46 minutes ago, STATS said:

It made sense. Chilwell was recovering from a serious injury and needed time to recover and as we speak is injured again. If Cucurella started the season strong, no one would say that it made no sense. To build a team capable of challenging for major honours, you need to spend. When we have gone for cheaper players in the past (Zappacosta, Emerson) we have been criticized and when we go for players now who haven't hit heights running, the board will still get flack. Cucurella was brilliant at Brighton. But because he has started the season slowly and looked a little out hid depth, fans have already decided it is a waste of time. It may not work out but I defo don't agree that it did not make sense. The wingbacks are crucial to our system and when James and Chilwell were out, we saw how much it affected us and getting a player on paper who offered everything in that position made sense.

I hear what you are saying but Cucurella feels like a 60m Zappacosta since he signed. That's the issue 

17 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

There's a logic to what we are doing now. We are buying players before their peak at values that seem relatively reasonable. 30m for a capped french CB and 62m for someone who has lit up the cl this year. Both in the under 21 bracket and on contracts that will mean we retain their services as they reach their peak. 

We don't know what we are spending on wages, we don't know what the add ons are. 

What Everton was doing had no logic. Players that no one else wanted reaching the end of their careers. 

Who cares if they have resale value if they performed like sh*t for most of the time because we are going to take a big L if that happens.

For example Havertz, we bought him for 70+, how much would we got if we sold him now? probably less than 30m because of how sh*t he is playing. In addition, he is on massive wage and an expiring contract in 2 years so we either sold him for a big L or we take the bullet to re-sign him to a long deal despite he doesnt deserve one. 

What about KK? 31 years old with 4 years contract and a big wage and performed like a headless chicken all the time?

What about Cucurella? 62m for a bang average LB that is worse than Alonso?

What about Fofana? 70+m injury prone player who played 4 games so far?

What about Felix? 15m for 5 months of sertvice with no buy option?

What about Aubameyang? 10m for a striker that is terrible and no resale value?

What I mentioned above is already nearly 200m pour down the drain with no return, these add up fast dude.

6 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

For example Havertz, we bought him for 70+, how much would we got if we sold him now? probably less than 30m because of how sh*t he is playing.

Atleast £50m, his big game record alone would attract some suitors.

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3 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Who cares if they have resale value if they performed like sh*t for most of the time because we are going to take a big L if that happens.

For example Havertz, we bought him for 70+, how much would we got if we sold him now? probably less than 30m because of how sh*t he is playing. In addition, he is on massive wage and an expiring contract in 2 years so we either sold him for a big L or we take the bullet to re-sign him to a long deal despite he doesnt deserve one. 

What about KK? 31 years old with 4 years contract and a big wage and performed like a headless chicken all the time?

What about Cucurella? 62m for a bang average LB that is worse than Alonso?

What about Fofana? 70+m injury prone player who played 4 games so far?

What about Felix? 15m for 5 months of sertvice with no buy option?

What about Aubameyang? 10m for a striker that is terrible and no resale value?

What I mentioned above is already nearly 200m pour down the drain with no return, these add up fast dude.

I think everyone agrees some of our summer transfers were w**k. I just think it's clear with the activity this window they've been much smarter. 

Felix something has gone on there. I dont know what. It obviously puts us in pole position to sign him in the summer, he is clearly quality, but there will be something shady in the background. 

8 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I think everyone agrees some of our summer transfers were w**k. I just think it's clear with the activity this window they've been much smarter. 

Felix something has gone on there. I dont know what. It obviously puts us in pole position to sign him in the summer, he is clearly quality, but there will be something shady in the background. 

Do they? 

Everyone and their dead grandma know we need to fill 3 holes - RB, Midfield, and an out-and-out striker

what did they do until now? Felix - another winger/creator

Mudruk - another winger

Badiashile - CB

 

where is our RB? our midfielder? if they spend so much money on a winger just to hijack Arsenal why dont they spend on Enzo? We need a midfielder so much more than another winger

 

3 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

 

where is our RB? our midfielder? if they spend so much money on a winger just to hijack Arsenal why dont they spend on Enzo? We need a midfielder so much more than another winger

 

Different payment structure - Benfica wanted all the money up front whereas Saltzberg don't.  All the money up front also doesn't help the FFP either

17 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

These guys are ridiculous. Also is Potter just a yes man? They must know something we don't because someone has to tell them that this kind of investment in an area is super risky. The only saving grace is that the players we sell equally go for ridiculous money.

Do they still go for ridiculous money though, now that you know she, her, the one that used to magically extract those valuable sales, Marina has left. 

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Do they? 

Everyone and their dead grandma know we need to fill 3 holes - RB, Midfield, and an out-and-out striker

what did they do until now? Felix - another winger/creator

Mudruk - another winger

Badiashile - CB

 

where is our RB? our midfielder? if they spend so much money on a winger just to hijack Arsenal why dont they spend on Enzo? We need a midfielder so much more than another winger

 

Why do people keep acting like we didn't need wingers. 

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Why do people keep acting like we didn't need wingers. 

I agree. None of our wingers run with the ball and bring us up the foeld anymore. Felix and Mudryk were essential.

Now we need a midfield and striker and we are done. And a whole lot of sales.

From the commentator in the Palace game: "I saw an interesting stat earlier: since Todd Boehly bought the club, Chelsea have bought more players than they've scored league goals."

Didn't sound right to me, so I thought I'd have a look.

The 'Clearlake' acquisition was announced on 30th May 2022, eight days after our last game of 2021/22 against Watford, so all goals will be from the current season. All signings will also be from the current season, as no signings were confirmed between 30/05/2022 and 01/07/2022.

We have apparently made 16 permanent signings this season (18 if you include the two loanees):

Permanent:
01/07/2022    Eddie Beach (GK)
13/07/2022    Raheem Sterling (FW)
16/07/2022    Kalidou Koulibaly (DF)
16/07/2022    Omari Hutchinson (FW)
02/08/2022    Gabriel Slonina (GK)
04/08/2022    Carney Chukwuemeka (MF)
04/08/2022    Zak Sturge (DF)
05/08/2022    Marc Cucurella (DF)
11/08/2022    Tyler Dibling (MF)
19/08/2022    Cesare Casadei (MF)
31/08/2022    Wesley Fofana (DF)
01/09/2022    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (FW)
05/01/2023    Benoît Badiashile (DF)
07/01/2023    David Datro Fofana (FW)
07/01/2023    Andrey Santos (MF)
15/01/2023    Mykhailo Mudryk (MF)

On loan:
01/09/2022    Denis Zakaria (MF)
11/01/2023    João Félix (FW)

At the time of speaking, we had scored 21 league goals this season (now 22 with Havertz's winner against Crystal Palace). So we can conclude that this commentator is, predictably, full of sh*t.

 

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Why do people keep acting like we didn't need wingers. 

All the forward players are either sh*te or down tools so we definitely need front players 

7 hours ago, timetowaste said:

I'm thoroughly enjoying people on this forum questioning whether billionaires know how to run a business.

Unfortunately there's plenty of evidence that being a millionaire doesn't mean you can successfully run any business.

Todd made his money in finance and insurance etc, not by running a football club.

Anyway, the way it's going I reckon he's using us a massive debt to offset profits elsewhere in his portfolio as some sort of tax scheme.

21 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Someone said on here that that is why all these signings have long contracts. The long contract is pretty much a loophole to get past FFP

What if FFP rules are changed to block this loophole?

1 minute ago, OneTommyLangley said:

What if FFP rules are changed to block this loophole?

It can't be implemented retrospectively on contracts, that would be illegal. 

6 hours ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Who cares if they have resale value if they performed like sh*t for most of the time because we are going to take a big L if that happens.

What about Cucurella? 62m for a bang average LB that is worse than Alonso

What I mentioned above is already nearly 200m pour down the drain with no return, these add up fast dude.

Alonso was a gifted luxury player that often delivered when he had quality around him.

Cucurella isnt a very good footballer who looks clown like when running .....harsh but not an unreasonable comparison.

Just waiting for Potter to disown him 

 

 

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The extra long contracts are there to use an accounting method to off set FFP rules 

It's called " amortization" apparently.  You'll have to look it up, but Pat Nevin mentioned it on 5L today . Dunno what to make of it personally, don't know enough about it tbh.

Winston Bogarde situations in the future?

 

 

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6 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I hear what you are saying but Cucurella feels like a 60m Zappacosta since he signed. That's the issue 

That is fair enough but I just don't agree when people say that it did not make sense. He was arguably the best LB/LWB in the league last season bar Cancelo and Robertson aside.

3 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

From the commentator in the Palace game: "I saw an interesting stat earlier: since Todd Boehly bought the club, Chelsea have bought more players than they've scored league goals."

Didn't sound right to me, so I thought I'd have a look.

The 'Clearlake' acquisition was announced on 30th May 2022, eight days after our last game of 2021/22 against Watford, so all goals will be from the current season. All signings will also be from the current season, as no signings were confirmed between 30/05/2022 and 01/07/2022.

We have apparently made 16 permanent signings this season (18 if you include the two loanees):

Permanent:
01/07/2022    Eddie Beach (GK)
13/07/2022    Raheem Sterling (FW)
16/07/2022    Kalidou Koulibaly (DF)
16/07/2022    Omari Hutchinson (FW)
02/08/2022    Gabriel Slonina (GK)
04/08/2022    Carney Chukwuemeka (MF)
04/08/2022    Zak Sturge (DF)
05/08/2022    Marc Cucurella (DF)
11/08/2022    Tyler Dibling (MF)
19/08/2022    Cesare Casadei (MF)
31/08/2022    Wesley Fofana (DF)
01/09/2022    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (FW)
05/01/2023    Benoît Badiashile (DF)
07/01/2023    David Datro Fofana (FW)
07/01/2023    Andrey Santos (MF)
15/01/2023    Mykhailo Mudryk (MF)

On loan:
01/09/2022    Denis Zakaria (MF)
11/01/2023    João Félix (FW)

At the time of speaking, we had scored 21 league goals this season (now 22 with Havertz's winner against Crystal Palace). So we can conclude that this commentator is, predictably, full of sh*t.

 

Never let facts get in the way of a good story. We’re also still interested in Fernandez, in case you hadn’t heard!

Just rush them all in before the gate is shut by FFP next season. Those guys on 7 years deal, wouldn't be surprised if some of them out on loan for a couple of years.

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

The extra long contracts are there to use an accounting method to off set FFP rules 

It's called " amortization" apparently.  You'll have to look it up, but Pat Nevin mentioned it on 5L today . Dunno what to make of it personally, don't know enough about it tbh.

Winston Bogarde situations in the future?

 

 

Yeah FFP runs on 3 year cycles so buying a £100m in 3 instalments makes a huge difference. For example, for Enzo, Benfica wanted the release clause in one payment. That would add £100m onto our books. However with Shakhtar, they were happy to have staggered payments (don’t know exactly the amounts) but an example would be £25m + £25m + £25m. 

The amortised fee and contracts get around FFP

7 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Yeah FFP runs on 3 year cycles so buying a £100m in 3 instalments makes a huge difference. For example, for Enzo, Benfica wanted the release clause in one payment. That would add £100m onto our books. However with Shakhtar, they were happy to have staggered payments (don’t know exactly the amounts) but an example would be £25m + £25m + £25m. 

The amortised fee and contracts get around FFP

Thanks for info.

But on radio they suggested that for accounting purposes the fee is written as being spread over the term of the contract?

Can't think of any other clubs giving such long contracts for FFP reasons though. Isn't it risky if players turn out to be useless?.

 

2 hours ago, OneTommyLangley said:

Alonso was a gifted luxury player that often delivered when he had quality around him.

Cucurella isnt a very good footballer who looks clown like when running .....harsh but not an unreasonable comparison.

Just waiting for Potter to disown him 

 

 

I was convinced he was good.

Watching brief TV highlights is my excuse!!

16 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Yeah FFP runs on 3 year cycles so buying a £100m in 3 instalments makes a huge difference. For example, for Enzo, Benfica wanted the release clause in one payment. That would add £100m onto our books. However with Shakhtar, they were happy to have staggered payments (don’t know exactly the amounts) but an example would be £25m + £25m + £25m. 

The amortised fee and contracts get around FFP

Whether you pay the fee in one instalment or on a phased basis isn't all that relevant. It's all about amortisation  over the contract length.  Its a standard concept in accountancy which means you charge the expenditure over the life of the asset. Its more routinely called depreciation for fixed assets but for intangible assets or football players it's called amortisation. 

What I'm not sure about is what happens when you renew a contract before it runs out. 

When you revise the useful life of say a building or revalue it you then change the annual depreciation charge. Not sure how that works with players and FFP.

8 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Thanks for info.

But on radio they suggested that for accounting purposes the fee is written as being spread over the term of the contract?

Can't think of any other clubs giving such long contracts for FFP reasons though. Isn't it risky if players turn out to be useless?.

 

The transfer fee is divided by the length of the contract I think. So for the new guy, it would be £89m divded by 7.5 years = £11m is added onto the books which I believe is relatively cheap. 

9 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The transfer fee is divided by the length of the contract I think. So for the new guy, it would be £89m divded by 7.5 years = £11m is added onto the books which I believe is relatively cheap. 

Cheers mate. The other thing is puzzling me is how do the new players fit into our 25 man squad? How do we get round that ?