Well their first work has been to f**k up that Enzo deal, so colour me unimpressed so far.

I think it's unfair as describing being unwilling to spend €120m on a 21 year old from the Portuguese league a f**k up. 

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

I think it's unfair as describing being unwilling to spend €120m on a 21 year old from the Portuguese league a f**k up. 

I am sure @Argocould put it a very colorful way.

4 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Does anyone know what Vivell and Winstanley's records are with transfers? I know we went for Christoph Freund who did a good job at Salzburg.

Will be an interesting window with them there as Winstanley is used to working with Potter and his own scout.

Man, Todd could pull a baby out a burning building and this forum would still criticize. 

We’ve been through a level of disruption and change probably greater than any other club in the modern era. New owners have come in and continued to back the club, something that is bigger than any one person. They’ve made some mistakes in what is a very political (old guard) football environment, but am sure they are learning quick. 

Todd was always interim in the capacity he took on. Let’s be honest, a billionaire with numerous interests isn’t going to spend his/her time running a company with annual revenue of £500M - small fish. 

That said, the football results and performances have been poor. We should all expect better - I tell myself every game to be patient (and it’s a test). 

Todd and team are pretty quiet publicly, so we’re left with the English press and social media to fill in the blanks. Sometimes less is more, so be mindful of the quiet ones! 

For me Todd has targeted good names unlike some of the sh*te in previous seasons. It's actually mental we spent almost £60m on Pulisic when it was obvious he was crap before coming to Chelsea. He was benched by Sancho at Dortmund, and Sancho has been poor for Utd. Some of our business has been shocking for about 5-6 seasons now. But then we need a replacement for our wide attacking players. If Joao Felix replicates any kind of good form he's shown in the past then I'm all for it. Too early to judge. As for the others, in hindsight Sterling, Koulibaly, Fofana and Auba were good signings for what we needed at the time. We needed to replace Rudiger and Christensen. We needed to find a ST after Lukaku left, and needed a wide attacking player. If we had kept Alonso I'd have been pissed as he was so poor outside of scoring the occasional goal. So far Todd and Co are targeting young players and building something for the future. Football isn't a short term game, so it's important we also build for the future. 

On 09/01/2023 at 13:59, JM7 said:

Wow - Simon Jordan just now on talkSPORT literally said he knows from the horses mouth why Todd Boehly got rid of Tuchel & he was 100% right & he would have kicked him out even faster than Boehly did! said it’s up to Todd if he releases the whole story. 
 

Also, The day after TT sacking Jason Cundy said in talk sport, “if you knew what I know” you wouldn’t be surprised why he was sacked. 
 

Seems to be more to it. 

You could be right. The wagnh site says we now have the structure in place to allow the coach to concentrate on football and not get involved in transfers etc. Which is the system that TT wanted to keep and was supposedly sacked for not embracing a proposed change to it

20 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

He's stepping down and leaving Vivell and co in charge. 

He's stepping down from that role to become head of the medical team.

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

You could be right. The wagnh site says we now have the structure in place to allow the coach to concentrate on football and not get involved in transfers etc. Which is the system that TT wanted to keep and was supposedly sacked for not embracing a proposed change to it

which is stupid

managers should always have a say in transfer business....this is not f**king NBA/NFL

58 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

which is stupid

managers should always have a say in transfer business....this is not f**king NBA/NFL

Is the way Potter wanted it though, he made that clear when he came that he tells his player needs to that Kyle bloke and his job is to go over that with the new board.

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

which is stupid

managers should always have a say in transfer business....this is not f**king NBA/NFL

I agree. So I still can't figure out what TTs problem was ?

Obviously none of us knows what happened between Tuchel and Boehly. No doubt something happened. Maybe Tuchel did something terrible. But why are we hearing about this now? 

from Boehly’s perspective, isn’t a leak like this kind of beneficial? Things aren’t going great. Fans aren’t happy. By intimating that TT did something really bad but also not saying what it was, it looks like a) he’s vindicated in sacking him and b) he’s someone with integrity for not revealing it.

who knows 🤷‍♂️ 

2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

I agree. So I still can't figure out what TTs problem was ?

So basically and this is me just trying to tie together everything I've heard including from TT's own mouth. 

He wants to coach pure and simple, Thomas isn't interested in working up hereby being part of the 'big decisions' this could be anything really. Nowadays the term head coach and manager gets used interchangeably but there is a big difference. 

Rather than have a role in the management of the club, he purely wants to do all his work on the training ground. It's not to say he doesn't want to be involved in player recruitment, perhaps he wants to give profiles of what he is missing from the club, but rather than scout players he would rather others do that.

I can understand this to a certain extent, some people have no desire to be involved with boardroom decisions and upper management. He's a football coach by profession and after dealing with the likes of PSG's board we can only assume it left a sour taste in his mouth maybe the same was the case with Dortmund.

Klopp on the other hand is the exact type of coach Boehly seeks and I suppose Pep to an extent, but Klopp is much more of a manager than most head coaches in the league. Klopp is involved in all the processes in recruitment, club management etc. Boehly believes Potter can be that for Chelsea, assuming his coaching skills are up to scratch (which is of questionable but only time will tell).

I don't know if I buy into all the TT wasn't sacked from results and from other 'really' bad things that can't be mentioned'! It strangely came out a few days after fans chant his name!

Either release what he allegedly did or don't say anything at all, otherwise it makes you look a bit desperate! Possibly another embarressing thing tied to the club in such little time!

Sounds like it was a tiff I think most of us can imagine what happened. Someone mentioned the other day he probably just said you don't know what you're doing, you don't know anything about football blah blah, RA would never do this, maybe you shouldn't have bought the club. It could have been anything scathing, enough to the point Boehly just figured it was the excuse to do what he really wanted.....which was get his own man in. 

I think in any job it's important to have a good relationship with your boss, especiallywhere you can be honest. Ultimately being too honest  however, could actually get you sacked so it's a fine line. Knowing how fiery Tuchel is I think he said something that crossed the line. Let's not forget Americans are softies compared to Brits and Europeans in general they're so easily offended.

Remember Lukaku would not work with TT, that was made apparent despite TT willing to work with him this season. Add in the falling out with Timo who apparently before that didn't want to leave and we see a pattern.

I love TT but I can imagine if you know the real him, the demanding, perfectionist, egocentric version it would be a lot. Ofc no one is perfect and divorcing his wife probably did have him more prickly than usual so there's plenty of variables to be considered.

This is ofc all conjecture and we may perhaps never know what happened, but if we use the past to infer I think we can draw out own conclusions on the matter.

20 minutes ago, Mod said:

I don't know if I buy into all the TT wasn't sacked from results and from other 'really' bad things that can't be mentioned'! It strangely came out a few days after fans chant his name!

Either release what he allegedly did or don't say anything at all, otherwise it makes you look a bit desperate! Possibly another embarressing thing tied to the club in such little time!

Well Boehly hasn't said anything at all has he? 

This has come about because Simon Jordan heard something probably from Jason Cundy, who talked about it when the sacking happened on the same station.

My guess is that Tuchel do something directly to Boehly but people in the club, maybe was slagging off Boehly to the staff. Because the fact that Cundy knows what happened implies it's someone in and around the club. 

Edited January 10, 20233 yr by bisright1

Just now, bisright1 said:

Well Boehly hasn't said anything at all has he? 

This has come about because Simon Jordan heard something probably from Jason Cundy, who talked about it when the sacking happened on the same station.

The cleaner would have more access to Todd & Tommy's sacking discussion than Jordan or Cundy, it came from somewhere!

..maybe that cleaner then!

2 minutes ago, Mod said:

The cleaner would have more access to Todd & Tommy's sacking discussion than Jordan or Cundy, it came from somewhere!

..maybe that cleaner then!

Yeah in my edit that's what I added. The cleaner will have leaked to Cundy. As those are the types of people Cundy has access to but journalists don't! 

Either way, 1) we don't know and 2) we can't really bash Boehly for this story. As if Boehly wanted to leak it, it wouldn't be on talksport, it would be in the guardian or the times. 

Edited January 10, 20233 yr by bisright1

Not so much bashing Boehly for it, but somebody has an agenda.. it could in fact be all nonsense and put out there to 'justify' the sacking a bit more!

3 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Sounds like it was a tiff I think most of us can imagine what happened. Someone mentioned the other day he probably just said you don't know what you're doing, you don't know anything about football blah blah, RA would never do this, maybe you shouldn't have bought the club. It could have been anything scathing, enough to the point Boehly just figured it was the excuse to do what he really wanted.....which was get his own man in. 

I think in any job it's important to have a good relationship with your boss, especiallywhere you can be honest. Ultimately being too honest  however, could actually get you sacked so it's a fine line. Knowing how fiery Tuchel is I think he said something that crossed the line. Let's not forget Americans are softies compared to Brits and Europeans in general they're so easily offended.

Remember Lukaku would not work with TT, that was made apparent despite TT willing to work with him this season. Add in the falling out with Timo who apparently before that didn't want to leave and we see a pattern.

I love TT but I can imagine if you know the real him, the demanding, perfectionist, egocentric version it would be a lot. Ofc no one is perfect and divorcing his wife probably did have him more prickly than usual so there's plenty of variables to be considered.

This is ofc all conjecture and we may perhaps never know what happened, but if we use the past to infer I think we can draw out own conclusions on the matter.

Yeah . The divorce was definitely a red flag as I discussed with @axman2526 I believe. It’s pretty stressful, not speaking from personal experience… yet :). . And there does seem to be enough smoke in terms of other bust ups to suggest possibly a minor personality disorder of some sort. A lot of (most?) uber successful/driven people have one (or am I just making excuses for being a failure?). I say all this as a fan who thinks sacking him there and then was nuts.

9 minutes ago, Dean said:

Yeah . The divorce was definitely a red flag as I discussed with @axman2526 I believe. It’s pretty stressful, not speaking from personal experience… yet :). . And there does seem to be enough smoke in terms of other bust ups to suggest possibly a minor personality disorder of some sort. A lot of (most?) uber successful/driven people have one (or am I just making excuses for being a failure?). I say all this as a fan who thinks sacking him there and then was nuts.

I agree tbh, I'm just not sure if it was a personality disorder (which I could totally see it being) or just a total breakdown (mental). I think highly successful people to an extent get so caught up in their own ego sometimes they sometimes lose part of what made them successful which was a certain sense of humility. Before winning the coach of the year and ucl he probably thought he was special, but afterwards he knew he was. 

Speaking fom my own experience sometimes success can be just as humbling as failure. Especially when you get something you've really wanted, you perhaps become slightly conceited without meaning to. That could be part of why he got divorced (maybe he changed) it's so hard to know the ins and outs.

The fact we're all discussing this just shows how much the modern football coach's life is on display for the world to see. It's not an easy job so many different pressures, maybe that's what finally did him in. 

Edited January 10, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

To be honest, I don't know how any football/sports manager at the highest level can get a hold of a wife at all. They must be absolutely exhausting, always kinda grumpy with results and/or totally absent thinking about either the previous or the next match. It surely can't be easy for their relatives as even when they hit their highest moment winning trophies, you just know you gotta keep up/improve next season or you're fired. 

To just comment on the things we know / allegation that was made public.

TT had a hell of a year. Went from married football manager to divorcee political spokesperson that’s also a football manager. Wouldn’t surprise me if that all became a bit too much for him. 

on the other hand if the allegation of sending his agent to the recruitment meetings is true there are so many things that are terribly wrong with that 

To correct my earlier post, it was actually the morning after the Man City 'Tommy chants' match....

It's all a bit suspect!

Simon said Boehly was right to sack Tuchel yet refused to say what he knew, then went on about how bad Chelsea and Potter was. It didn't tell anything we were not aware before, just throw more dirt at Chelsea. Well played.