2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Then you simply don't remember so well. Villas Boas tried to change everything according to his philosophy. Pressing high and high-line defence and a more possession based style of football than what we had seen previously.
In fact it was very similar to what Sarri is trying to do right now.

I genuinely can't remember much about his time here at all.

47 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Ole is getting these results based on motivation and the fact he has a squad of world class players at his disposal. Our results improved under Guus when Mourinho went too, no one suggested making him permanent. If Ole is still doing well 2 years down the line its worth considering, right now this is one of the worst opinions i've seen on here. 

Not sure which of the two times it was but there was definitely suggestions of making him permanent after the FA Cup win I’m sure but he didn’t want to leave Russia apparently (musta been the first time then). Other than that I do agree, but if we do sack Sarri it wouldn’t surprise me to see the board try this.

2 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

I genuinely can't remember much about his time here at all.

Thats fine, but he did try to revolutionize Chelsea. He just failed at it and it was the correct descision to sack him early and not wait three years and see where we may have been at that point.

Even recently i've seen people bring up the Arsenal-game at home where we lost 3-5. But let me tell you, the two recent games against Bournemouth and City have both been worse than we looked on that day under Villas Boas.

Edited February 12, 20197 yr by Sindre

51 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Ole is getting these results based on motivation and the fact he has a squad of world class players at his disposal. Our results improved under Guus when Mourinho went too, no one suggested making him permanent. If Ole is still doing well 2 years down the line its worth considering, right now this is one of the worst opinions i've seen on here. 

Also, look what happened with Di Matteo in his next season, he was garbage. 

The same will happen with Ole when he starts the season fresh. 

8 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

The issue we had in 2011 was similar to now. Our squad was ageing, it needed fresh ideas. An old squad can pull out cup wins, but it couldn't win the league. That was proven with us and it was proven with United where Fergie refreshed constantly. 

I don't think the squad's are in anyway comparable.

The 2011 squad was f**ked. We didn't have a single player who was at the level of competing at the level we aspire to be, the old guard and the support cast were well past their best, Mata and Luiz were good but flawed and the rest were plain average. Thank God they pulled off that final hurrah in Munich because it gave us the cash to speed up the rebuild.

This time round we have the base of a squad capable of competing, if Pulisic and Higuain succeed i feel we are a top LB and decentish goalscoring CM signing away from challenging, assuming we don't lose Hazard.

Edited February 12, 20197 yr by Argo

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I don't think the squad's are in anyway comparable.

The 2011 squad was f**ked. We didn't have a single player who was at the level of competing at the level we aspire to be, the old guard and the support cast were well past their best, Mata and Luiz were good but flawed and the rest were plain average. Thank God they pulled off that final hurrah in Munich because it gave us the cash to speed up the rebuild.

This time round we have the base of a squad capable of competing, if Pulisic and Higuain succeed i feel we are a top LB and decentish goalscoring CM signing away from challenging, assuming we don't lose Hazard.

Sounds pretty similar to me to be honest. 

We need to cut Luiz, Alonso, Pedro, willian, hazard (in my opinion) from our squad. We have maybe got a striker for 18 months but after that? Add we need quality in the middle. 

I'd say rudiger, kepa and Kante are the only two players who are undroppable for the next 2 seasons.

Teams f**ked now. Team was f**ked then. 

I think the issues run deeper than just changing the manager and its been prevalent the last few managers. The players have had issues with Mourinho and Conte and now with Sarri. What's to say that it would work with Lampard, or Blanc, or freaking Guardiola for that matter. These problems are deep rooted right now and its going to take serious change to get rid of them, not just continuously sacking the manager and hoping that the next one is a savior. Because we know that even if they win the league, FA, whatever first year that things turn sour and the club will then sack them because we didn't win the league again or some other issue, or the players will turn on manager for the nth time in a row. 

3 hours ago, Sindre said:

De Gea, Pogba. I don't see anyone else world-class in that squad.
I think Ole will get the job and i think he will do well.

 

I understand what you are saying - but the likes of Martiall, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez, Herrera, Bailly are really good players, So if a manager is able to motivate them and use them in proper formations then there are results to be obtained. Are they world beaters ? No, But are they enough to get Utd into top 4 ? Absolutely.

United will regret keeping OGS long term. He's riding a wave of positivity but they'll be back to being rubbish if they keep him I reckon.

5 hours ago, drjonesy1994 said:

This. Football is a results based business, and at present we are not getting the results and that's what Roman/ the board will be looking at. It is no good saying 'oh well we might be good in 3 years' if you are rubbish currently.

I get the idea of the club wanting to implement a long term strategy, but surely there has to be some consideration on the here and now.

My point is precisely this! If we are going to give anyone time then let it be Frank, he has a great record with the kids and the present players will walk across hot coals for him!

I think a little too early for Frank, one for the longer future for me.

6 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I think a little too early for Frank, one for the longer future for me.

He's on a similar number of games as a manager to what Pep and Zizou were when they took the Barca and Madrid jobs.

I think if the board let Sarri go turning to Lamps is the best option we have. He (like Zizou with the Real squad) will command the respect due to who he is and given his own personal experience with AVB he will know exactly what to do and what not to do to keep them on side, he also plays an attacking style which i believe we should carry on with regardless of what happens now with Sarri.

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

He's on a similar number of games as a manager to what Pep and Zizou were when they took the Barca and Madrid jobs.

I think if the board let Sarri go turning to Lamps is the best option we have. He (like Zizou with the Real squad) will command the respect due to who he is and given his own personal experience with AVB he will know exactly what to do and what not to do to keep them on side, he also plays an attacking style which i believe we should carry on with regardless of what happens now with Sarri.

Agree he will get the respect though not sure...................

5 hours ago, Luca Vialli said:

I genuinely can't remember much about his time here at all.

Villas-Boas feels like such a long time ago, but it was the same season we won the Champions League and that doesn't feel like it happened too long ago.

2 hours ago, rtwelch said:

United will regret keeping OGS long term. He's riding a wave of positivity but they'll be back to being rubbish if they keep him I reckon.

All he did was play the players who had been phased out by Jose. I don't know what Jose was thinking. He made himself look incompetent at Utd. Strange behaviour from such a successful and experienced coach. 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

He's on a similar number of games as a manager to what Pep and Zizou were when they took the Barca and Madrid jobs.

I think if the board let Sarri go turning to Lamps is the best option we have. He (like Zizou with the Real squad) will command the respect due to who he is and given his own personal experience with AVB he will know exactly what to do and what not to do to keep them on side, he also plays an attacking style which i believe we should carry on with regardless of what happens now with Sarri.

Except Zidane and Pep together had the following players:

Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto'o, Busquets, Bale, Modric, Kroos, Marcelo, Alves, Villa, Puyol, Pique, Ramos, Carvajal, Benzema etc. It helps when you got elite game changers at your disposal who are also big game players. 

Problem with comparison with AVB is it's a lazy one. AVB got his break due to being Mourinho's assistant. He also managed a Porto team with genuinely good players like Falcao, Hulk, Rodriquez etc in a league which is quite weak.

Sarri built a side of non-world class players and improved them, turned them into a well oiled machine and almost ended Juventus reign in a much tougher league. Sarri's ability as a coach should never come into question.

When Pep and Sacchi, two of the greatest coaches in world football, are complimenting Sarri on his tactical proficiency, it's not for nothing. 

2 hours ago, Argo said:

He's on a similar number of games as a manager to what Pep and Zizou were when they took the Barca and Madrid jobs.

I think if the board let Sarri go turning to Lamps is the best option we have. He (like Zizou with the Real squad) will command the respect due to who he is and given his own personal experience with AVB he will know exactly what to do and what not to do to keep them on side, he also plays an attacking style which i believe we should carry on with regardless of what happens now with Sarri.

Nonsense 

I think it would be a mistake for Frank to take the chelsea job while the club is in such a mess. Gain some more experience with Derby, hopefully get promoted with them, them maybe look at the Chelsea job in a couple of years.

Having said that I wouldn't mean seeing a British coach alongside the manager (whoever it is). Conte was much better with Steve Holland, and Carlo with Butch. Somebody like Jody Morris would be a great assistant coach I think.

I just had a horrible thought, please forgive me for putting it in this post.

What if OGS does not work out for ManU, and they sign Frank as their new manager?

I would be sick.

Having a solid belly laugh at the title of this thread after Man Utd finally came up against a good side and got thumped

5 hours ago, RMCM said:

Having a solid belly laugh at the title of this thread after Man Utd finally came up against a good side and got thumped

I find this a weird thing folk are saying around here they beat Arsenal & Spurs who both pumped us.

I think folk are clutching at straws because it’s OGS & United. He’s done a brilliant job since he’s come in and as for ‘it’s teams they should beat. We should beat Bournemouth but got humped 4-0. PSG have an insane amount of world class talent and have probably outspent even United. It’s hardly a surprise they beat them.

5 hours ago, RMCM said:

Having a solid belly laugh at the title of this thread after Man Utd finally came up against a good side and got thumped

heh, me too. And that too a PSG side without Neymar and Cavani at that.

2 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I find this a weird thing folk are saying around here they beat Arsenal & Spurs who both pumped us.

I think folk are clutching at straws because it’s OGS & United. He’s done a brilliant job since he’s come in and as for ‘it’s teams they should beat. We should beat Bournemouth but got humped 4-0. PSG have an insane amount of world class talent and have probably outspent even United. It’s hardly a surprise they beat them.

I don't think it's clutching at straws when people are reading too much into Utd's resurgence under OGS. It's way too early to say that OGS has revitalized Utd. So when people start glorifying Utd's current form, it's only obvious that people will point out when they falter against good opposition.

3 minutes ago, Girish said:

I don't think it's clutching at straws when people are reading too much into Utd's resurgence under OGS. It's way too early to say that OGS has revitalized Utd. So when people start glorifying Utd's current form, it's only obvious that people will point out when they falter against good opposition.

He has revitalised them though, 10 wins in 12 is a hell of a lot better than they were as well as being 11 points behind the top 4 - now they are 4th and certainly classed as ‘revitalised’. You can debate whether it’ll be sustainable or not all you want because none of us known, but downplaying the job he’s done so far is stupid IMO.