3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

I certainly think so.

I think the owners will get one more chance to get a foothold but if the next project (Pochettino's) fails as well we may well be done for. No one is going to convince me for example Reece and Enzo are going to stay here unless we actually compete with City and the others so if we fail to do that then I expect them and others to hand in transfer-requests and we'd probably have to let them go as we'd desperately need the money if we miss out on the Champions League once again next season.

I give Pochettino a lot of credit for taking on this task. It's a absolutely monumentous one. Seemingly not getting off to a great start either as we know he rates Mount and Rice but it looks like he won't get to work with either.

Not like the hierarchy is properly in place either. Boehly is still highly involved and ultimately decides who we sign for example which is just a major red flag for a variety of reasons.

Does he? All i see now is that all scout reports are going to Winstanley and Vivell for review. The January signing, which were much better, certainly seem to point towards that too. The one thing that Boehly has actually got right is the club hierarchy which Roman never really got sorted while he was still here. I think too many changes were made in a short space of time but in a year or two we've got the foundations laid for a well oiled machine. 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Does he?

From what I heard he very much does.

In several cases he's had to step in to clean up the mess the directors created to give Boehly his fair does. For example when he saved the Enzo deal after Vivell screwed that one up and pissed Benfica off. Directors have also pissed off Mount and Rice, Boehly again had to step in and try to salvage the Mount situation a few months ago but to now avail it seems.

It's all gone back to everyone reporting to Boehly and with him essentially being the decision maker again. That's why I've heard anyways.

 

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Enzo maybe, can’t see James getting too many suitors. Football has evolved in the last season, and Pep’s recent comment about using proper defenders (CBs) to defend against wingers reinforces that. I don’t think he is in the market for FBs to replace Mendy & Cancelo, Arteta is interested in Guehi and would probably move on Tomiyasu & Tierney, Klopp wants to move Trent permanently into midfield & his looking at Timber & Inacio, 2 CBs to play in defence, and even Brighton are playing Caicedo as an inverted RB. I would be surprised if there is a queue for a £80m+, £250k/w and injury prone fullback.

I take your point about him being injury prone, though for all we know that's down to poor load management from coaches.

But in regards to Peps comments: When fit Reece has shut down every world class winger he's come up against, and on occasion he's tucked into a wide cb position to help us handle pacey strikers. He's very good defensively, and if he can be kept fit (for example by having an actual dependable backup in place so he doesnt have to play 90mins 3 times a week), I think almost every side on the planet would want him.

So its all based off hearsay? Todd hired several executives on multi-million pound contracts just to do the job himself. 

18 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

From what I heard he very much does.

In several cases he's had to step in to clean up the mess the directors created to give Boehly his fair does. For example when he saved the Enzo deal after Vivell screwed that one up and pissed Benfica off. Directors have also pissed off Mount and Rice, Boehly again had to step in and try to salvage the Mount situation a few months ago but to now avail it seems.

It's all gone back to everyone reporting to Boehly and with him essentially being the decision maker again. That's why I've heard anyways.

 

 

16 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So its all based off hearsay? Todd hired several executives on multi-million pound contracts just to do the job himself. 

Hearsay and articles that's stated that Boehly & Eghbali are still highly involved in our transfer strategy among other things.

Boehly did the Enzo deal and Eghbali did the Mudryk deal for example.

7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Hearsay and articles that's stated that Boehly & Eghbali are still highly involved in our transfer strategy among other things.

Boehly did the Enzo deal and Eghbali did the Mudryk deal for example.

Eghbali took the lead in negotiations for Enzo.

Reading between the lines (on articles/comments by reliable sources) Boehly is at best a second in command to Eghbali these days, infact it wouldn't surprise me if he's deliberately characturing himself to prevent any scrutiny and attention on the latter, which if true is working an absolute treat.

I've heard the same thing. In fact, Eghbali has always been the decision maker, TB the front man. Who knows?

55 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Hearsay and articles that's stated that Boehly & Eghbali are still highly involved in our transfer strategy among other things.

Boehly did the Enzo deal and Eghbali did the Mudryk deal for example.

Both good deals identified by Vivell and Winstanley. You can't honestly beleive Todd or Egbahli had any idea who either of those players were. Look at the difference between the summer and winter transfers, 

If Reece James went on the market every single big club in Europe would be submitting transfer offers for him.

22 minutes ago, dkw said:

If Reece James went on the market every single big club in Europe would be submitting transfer offers for him.

to be honest...given his reputation as the new Darren Anderton, it might not be the worst decision to cash in.

 

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

to be honest...given his reputation as the new Darren Anderton, it might not be the worst decision to cash in.

 

Oh he has competition for that title.

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Nope, don't blame him at all tbh. Been underappreciated by the board trying to short shift him with under valued contracts for years after being our best player for two seasons and been given absolute dogs abuse by 'fans' 2000 miles away for absolutely no reason at all. He was unfairly forced out by certain cults that associate themselves with Chelsea when we should have been building him up for future years. If teams like Arsenal or Liverpool are willing to pay his wage demands it makes the whole debacle even more laughable, while we spend £60m+ and the wages he was probably asking for to try to replace him. 

Although i think he's dog sh*t (as has been proven) i don't blame players like Jorginho going to Arsenal either. 

If it wasn't for Nkunku coming in i'd be devastated. 

Jorginho is different. He isn't a Cobham lad and hasn't been affiliated with the club since he was 8 years old. 

This one will sting. Again, I want to know the full extent as to why this didn't work out. So hopefully either the Athletic or another reputable source can shed some light if the time comes. 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Jorginho is different. He isn't a Cobham lad and hasn't been affiliated with the club since he was 8 years old. 

This one will sting. Again, I want to know the full extent as to why this didn't work out. So hopefully either the Athletic or another reputable source can shed some light if the time comes. 

If he's leaving because of a small minority i will be disappointed.

Don't get me wrong it's shocking the level of stick he gets by said extreme minority but he's never got it in the neck at the ground like Drogba, Hazard, Cesc and Costa amoung others have at various times (which will happen at Arsenal especially if he doesn't recover his form very quickly) and the d**khead minority will be even louder if he goes to a rival.

23 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Me neither, but still sad that it's come to this.

Are there anyone left who defends Boehly and the owners anymore btw? There were some for a while, mostly the guys who wanted Tuchel gone and rated Potter (nice one!) but haven't seen a lot lately. 

 

People aren’t defending or cheerleading the new owners. Some of us just choose to remain optimistic because at the end of the day watching and following football is a hobby and something that brings joy to people so I’d rather that then be pessimistic and expect doom and gloom.

10 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

People aren’t defending or cheerleading the new owners. Some of us just choose to remain optimistic because at the end of the day watching and following football is a hobby and something that brings joy to people so I’d rather that then be pessimistic and expect doom and gloom.

Fair enough that. Generally I feel like i'm a pretty optimistic guy but I just struggle to be with these guys.

So far the pessimistic ones have been right unfortunately, maybe that changes but not holding my breath. Would have been up for a proper debate with someone on everything thats been bad and everything thats been good from them so far though but I feel the people who are actually defending them (of which there are quite a few) retreat to the trenches and doesn't want to even consider a lot of stupid decisions they have made. Because I do not think it is controversial to state they they have indeed made a lot of stupid decisions so far.

For me it basically started to unravel when they backed Tuchel in the transfer-market and brought in players suitable for Tuchel's style of football when they at the same time knew they were about to sack him. If someone comes up with an argument for why that makes sense I would be perfectly happy to reconsider my position on that specific point but i've yet to see anyone explain how that one makes sense. And for me there's been a lot of those kind of things...

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by OriginalS

9 hours ago, dermott said:

I've heard the same thing. In fact, Eghbali has always been the decision maker, TB the front man. Who knows?

5 hours ago, Argo said:

If he's leaving because of a small minority i will be disappointed.

Don't get me wrong it's shocking the level of stick he gets by said extreme minority but he's never got it in the neck at the ground like Drogba, Hazard, Cesc and Costa amoung others have at various times (which will happen at Arsenal especially if he doesn't recover his form very quickly) and the d**khead minority will be even louder if he goes to a rival.

Agreed. Most the vitriol Mount has received has been from fans overseas, mainly the US because they were upset that Mount was getting more game time than Pulisic. That is where it all started. On home soil he is loved by the fans, they prove that by voting him player of the season twice and cheer him on every chance they get. Even outside the club he is loved. I've not seen an English player at this club get as many advertising deals as Mount, not even the very best like Lampard and Terry.

So like you, if this is the reason, I would also be disappointed. 

Edited May 23, 20233 yr by Scott Harris

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Agreed. Most the vitriol Mount has received has been from fans overseas, mainly the US because they were upset that Mount was getting more game time than Pulisic. That is where it all started. On home soil he is loved by the fans, they prove that by voting him player of the season twice and cheer him on every chance they get. Even outside the club he is loved. I've not seen an English player at this club get as many advertising deals as Mount, not even the very best like Lampard and Terry.

So like you, if this is the reason, I would also be disappointed. 

I doubt it pays even a small part of it. I wonder why our owners value him so little though? Why could we not give him the same sort of deal as Reece?

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I doubt it pays even a small part of it. I wonder why our owners value him so little though? Why could we not give him the same sort of deal as Reece?

Not sure. All we can do is speculate.

What I will say though is that I find it hard to sympathise with any footballer that wants to leave because they will get 50k, 100k or whatever it is less than the highest earners. Yes, I can see where people are coming from when they say Mount should be on the same wages as our highest earners, but I just can't sympathise with that kind of situation when he will make more money in a week than I would in a decade. 

I put myself in that situation and I just think to myself, as long as the manager wants me and I am playing football, then life is great. So when I see players come out and say "the club didn't value me" I just find it to be complete horsesh*t. If I see Mount leave and he comes out with any crap like that, then I lose all respect for him. 

19 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Jorginho is different. He isn't a Cobham lad and hasn't been affiliated with the club since he was 8 years old. 

This one will sting. Again, I want to know the full extent as to why this didn't work out. So hopefully either the Athletic or another reputable source can shed some light if the time comes. 

It certainly will sting more than any player we’ve lost over the past decade. Hazard was tough but he wanted to go to Real which is fair enough. It doesn’t even come close to Robben or Mata.

Selling a cobham boy to a rival, I can’t think of anything worse. He should be the face of Chelsea. He should be what Frank Lampard and John Terry was to us. He must not go.

Everyone's after him.

11 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Everyone's after him.

Where would he even play at United? Any previous player in his position signed recently get moved out of position to accommodate Bruno who for some reason is a total untouchable.

Edited May 24, 20233 yr by Argo

24 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Everyone's after him.

United fans don’t want him though, just have a look at Redcafe. Like Argo said he won’t start for them, the Liverpool, Arsenal & now Utd interest just seems like his agent trying to get the club to increase their offer. Worked for Chiwell recently.

If we are for some reason unable to sign Mount to an extension it will be Boehly's era biggest failure. Forget the managerial circus, letting go Mase would pip that with clear distance. 

And I fully trust we will handle this.

14 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Fair enough that. Generally I feel like i'm a pretty optimistic guy but I just struggle to be with these guys.

So far the pessimistic ones have been right unfortunately, maybe that changes but not holding my breath. Would have been up for a proper debate with someone on everything thats been bad and everything thats been good from them so far though but I feel the people who are actually defending them (of which there are quite a few) retreat to the trenches and doesn't want to even consider a lot of stupid decisions they have made. Because I do not think it is controversial to state they they have indeed made a lot of stupid decisions so far.

For me it basically started to unravel when they backed Tuchel in the transfer-market and brought in players suitable for Tuchel's style of football when they at the same time knew they were about to sack him. If someone comes up with an argument for why that makes sense I would be perfectly happy to reconsider my position on that specific point but i've yet to see anyone explain how that one makes sense. And for me there's been a lot of those kind of things...

I’m a backer of them as I’m more of an optimist in general. 
 

I don’t actually think either side have been proved right or wrong yet, a lot of people either make a decision quickly and back it to the hills or just piggy back on whatever view is flavour of the month.

the new owners have done some things right, some things wrong, and some things have gone against them from positions they might not have reasonably been expected to plan for.

if we take last summer and Tuchel as your example. It’s easy to think “they let all the football people go straight away, had no idea what they were doing, signed a load of players Tuchel wanted and then sacked him” and that might be true. However we don’t know and it’s also very reasonable that the actual series of events were “the football people they expected to stay all chose to leave with the slice of the sale price they got as fees as they were Roman’s people, they then had to rely on Tuchels knowledge and fumble through negotiations themselves because of this, then going through this they realised actually Tuchel isn’t a team player here (or afterwards that find out the Simon Jordan rumour thing that might make his position untenable) and have to let him go. 
 

both scenarios are plausible but truth is we will never know so it’s just how you choose to fill in the gaps