7 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

He has revitalised them though, 10 wins in 12 is a hell of a lot better than they were as well as being 11 points behind the top 4 - now they are 4th and certainly classed as ‘revitalised’. You can debate whether it’ll be sustainable or not all you want because none of us known, but downplaying the job he’s done so far is stupid IMO.

You could say the same for us under Guus Hiddink or RDM. But we knew the former wasn't a permanent solution and we all know how it ended for the latter. It doesn't take an expert to know that Utd. players pretty much ganged up and stopped playing for Mourinho. OGS is giving them more freedom to express themselves since he knows he probably won't get the job full time. He's probably also more open to suggestions from the players as well. But in the event that he does get the permanent job and when he has to actually start asserting his own principles onto the squad, that's when his true managerial skills will come into play. Hence, I firmly believe that you cannot judge OGS or Utd's performance solely on their performance now.

 

And oh, let's not forget our own unbeaten run with Sarri at the beginning of the season and how everyone thought Sarri had turned around the team.

Edited February 13, 20197 yr by Girish

15 minutes ago, Girish said:

You could say the same for us under Guus Hiddink or RDM. But we knew the former wasn't a permanent solution and we all know how it ended for the latter. It doesn't take an expert to know that Utd. players pretty much ganged up and stopped playing for Mourinho. OGS is giving them more freedom to express themselves since he knows he probably won't get the job full time. He's probably also more open to suggestions from the players as well. But in the event that he does get the permanent job and when he has to actually start asserting his own principles onto the squad, that's when his true managerial skills will come into play. Hence, I firmly believe that you cannot judge OGS or Utd's performance solely on their performance now.

Pretty much that entire response is you making assumptions/speculation  that you can’t possbily know for fact unless you’re in the changing rooms with them.

I’ve addressed the Hiddink point before, there was people on this board who were keen for him to stay on permanently, there’s probably a thread a way back but I don’t fancy digging it out but it’s easier to link an article of when he said it was impossible.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/5137188/Guus-Hiddink-I-cant-stay-as-manager-of-Chelsea.html

 

At the end of the day United’s form has drastically improved under him, is he the answer for them? No one knows yet, but for a relatively inexperienced l (with a top side manager) he’s done a good job thus far. 

I don't know much about how Ole's been managing the team, from surface it seems he just let the players do what they know best, keep it simple and play to their strength. He didn't suddenly fix all their problems, he just played to their strength and picked players on form. He's a club legend and has the players respect, so it's likely players will listen to his instructions. I reckon if Frank gets the job, he will do all that and hopefully a bit more. Right now it may not be the time, but he's destined to get there.

So if you're saying no one can know if he's the long term answer, surely most people on this thread are right to say hiring Lampard would be a daft decision? Likelihood being we get a good 6 months out of him and the squad, he then gets the sack and his career tails off like RDM?

3 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

He has revitalised them though, 10 wins in 12 is a hell of a lot better than they were as well as being 11 points behind the top 4 - now they are 4th and certainly classed as ‘revitalised’. You can debate whether it’ll be sustainable or not all you want because none of us known, but downplaying the job he’s done so far is stupid IMO.

I just feel like any 'nice' manager would have gotten the same results out of United, it's clear they have a team of good players there. I feel like a lot is being made of OGS as a manager as opposed to the players actually deciding to play again. Last night showed a lot of tactical naivety on his part, and while he's done well to get them back to the top 4 I just don't rate him as the chosen one that their fans and media are bleating on about 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So if you're saying no one can know if he's the long term answer, surely most people on this thread are right to say hiring Lampard would be a daft decision? Likelihood being we get a good 6 months out of him and the squad, he then gets the sack and his career tails off like RDM?

If you actually read the post I quoted and what I said in response, you’ll see quite clearly that’s not what I took issue with. The fact there’s some folk refusing to accept/acknowledge that OGS has done well at United is what I take issue with as it’s ridiculous.

 

Appointing any manager is a gamble if they’ll work long term. Look at Sarri it’s been 8 months and the fan base is split, there is no certainty’s in football. 

Edited February 13, 20197 yr by EdinburghBlue

2 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

If you actually read the post I quoted and what I said in response, you’ll see quite clearly that’s not what I took issue with. The fact there’s some folk refusing to accept/acknowledge that OGS has done well at United is what I take issue with as it’s ridiculous.

He's done great. But they didn't do great yesterday in a proper test. How will he do if we then beat them on Monday? Out of two competitions. That's the real test. 

Managers aren't judged on how they do in the honeymoon but in moments like now. 

If you want someone to say it. Yes he's done a lovely job up until yesterday. 

44 minutes ago, RMCM said:

I just feel like any 'nice' manager would have gotten the same results out of United, it's clear they have a team of good players there. I feel like a lot is being made of OGS as a manager as opposed to the players actually deciding to play again. Last night showed a lot of tactical naivety on his part, and while he's done well to get them back to the top 4 I just don't rate him as the chosen one that their fans and media are bleating on about 

You could be right that any nice manager would have turned them around but they didn’t and it was him. I wouldn’t expect anything less than tactical naivety as I mentioned before he’s not vastly experienced at the top level.

and that’s fine, I totally respect if people have different opinions on the final outcome of him at United. Personally, I have no idea how it’ll go for them. it’s the people complete dismissal of him as it’s teams they should beat but the same people will back Sarri to the hilt while we get pumped 4-0 off Bournemouth, it doesn’t make sense. 

 

Anyway, I’m not gonna keep arguing the same point - OGS might turn out to be sh*te and will fade down the leagues over the next few months/years or he could be the second coming of Ferguson for United. What I would say is I don’t think even Pep could have beat PSG team with that United team.

21 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

The fact there’s some folk refusing to accept/acknowledge that OGS has done well at United is what I take issue with as it’s ridiculous.

 

I don't see how he's done well though? He's beaten everyone Utd were expected to beat and then got embarrassed by PSG without Neymar or Cavani???

The players deserve the credit, not the manager.

I just had a horrible thought, please forgive me for putting it in this post.
What if OGS does not work out for ManU, and they sign Frank as their new manager?
I would be sick.

I doubt United will ever go for him or any of our former players except one had an incredible success somewhere.

Having a solid belly laugh at the title of this thread after Man Utd finally came up against a good side and got thumped

What I found more funny is that if Jose was still there, they won't have lost at home against that PSG team.

So far Utd have done very well, they struggled against Spurs yet got a result though yesterday's result with a couple of injuries will test them.

They have the squad to cover the injuries yet the next match for them is important in terms of self-belief and as it happens ironically it is against us.

I want a dream team of:

Ballack as DOF 

Frank as manager 

JT as assistant 

Essien as coach 

 

..and Torres cleaning the showers.

 

 

21 hours ago, JM7 said:

I want a dream team of:

Ballack as DOF 

Frank as manager 

JT as assistant 

Essien as coach 

..and Torres cleaning the showers.

 

That could be dangerous as people might slip in the showers.

Ballack as DOF might actually work given his pedigree and temperament.

Jody Morris is the one with the long term tactical nous. If we end up with Frank at some point Jody Morris has to be part of the team.

If Sarri continues to have these bad results and the board do pull the trigger I suspect that it is more likely that Clarkey will be back here than Frank at the moment.

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Jody Morris is the one with the long term tactical nous. If we end up with Frank at some point Jody Morris has to be part of the team.

If Sarri continues to have these bad results and the board do pull the trigger I suspect that it is more likely that Clarkey will be back here than Frank at the moment.

I said when they joined at Derby I felt Jody is the one who will end up having a more successful coaching career, from what Ive heard about his time at chelsea he really impressed the older coaches with his approach.

On 13/02/2019 at 10:59, RIP Mourinho said:

I don't see how he's done well though? He's beaten everyone Utd were expected to beat and then got embarrassed by PSG without Neymar or Cavani???

The players deserve the credit, not the manager.

So are the top 6 teams expected to beat everyone else in the league, OGS cant be criticised for winning games just because they was expected in some peoples views, he has won all his games apart from 1 and played good football, whether it will last long term I have my doubts though

Most teams would lose to PSG, I don't even want to imagine what would happen to Chelsea. Losing Cavani doesn't really weaken PSG when you can move Mbappe up front who is a better striker and play Draxler. Not having Neymar means you miss the tricks but it makes you defensively better, I'm sure there was a stat that PSG lose more games with Neymar playing. Also Di Maria is not a bad left winger with his 2 assists.

On 13/02/2019 at 10:51, EdinburghBlue said:

You could be right that any nice manager would have turned them around but they didn’t and it was him. I wouldn’t expect anything less than tactical naivety as I mentioned before he’s not vastly experienced at the top level.

and that’s fine, I totally respect if people have different opinions on the final outcome of him at United. Personally, I have no idea how it’ll go for them. it’s the people complete dismissal of him as it’s teams they should beat but the same people will back Sarri to the hilt while we get pumped 4-0 off Bournemouth, it doesn’t make sense. 

 

Anyway, I’m not gonna keep arguing the same point - OGS might turn out to be sh*te and will fade down the leagues over the next few months/years or he could be the second coming of Ferguson for United. What I would say is I don’t think even Pep could have beat PSG team with that United team.

I don't understand it either, one manager beats the teams his expected to so is criticised and another loses to Wolves, Leicester and Bournemouth and gets backed. 

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

I don't understand it either, one manager beats the teams his expected to so is criticised and another loses to Wolves, Leicester and Bournemouth and gets backed. 

Sarri beat a lot of teams at the start of the season ...

I am personally saying OGS hasnt done enough to show hes a long term option and saying Sarri hasn't had a chance to show he can't be a long term option.

They don't conflict with each. 

12 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Sarri beat a lot of teams at the start of the season ...

And he's failed to do anything about the fact that most teams have figured out how to stop us now.
If Solskjaer started racking up record losses one after the other people would forget about his good start in very, very quick as well.

I wouldn't be opposed to Jody Morris only IF Sarri was sacked. The problem is, we aren't a club that shows patience. The club and most of the fanbase would want heads rolled if he didn't produce the results in a few months after taking over, the same as has been done with most other managers up to and even now with Sarri. 

Hold on, but Lampard has won nothing? Now he's going to turn us into the bestest team ever. 

14 minutes ago, enigma said:

Hold on, but Lampard has won nothing? Now he's going to turn us into the bestest team ever. 

They don't call him Super Frank for nothing. 

Not gonna happen but, lampard comes in with his team, he’s given a 5yr guaranteed contract. He clears out all the dead wood and plays the youth . He tells the board his transfer targets and the board get them. We get rellagated so what, everyone is on board . We build from within and start a stable sustainable dynasty. Then i wake up. 

On 13/02/2019 at 00:34, Girish said:

You could say the same for us under Guus Hiddink or RDM. But we knew the former wasn't a permanent solution and we all know how it ended for the latter. It doesn't take an expert to know that Utd. players pretty much ganged up and stopped playing for Mourinho. OGS is giving them more freedom to express themselves since he knows he probably won't get the job full time. He's probably also more open to suggestions from the players as well. But in the event that he does get the permanent job and when he has to actually start asserting his own principles onto the squad, that's when his true managerial skills will come into play. Hence, I firmly believe that you cannot judge OGS or Utd's performance solely on their performance now.

 

And oh, let's not forget our own unbeaten run with Sarri at the beginning of the season and how everyone thought Sarri had turned around the team.

It is quite astounding how quickly that is being forgotten by so many. The way Sarri is spoken about by some its like we are 20th in the Championship, were knocked out of the Europa League in the playoff stages and aren't in the League Cup of FA Cup anymore. It hasn't been a good few weeks away from Stamford Bridge but let's take a few deep breaths and realize that we are okay. A lot of things going wrong but correctable issues nonetheless.