2 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I don't think anyone is suggesting what was done was done to punish Chelsea. People are suggesting that what was done ends up punishing Chelsea and Chelsea fans the most rather the intended target which is Putin and Roman.

Gol 15 is...

He literally said: 

"and they said nope, your club will suffer! Clueless politicians."

 

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Gol 15 is...

He literally said: 

"and they said nope, your club will suffer! Clueless politicians."

 

Ah okay I must have missed that!

3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Chelsea are of course impacted by the decision to sanction Roman. That is very different to what you set out, saying that politicians decided to sanction chelsea to "punish" us.

And no, Chelsea fans have not been sanctioned

Your views are juvenile, irrational and shows a clear lack of nuance. The fact that you respond by calling me an "idiot" simply reinforces this view. 

Resorting to name calling is not a good look!

Practically they are punishing Chelsea by not allowing Roman to sell and by not allowing fans to buy tickets and and so on. This is the outcome, now try to spin it as much as you want it changes nothing, you're deluded.

Just now, Gol15 said:

Practically they are punishing Chelsea by not allowing Roman to sell and by not allowing fans to buy tickets and and so on. This is the outcome, now try to spin it as much as you want it changes nothing, you're deluded.

Your opinion, does not trump any actual facts. 

You said clearly:

"and they said nope, your club will suffer! Clueless politicians."
 

So, do you wish to stick or twist? Do you maintain your view that politicians sanctioned Roman to make "your club suffer" , or do you want to take back your nonsense, juvenile, uniformed opinion?

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Practically they are punishing Chelsea by not allowing Roman to sell and by not allowing fans to buy tickets and and so on. This is the outcome, now try to spin it as much as you want it changes nothing, you're deluded.

It has more similarities to a business in receivership than to a government vendetta against Chelsea.

Just now, Valerie said:

It has more similarities to a business in receivership than to a government vendetta against Chelsea.

I'm not saying it's vendetta against Chelsea but by doing this move most fans that don't have seasonal tickets won't be able to attend games and that's a practical outcome for having a vendetta against Putin though Roman. So they are in fact, punishing any normal person out there by putting sanctions on the club regardless of what their justification is or their reasons are and I already think that going after Roman doesn't affect Putin at all so I see all this as stupidity in motion.

Just now, Gol15 said:

I'm not saying it's vendetta against Chelsea but by doing this move most fans that don't have seasonal tickets won't be able to attend games and that's a practical outcome for having a vendetta against Putin though Roman. So they are in fact, punishing any normal person out there by putting sanctions on the club regardless of what their justification is or their reasons are and I already think that going after Roman doesn't affect Putin at all so I see all this as stupidity in motion.

So why did you say earlier that politicians made the decision to "punish" chelsea?

Get your story straight!

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

So why did you say earlier that politicians made the decision to "punish" chelsea?

Get your story straight!

Because unlik you I'm seeing the practical outcome of the situation.

After all you said that "I repeat again, football or Chelsea FC had ZERO to do with the decision to sanction Roman." - fake news by you to begin with.

46 minutes ago, coco said:

every nation produces and sells weapons, its called defence.

Thats not the point. Saudi wont be involved in sanctions, whilst they are being supplied by the US and UK.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

Because unlik you I'm seeing the practical outcome of the situation.

After all you said that "I repeat again, football or Chelsea FC had ZERO to do with the decision to sanction Roman." - fake news by you to begin with.

It takes a big man to admit they were wrong....

....clearly you are not one.  

You know nothing about the sanctions regime, you know nothing about the process followed, you know nothing about the legal/evidential threshold.

The decision to sanction Roman had nothing to do with punishing chelsea. The same way that the other 7 oligarchs that were sanctioned today, had nothing to do with punishing chelsea. 

His assets are getting frozen because he has links to the Russian invasion in Ukraine. There's links to him having money in steel manufacturing which is currently being used for tanks in the Russian Army that's killing civilians in Ukraine. It really is amazing to see what tribalism does to fans of football clubs. There's a war going on in europe and people in this thread are saying its AGAINST CHELSEA! No it's not, we're an asset of a oligarch linked to Putin.

If he sold the club then the money goes to him and maybe Russia. The government taking control of the sale of the club now makes sure the money does not go to Roman. As much as I am grateful for Roman and the success over the past 20 years. It's nothing to what the country of Ukraine is going through right now and he should be sanctioned.

The premier league needs to look at other clubs now so something like this doesn't happen again and I can only hope that the government protect us as an asset and a sale is not a fire sale and well thought out.

 

Edited March 10, 20224 yr by Sheva

1 minute ago, Sheva said:

His assets are getting frozen because he has links to the Russian invasion in Ukraine. There's links to him having money in steel manufacturing which is currently being used for tanks in the Russian Army that's killing civilians in Ukraine. It really is amazing to see what tribalism does to fans of football clubs. There's a war going on in europe and people in this thread are saying its AGAINST CHELSEA! No it's not, we're an asset of a oligarch linked to Putin.

If he sold the club then the money goes to him and maybe Russia. The government taking control of the sale of the club now makes sure the money does not go to Roman. As much as I am grateful for Roman and the success over the past 20 years. It's nothing to what the country of Ukraine is going through right now and he should be sanctioned.

The premier league needs to look at other clubs now so something like this doesn't happen again and I can only hope that the government protect us as an asset and a sale is not a fire sale and well thought out.

 

Spot on.

At last some sense talking against the juvenile nonsense that Gol15 spreads.

Great post

I said before that even though Roman has been a good owner, we've also only won the league twice in the last 12 seasons, which is absolutely  abysmal to be honest. We've wasted a lot of money on poor players. If we get a new owner, I hope they can resolve this and have us competing domestically again. 

Sad end to the Roman era and a bit of a bummer that I have train booked and hotel booked as was coming down from Edinburgh for the Brentford game and my contact said today that I was unlikely yo get my tickets for me and my son so if anyone knows another way to get to the game let me know 👍

17 minutes ago, Sheva said:

His assets are getting frozen because he has links to the Russian invasion in Ukraine. There's links to him having money in steel manufacturing which is currently being used for tanks in the Russian Army that's killing civilians in Ukraine. It really is amazing to see what tribalism does to fans of football clubs. There's a war going on in europe and people in this thread are saying its AGAINST CHELSEA! No it's not, we're an asset of a oligarch linked to Putin.

If he sold the club then the money goes to him and maybe Russia. The government taking control of the sale of the club now makes sure the money does not go to Roman. As much as I am grateful for Roman and the success over the past 20 years. It's nothing to what the country of Ukraine is going through right now and he should be sanctioned.

The premier league needs to look at other clubs now so something like this doesn't happen again and I can only hope that the government protect us as an asset and a sale is not a fire sale and well thought out.

 

You can't deny that they are restricting Roman from selling the club, you can't deny that they are effectively hurting the club. Him selling the club was done in order to protect the club and to distance himself from the club, and the government decided that it won't be possible to do that. So practically it is against Chelsea, this is a fact because it's not just Roman being affected but most fans as well. The fans are not an asset of Putin, you can forget about that.

4 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

You can't deny that they are restricting Roman from selling the club, you can't deny that they are effectively hurting the club. Him selling the club was done in order to protect the club and to distance himself from the club, and the government decided that it won't be possible to do that. So practically it is against Chelsea, this is a fact because it's not just Roman being affected but most fans as well. The fans are not an asset of Putin, you can forget about that.

They are now in control of the sale of the club and by the looks of it the club will get sold with government approval. They are preventing Roman from making money off the sale which is the right thing to do. If his money is dirty and it looks like it is then he's complicit with the invasion that's going on in Ukraine. It doesn't matter if Roman wants the invasion to happen or not, this is how he's made his money and it's his bed he must lie in.

We've accepted Roman because of all the success he's given us. We must accept that we're an asset of his and that has now come with consequences.

 

2 minutes ago, Sheva said:

They are now in control of the sale of the club and by the looks of it the club will get sold with government approval. They are preventing Roman from making money off the sale which is the right thing to do. If his money is dirty and it looks like it is then he's complicit with the invasion that's going on in Ukraine. It doesn't matter if Roman wants the invasion to happen or not, this is how he's made his money and it's his bed he must lie in.

We've accepted Roman because of all the success he's given us. We must accept that we're an asset of his and that has now come with consequences.

 

Speak for yourself, I am not an asset of Roman nor of Putin. 

22 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

You can't deny that they are restricting Roman from selling the club, you can't deny that they are effectively hurting the club. Him selling the club was done in order to protect the club and to distance himself from the club, and the government decided that it won't be possible to do that. So practically it is against Chelsea, this is a fact because it's not just Roman being affected but most fans as well. The fans are not an asset of Putin, you can forget about that.

It is not against Chelsea you cretin. 

Chelsea are impacted. Yes. We get that!  That is a by product of the sanctions. Simply because we are effected does not make it /the government against us or mean that Chelsea were targeted. 

Edited March 10, 20224 yr by nonotnowjim

The sale will happen. There is no chance he refuses to sell. IMO

Raine have paused for 24-48 hrs to establish where the proceeds go and to who, and then the process continues.  I'd even suspect a sale take place quicker now as the price will tumble, even more interest will arise from this. My money is still on Wyss/Boehly + 1 other investor.  

I'd also not be surprised to see some form of legal action attempted, not saying i agree, because some of the sanctions are a little over the top IMO. The block of player sales for one, it'd be borderline slavery otherwise lol. I could possibly see that being revoked.  

 

 

Just now, Gol15 said:

Speak for yourself, I am not an asset of Roman nor of Putin. 

I'd hope you would understand that I meant 'we' as a club not as an individual.

 

 

42 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Spot on.

At last some sense talking against the juvenile nonsense that Gol15 spreads.

Great post

 

2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

It is not against Chelsea you cretin. 

Chelsea are impacted. Yes. We get that!  That is a by product of the sanctions. Simply because we are effected does not make it /the government against us or mean that Chelsea were targeted. 

So you first accept that YOU are an asset of Roman and thus of Putin just as the club is, but then you say Chelsea wasn’t targeted even though the full focus of sanctioning Chelsea is the CFC? You have 0 common sense here, you can’t have it both ways you idiot...

Just now, Sheva said:

I'd hope you would understand that I meant 'we' as a club not as an individual.

 

 

Then why fans can’t buy tickets anymore?

30 minutes ago, enigma said:

I said before that even though Roman has been a good owner, we've also only won the league twice in the last 12 seasons, which is absolutely  abysmal to be honest. We've wasted a lot of money on poor players. If we get a new owner, I hope they can resolve this and have us competing domestically again. 

This is exactly how I also see it. We are now in a position where we can be sustainable if we cut down on the stupid player purchases that we've made over and over again. You can't get every signing right, but the regularity with which we throw money away is ridiculous.

It's a shame this is how it's going to end for Roman, but the writing has been on the wall for a long time. I just wish there was accountability for everybody. US and other powerful allies can invade other countries without consequences (see Iraq) and continue to cozy up to killers like Saudi Arabia. The world is full of hypocrites.

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Then why fans can’t buy tickets anymore?

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

 

So you first accept that YOU are an asset of Roman and thus of Putin just as the club is, but then you say Chelsea wasn’t targeted even though the full focus of sanctioning Chelsea is the CFC? You have 0 common sense here, you can’t have it both ways you idiot...

More incoherent nonsense... as always. 

I am very clear. 

These sanctions target Roman Abramovich, and 6 other oligarchs. 

They do not target me, you, anybody else on this forum or Chelsea fc

The fact that they impact Chelsea is undeniable - but that is irrelevant when it comes to intent.

Yoy have consistently said that you think Chelsea were targeted, and in doing so, you show your immaturity and lack of grasp about how The UK government sanctions regime works.