Roman was good when he first took the club over because only two clubs were dominating at the time and the quality was less, so he could spend hundreds of millions to bring Chelsea success, but doesn't work nowadays as many clubs are competing and Roman failed to keep us competitive at various times during the last decade. 

 

1 hour ago, smileysmiles said:

If he was as good a manager as its claimed he is he could identify a system for what's available. That's not even happening right now.

See I disagree with this.

The system has to suit the players at your disposal, and that list of players is changing game to game.

Even so, I thought until the 59th minute we didn't play poorly yesterday, Fulham's chances (and their first goal) resulted from individual mistakes. Chalobah had a stinker, Hall showed his inexperience which you've got to accept is going to happen from time to time with an 18 year old.

 

21 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

See I disagree with this.

The system has to suit the players at your disposal, and that list of players is changing game to game.

Even so, I thought until the 59th minute we didn't play poorly yesterday, Fulham's chances (and their first goal) resulted from individual mistakes. Chalobah had a stinker, Hall showed his inexperience which you've got to accept is going to happen from time to time with an 18 year old.

 

How did we score our goal if not by pure luck? We were not better than Fulham, not even before the red card came.

36 minutes ago, enigma said:

Roman was good when he first took the club over because only two clubs were dominating at the time and the quality was less, so he could spend hundreds of millions to bring Chelsea success, but doesn't work nowadays as many clubs are competing and Roman failed to keep us competitive at various times during the last decade. 

What do you mean by competitive we very rarely weren't in the ucl, we still finished with the second highest trophy total 9 out of all other English clubs in the top division. It's like people are making these claims without going back and actually looking at the success we had. 

As an English team we dominated Europe compared to others 

2 UCL

2 Europa 

Super cup 

Club World Cup

Not to mention the domestic success, but oh things are going bad now with the new ownership so lets make out things weren't that good under Roman. Smh City dominated in almost every department the last decade, but we actually weren't that far behind. The league wins by them skew people's perspectives on Roman's tenure because we didn't win the league since Conte. Well Liverpool didn't win the league for 30 years and we still managed to win 5 before they won 1 and that was all in RA's reign. Show some respect

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

16 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

How did we score our goal if not by pure luck? We were not better than Fulham, not even before the red card came.

10 shots on target v 3 for them, 3 big chances v 1 for them. We were all over the place defensively but we created and had many more better chances than they did. You keep saying that we scored by luck, but so did they in their first goal. And we should have been at least 2-0 up by then had we taken our chances.

1 minute ago, RMH said:

10 shots on target v 3 for them, 3 big chances v 1 for them. We were all over the place defensively but we created and had many more better chances than they did. You keep saying that we scored by luck, but so did they in their first goal. And we should have been at least 2-0 up by then had we taken our chances.

How did they have 1 big chance if they scored twice? Make it make sense.

25 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

How did they have 1 big chance if they scored twice? Make it make sense.

I got it from Chelseafc website, so I'm not very sure what they mean with it but it is probably big chances missed (that would make them have 3 including the 2 goals, so 1 big chance missed which is the crossbar). Still, what do you think about the 10 shots on target v 3 for them (which I have checked on other sites)? And we played 30 minutes with 10 men.

Edit to add that I also don't think that either their first goal nor our equaliser were big chances, both went in by sheer luck not from a big chance situation.

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22 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

What do you mean by competitive we very rarely weren't in the ucl, we still finished with the second highest trophy total 9 out of all other English clubs in the top division. It's like people are making these claims without going back and actually looking at the success we had. 

As an English team we dominated Europe compared to others 

2 UCL

2 Europa 

Super cup 

Club World Cup

Not to mention the domestic success, but oh things are going bad now with the new ownership so lets make out things weren't that good under Roman. Smh City dominated in almost every department the last decade, but we actually weren't that far behind. The league wins by them skew people's perspectives on Roman's tenure because we didn't win the league since Conte. Well Liverpool didn't win the league for 30 years and we still managed to win 5 before they won 1 and that was all in RA's reign. Show some respect

We were not competitive in the league for five seasons. We last challenged in 16/17. Since then we've been atrocious. The odd cup win isn't good enough. The league is what we need to focus on. 

6 hours ago, ducavis said:

He isn’t allowed to sell for 10yrs if I am not mistaken, so fans can stop with the “Boehly out” chants. 

 

Well said.. think he was writing off on average £1m per month ever since he bought the club. Find it ridiculous some fans & even the new owners claim we were poorly run. The reality is the club isn’t a profitable enterprise, & he had us punching above our weight for many years.

Why cant he sell ?

4 hours ago, RMH said:

10 shots on target v 3 for them, 3 big chances v 1 for them. We were all over the place defensively but we created and had many more better chances than they did. You keep saying that we scored by luck, but so did they in their first goal. And we should have been at least 2-0 up by then had we taken our chances.

Very good point.

It's a cliche, but they do say you make your own luck in sports. We were fortunate Mounts freekick rebounded to Koulibaly, but it was a wicked ball in from Mount and Hall's good work that won the FK in the first place.

Similarly, the deflection for Willians goal was perhaps lucky (for Fulham), but was also a result of Chalobah not closing down the shot properly (in my opinion).

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

How did they have 1 big chance if they scored twice? Make it make sense.

Maybe the chance was when they hit the crossbar and goals aren't counted as chances. 😅

According to Matt law the squad is getting overhauled in the summer with Boehly backing potter

17 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

According to Matt law the squad is getting overhauled in the summer with Boehly backing potter

Sounds like a great idea. What was Tuchels quote last year about same problems being from the same players? It’s happened under Lampard, Tuchel and now Potter! Get rid, get the injured players back and then see how Potter does.

In terms of squad quality we need reinforcements BUT we also need time to create a way to play and integrate players we have to it. We are only signing top players so none of them are bad overnight. 

11 minutes ago, DukesOfHazard said:

Sounds like a great idea. What was Tuchels quote last year about same problems being from the same players? It’s happened under Lampard, Tuchel and now Potter! Get rid, get the injured players back and then see how Potter does.

My question is who these players are exactly?

I mean certainly there were issues with Willian under Conte, Rudiger under Lampard but they are both gone. The only consistent player in all of this is Dave and surely it is not him. So who then are these players who apparently are the problem in the squad?

I love the fact the players will be reading the latest in the media that the board is willing to get shot of them before they think about sacking Potter. Right now they should start thinking about their futures .
Anyone who thinks they could coast through the matches thinking the manager will be gone get f$€ked and get out of the club!!

Seems the board are really all in on Potter and planning of shipping the sh*te out so all those players thinking they would outlast Potter and not put a shift in probably need to get a new strategy, maybe just maybe actually start putting in a shift to put yourself in the shop window!!!

11 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

My question is who these players are exactly?

I mean certainly there were issues with Willian under Conte, Rudiger under Lampard but they are both gone. The only consistent player in all of this is Dave and surely it is not him. So who then are these players who apparently are the problem in the squad?

Have you ever started a new job and within months you pick up the bad habits from the tenured staff?

So even when the tenured staff leaves you carry on the bad habits and culture until new leadership comes in and decides you will be gone if attitude doesn't change

1 minute ago, El regreso said:

Have you ever started a new job and within months you pick up the bad habits from the tenured staff?

So even when the tenured staff leaves you carry on the bad habits and culture until new leadership comes in and decides you will be gone if attitude doesn't change

A good point. I've long advocated for hiring players based on mentality as well as the technical side. 

It's also a reason why small squads work better (injuries not withstanding) it's the players not featuring that often cause issues.

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

According to Matt law the squad is getting overhauled in the summer with Boehly backing potter

Good is what many of us have asked for years for. How do we go about it though?

Cut price sales for Lukaku, Havertz, Sterling?

Not renewing Jorginho?

Sacking Aubameyang, Koulibaly and Dave?

Squad overhaul is a great idea, been talking about for years now. First of all, do we trust this manager with another 300M signings? I mean we couldn't even get his own player Cucurella to play like a 10M LB. Secondly, what kind of talents are we going to attract when we are in the second half of the table? Thirdly, where are we going to find the money without CL football? Unlike the good Roman days , we aren't just going to write off 500M of debt with this kind of crazy spending? Even if Boehly is willing to spend more, FFP is still in place last time I heard, we aren't going to get away with it, even Newcastle had to be careful with spending this season. You need performance on field and manager able to inspire and train players better, sacking alone won't solve it, so is another  spending spree.

59 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Good is what many of us have asked for years for. How do we go about it though?

Cut price sales for Lukaku, Havertz, Sterling?

Not renewing Jorginho?

Sacking Aubameyang, Koulibaly and Dave?

Seems the best thing to do because we aren't going to get good money out of these players. Might as well just cut our losses and move forward.

42 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Squad overhaul is a great idea, been talking about for years now. First of all, do we trust this manager with another 300M signings? I mean we couldn't even get his own player Cucurella to play like a 10M LB. Secondly, what kind of talents are we going to attract when we are in the second half of the table? Thirdly, where are we going to find the money without CL football? Unlike the good Roman days , we aren't just going to write off 500M of debt with this kind of crazy spending? Even if Boehly is willing to spend more, FFP is still in place last time I heard, we aren't going to get away with it, even Newcastle had to be careful with spending this season. You need performance on field and manager able to inspire and train players better, sacking alone won't solve it, so is another  spending spree.

Potter didn't buy any of the players at the club, it was either Tuchel or someone that had Boelhy's ear in the summer. I'm more confident now that there's an actual team in place and Boehly is stepping down as sporting director.

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by Frankie8Lampard

I think a total squad overhaul is a good idea, but after the clownshow from last summer I wouldn't be to confident about the owners pulling it off to strenghten the squad without totally overpaying and offering disproportionately high contracts, blowing up our wage structure even more than it already is.

I mean for example if the rumors are true that the club is ready to offer Kanté a new three year deal for the same wages he is on from a contract he signed in 2018 when he was one of the best players in his position and a fresh WC winner, while he will be 32 years old at the end of the season with having missed minimum half a year through injury, to me that is clearly an argument against them knowing what they're doing.

No disrespect to Kanté but commiting huge wages to an incredibly injury prone player in his thirties would be madness.

The fact that the club regressed that much (Tuchel overperformance aside) in the last years imo is mostly based on the lack of financial principles and bad decisions on the transfer market. I really hope with the new 'transfer specialists' in charge that there will be a significant improvement in that regard.

Pecan Potter heading into the transfer market with an open tab at the bar will end in disaster.

Just wait and see.

One year from today we'll have 300M+ in new players, the Pecan will have been replaced and the new manager will say these signings weren't mine.