how do we know Todd will actually pick the right manager to move us forward? He may just hire Steven Gerrard for all we know.

Thought I read 20m it would take to sack him. If 60m then even more likely he will be given time. 

 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Thought I read 20m it would take to sack him. If 60m then even more likely he will be given time. 

 

Maybe he has a clause in his contact for termination then. Still a quick 20mill is not bad going is it?

Just now, axman2526 said:

Maybe he has a clause in his contact for termination then. Still a quick 20mill is not bad going is it?

I mean given our expenditure so far I doubt Boehly wants such a needless expense when the next manager that comes in will have the same exact problems. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean given our expenditure so far I doubt Boehly wants such a needless expense when the next manager that comes in will have the same exact problems. 

And would you trust Todd to appoint the right manager? Hopefully he gets a top director of football and gives him all the power otherwise if left to this lot our debts will skyrocket and we will be closer the the Championship and financial ruin than being a top side again.

28 minutes ago, Argo said:

If Stamford Bridge is half full they'll have to act. Not only would they have loss of income but also brand damage if it goes on for any real period of time.

I don’t see Stamford bridge being half full

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

And would you trust Todd to appoint the right manager? Hopefully he gets a top director of football and gives him all the power otherwise if left to this lot our debts will skyrocket and we will be closer the the Championship and financial ruin than being a top side again.

He should just fly over to India and bring Tuchel back to be honest

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

He should just fly over to India and bring Tuchel back to be honest

Yeah no way they do that.

Just now, axman2526 said:

And would you trust Todd to appoint the right manager? Hopefully he gets a top director of football and gives him all the power otherwise if left to this lot our debts will skyrocket and we will be closer the the Championship and financial ruin than being a top side again.

I doubt even Pep Guardiola could do anything with this team. 

Boehly so far has learned on the job. Made a mistake giving such power to Tuchel to bring in his players, (although I am still adamant they are all good players), but his firm stance in not rewarding underperformers is something I am hopeful for the future. Only James got a contract extension which is undoubtedly rightfully deserved. Mount, Mendy, Jorginho and Kante all want improved deals yet given what's been seen on the pitch they are either stalling or Boehly simply doesn't want them here. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I doubt even Pep Guardiola could do anything with this team. 

Boehly so far has learned on the job. Made a mistake giving such power to Tuchel to bring in his players, (although I am still adamant they are all good players), but his firm stance in not rewarding underperformers is something I am hopeful for the future. Only James got a contract extension which is undoubtedly rightfully deserved. Mount, Mendy, Jorginho and Kante all want improved deals yet given what's been seen on the pitch they are either stalling or Boehly simply doesn't want them here. 

Would Potter count as an underperformer?

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Would Potter count as an underperformer?

Yes. 

But one must ask what is the root of the issue that now 4 managers couldn't solve?

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yes. 

But one must ask what is the root of the issue that now 4 managers couldn't solve?

I would assume our attack since Hazard left. Though start of last season when Lukaku was motivated we looked pretty good. The issue there is more the quality of our attackers than any tactics.

 

However Graham Potter seems to be creating more issues, our control of games that we had under Tuchel seems to have vanished.

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

I would assume our attack since Hazard left. Though start of last season when Lukaku was motivated we looked pretty good. The issue there is more the quality of our attackers than any tactics.

However Graham Potter seems to be creating more issues, our control of games that we had under Tuchel seems to have vanished.

It's the core of the team. They don't have the stomach or mentality to perform consistently. We've seen it since Sarri, and its no surprise Sarri was the first one to question these' players' mentality. They pick and choose when to perform and they only do it when something is on the line. We've seen it year after year and its the very reason we have gone from title contenders to merely a cup team. These players are even rewarded for their inconsistency which only breeds more of the same and this mentality is then rubbed off on others. As a collective, I have no emotional attachment to any of these players bar Silva and James.

Potter, much like Tuchel and Lampard before him, will find out either by losing his job next season or he miraculously rectifies it, is that he cannot continue to trust these underperformers. Because they will not reciprocate it. 

Edited November 6, 20223 yr by Sconnie Blue

Every man and his dog were raving about Potter at Brighton, but then he comes to Chelsea and now he's apparently "overrated" "average", "clueless" "tactically poor" "unsure of himself" "hyped up English manager" etc, etc. Maybe the club needs to look at itself and wonder why we have been trailing behind the likes of City and Liverpool for so long despite hiring and firing a myriad of top managers. The last 5 seasons have coincided with the dominance of Pep/City and Klopp/Liverpool granted, so it hasn't been simple for the likes of Sarri, Lampard, Tuchel, and now Potter. But we've made it so much harder for ourselves by buying garbage players who have not improved us whatsoever. The list is endless.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yes. 

But one must ask what is the root of the issue that now 4 managers couldn't solve?

I've been banging this drum for years, it's our midfield.

Our midfield creation rate is extremely low. Ever since Conte, our midfield has never been the source of our chance creation. Sarri did try to remedy this but it turned into boring sideways backwards passing. Lamps tried too with Kova being a ball carrier but failed because it left holes. Tuchel focused more on domination by passes and having Kante/Kova become b2b mid with Jorgi becoming a controlling regista which worked well until injuries and Jorgi's lack of pace made it easily exploitable.

Personally, in the period of '05-12, we had a very good midfield recruitment strategy. The last very good midfielder we signed was Kante back in '15.

1 hour ago, Deino said:

I've been banging this drum for years, it's our midfield.

Our midfield creation rate is extremely low. Ever since Conte, our midfield has never been the source of our chance creation. Sarri did try to remedy this but it turned into boring sideways backwards passing. Lamps tried too with Kova being a ball carrier but failed because it left holes. Tuchel focused more on domination by passes and having Kante/Kova become b2b mid with Jorgi becoming a controlling regista which worked well until injuries and Jorgi's lack of pace made it easily exploitable.

Personally, in the period of '05-12, we had a very good midfield recruitment strategy. The last very good midfielder we signed was Kante back in '15.

I agree, as long as we are also classing the wingers as part of the midfield.

Even with everyone fit, we struggle to create good chances to score. Most of our forwards have half chances with very low xG to work with, and then get a load of grief when they don't convert (masked in part by a few really bad misses). We hardly seem to have anyone in the squad apart from Reece James who can hit a decent cross, or make a pass through the lines. Even players like Kane need 5 chances for every goal they score. We simply don't create enough chances and don't take enough shots to make the conversion percentage maths work.

It's baffling. Scoring goals in football ought to be the most natural thing to do ... engrained from the earliest days of playing kickabout down the park with jumpers for goalposts.

Good point made by this guy: 

 

 

 

@enigmaI take that on board, and have written this season off already willing to give Potter time in the hope he gets rid of useless players who wont help us compete at the top.

However what Todd did in the transfer window, only to sack the manager he bought the players for 2 weeks later, including the stirker who came to work with TT, was so incredibly short sighted. How can that be part of the process? How could these signings? Koulibaly and Sterling are not long term investments, they are win now type players.

At least Cucurella and Fofana have time on their side, the other two were utter madness.

Edited November 6, 20223 yr by axman2526

48 minutes ago, enigma said:

Good point made by this guy: 

 

 

A process also needs to show good projected end product.

It annoys me when people think it's either unconditionally "trust the process" or we're expecting to be City, it's such a painfully binary thought process.

11 minutes ago, Argo said:

A process also needs to show good projected end product.

It annoys me when people think it's either unconditionally "trust the process" or we're expecting to be City, it's such a painfully binary thought process.

there are Twitter accounts going on about “Trust The Process’ already but we have ‘literally’ only just shaken up the hierarchy/recruitment team etc in the last weeks, there is no process at the moment; Potter is finding his feet and so are the owners. Suspect it’s a case of ‘saving face’, which some fans tend to do when rival fans are watching/reading on public forums as opposed to Chelsea forums. 

If Todd does want us to be one of the world's top sides, then part of that process has to be recruiting a new Cech, a new JT, a new Ricky Carvaliho, a new Ashley Cole, a new Makalele etc etc.

Players of quality but, even more importantly, a burning desire to win, to be the best and who give their all for the shirt always. 

We have one of those now. He is 38. Reece may be another we will see. That is nowhere near enough. And signing players like Sterling and Koulibaly is nowhere near good enough.

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Yes. 

But one must ask what is the root of the issue that now 4 managers couldn't solve?

You answered your own question.

The root issue is the four managers, and all the players they amalgamated.

I wonder what we would look like now if Sarri stayed this long ?

 

I actually think the CL win papered over alot of cracks. Yes we played well in the tournament and had a good “moment” but in reality, we were never one of the best teams in Europe. We won it because we happened to employ Tuchel who was excellent in cup competitions and there was an element of new manager bounce. 
 

We built nothing - and it’s showing 

Looks like another great reboot if we can't get anything out of this season. I thought we had one already with 300M of purchase this summer, and the 200M Roman spent in the Frank\Tuchel season. It's madness, even Real doesn't go as mad as that. It's no longer a laughing matter Boehly will be the manager at some stage of his ownership, the way we have been playing it may come sooner than later.