2 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

I’m a backer of them as I’m more of an optimist in general. 
 

I don’t actually think either side have been proved right or wrong yet, a lot of people either make a decision quickly and back it to the hills or just piggy back on whatever view is flavour of the month.

the new owners have done some things right, some things wrong, and some things have gone against them from positions they might not have reasonably been expected to plan for.

if we take last summer and Tuchel as your example. It’s easy to think “they let all the football people go straight away, had no idea what they were doing, signed a load of players Tuchel wanted and then sacked him” and that might be true. However we don’t know and it’s also very reasonable that the actual series of events were “the football people they expected to stay all chose to leave with the slice of the sale price they got as fees as they were Roman’s people, they then had to rely on Tuchels knowledge and fumble through negotiations themselves because of this, then going through this they realised actually Tuchel isn’t a team player here (or afterwards that find out the Simon Jordan rumour thing that might make his position untenable) and have to let him go. 
 

both scenarios are plausible but truth is we will never know so it’s just how you choose to fill in the gaps

It was rumoured they came in viewing Tuchel as the biggest asset but as time went on realised they weren't compatible.

I loved Tuchel from a tactical point of view (only Jose 1.0 ever made me feel more comfortable watching the biggest games) but I had concerns from a transfer standpoint, which came home to roost badly in his first summer (and Kouli in while loaning out Colwill is looking worse by the week).

I am glad the club is not offering him a deal like Reece James, it would be a massive mistake

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I am glad the club is not offering him a deal like Reece James, it would be a massive mistake

Why?

13 minutes ago, Blueboys said:

if we take last summer and Tuchel as your example. It’s easy to think “they let all the football people go straight away, had no idea what they were doing, signed a load of players Tuchel wanted and then sacked him” and that might be true. However we don’t know and it’s also very reasonable that the actual series of events were “the football people they expected to stay all chose to leave with the slice of the sale price they got as fees as they were Roman’s people, they then had to rely on Tuchels knowledge and fumble through negotiations themselves because of this, then going through this they realised actually Tuchel isn’t a team player here (or afterwards that find out the Simon Jordan rumour thing that might make his position untenable) and have to let him go. 

https://theathletic.com/3576054/2022/09/08/tuchel-sacking-chelsea-potter/

This is a really great piece on the relationship between Tuchel and the owners (and more) from back in September. There were major problems from Day 1 essentially.

And as I wrote, the Tuchel-debacle was simply the start. They immediately made another one when they hired Potter, around the same time they hired a president of business that's now gone, a commerical director that's now gone, they essentially sacked everyone at Cobham and replaced them with "their" guys etc etc.

For me it's clear as day our collapse this season is down to the sum of their many mistakes.

 

I hate to be that guy and it will probably come back to bite me in the future but if he wants to go we should get as much money as possible.

He's a good player but I dont think he elevates the likes of Arsenal, Utd and Liverpool to title winners.

I find him just as hopeless as Havertz sometimes. I'd keep Mount over Havertz but we can't have it all can we.

With the people we've signed and Nkunku coming in, I don't see where he plays and I think he probably sees it that way aswell.

 

 

I can't take him in an Arsenal, United or Liverpool shirt. Please stay, Mason

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Everyone's after him.

£55m Hmm

 

 

Wonder if the club can get closer to £65-70. 

 

Apparently our price is at least 70mill

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently our price is at least 70mill

Makes sense. People going over the top on the club's 85m valuation on him but its clearly just an end point for which club that can come the close to matching it. 

70m for Mount on a year left is outstanding business if pulled off. All profit. 

Hazard is one of the only good sales we've made in years...

Gone are the days when we flogged Luiz to PSG for 50 million, and somehow made profits on Schurrle, Ramires, and Oscar. 

We should be getting 60 million at the very least for Mason Mount.

3 hours ago, dermott said:

Why?

While Reece James is one of the best in his position, Mount is nowhere close

22 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Makes sense. People going over the top on the club's 85m valuation on him but its clearly just an end point for which club that can come the close to matching it. 

70m for Mount on a year left is outstanding business if pulled off. All profit. 

With the amount of interest in him should be possible.

4 hours ago, Argo said:

It was rumoured they came in viewing Tuchel as the biggest asset but as time went on realised they weren't compatible.

I loved Tuchel from a tactical point of view (only Jose 1.0 ever made me feel more comfortable watching the biggest games) but I had concerns from a transfer standpoint, which came home to roost badly in his first summer (and Kouli in while loaning out Colwill is looking worse by the week).

 

4 hours ago, OriginalS said:

https://theathletic.com/3576054/2022/09/08/tuchel-sacking-chelsea-potter/

This is a really great piece on the relationship between Tuchel and the owners (and more) from back in September. There were major problems from Day 1 essentially.

And as I wrote, the Tuchel-debacle was simply the start. They immediately made another one when they hired Potter, around the same time they hired a president of business that's now gone, a commerical director that's now gone, they essentially sacked everyone at Cobham and replaced them with "their" guys etc etc.

For me it's clear as day our collapse this season is down to the sum of their many mistakes.

 

Hey look at that I can quote both at the same time! for me both points here link well.

Tuchel was seen as “the” asset when they bought, and why wouldn’t he be given our performances in the cups. This is why even if the problems started early they likely tried to work through them. If they came in and sacked him after 2 weeks everyone would have kicked off massively and it feeds it more to the points you were making about them clearing out Cobham (which as I said I think it’s partly true but I’d imagine a good few of them also left of their own accord as is totally normal in the real world) 

some of the new hires haven’t worked out which is totally normal, not everyone is the fit you’d hope they’d be when you hire them / the employee realised it isn’t for them.

Potters the big one and I do wonder whether they jumped at him too quickly. I think the mistake here which I think they have acknowledged is they didn’t have the football people around them to assist them in choosing however given Potters standing in the game and Brightons form at the time I think he’d have been on the current football dept. List anyway and we could have ended up with him anyway

55 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

While Reece James is one of the best in his position, Mount is nowhere close

So sell every single player we have other than Reece James then, because they arent close to being the best in their position either. Good plan.

Seems he has been having issues off field along with a couple others.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/mason-mount-stalked-by-tiktok-influencer/

No shock all the big clubs that need a midfielder are after him.

 

29 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

No shock all the big clubs that need a midfielder are after him.

Makes a mockery of the clueless f**kwits who claimed no big club would be interested in him.

27 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Do we know what wages is he demanding from Chelsea?

2 minutes ago, RMH said:

Do we know what wages is he demanding from Chelsea?

Speculation. Think he's been offered 3 or 4 deals since December and turned down all of them. There were reports he wanted to earn as much as his English colleagues so its anyone's guess. According to Steinberg he wanted better image rights, wages, and contract length.  

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

Seems he has been having issues off field along with a couple others.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/mason-mount-stalked-by-tiktok-influencer/

Oh for the life of an EPL footballer. 

Mount, Gilmour and Chilwell? Busy girl.

2 minutes ago, just said:

Oh for the life of an EPL footballer. 

Mount, Gilmour and Chilwell? Busy girl.

Midfielders over LBs by 2:1. Wonder if she's a box to boxer.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

No shock all the big clubs that need a midfielder are after him.

He will need to hit the ground running if he goes to a rival in this league which is why I'm not sure it's in his best interests to move to one. He's better off seeking a move abroad if he wants a break from the toxicity. At another club in this league our minority of trolls will be replaced with their's with potential stick from the terraces on top of that.

As we've seen with England most of our rival fans think he's overrated thrash so he's up against it from day one winning them round, especially with Arsenal who as we've seen with players in the past will have no hesitation turning on him in the stadium (something he's in no danger of ever receiving here).

If he's on early burnout as opposed to a period of bad form I fear things could get ugly for him very quickly. 

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Speculation. Think he's been offered 3 or 4 deals since December and turned down all of them. There were reports he wanted to earn as much as his English colleagues so its anyone's guess. According to Steinberg he wanted better image rights, wages, and contract length.  

Fine, are any of those other big clubs willing to pay more than Chelsea? I don't see Arsenal doing it. Liverpool is reported to be willing to reach his demands, but I'm dubious this is true, and I can see only ManU paying him whatever he's asking. I'm not sure what the difference with the Club is, but if he goes to a direct rival for what may be "wanting to get as much as XYZ", he will have lost my respect and I suspect that of a few others at the Bridge, especially when he turns there with Liverpool or ManU or wearing the Arsenal colours.