1 hour ago, Valerie said:

 

 

Aaaaand the venom-spewing has begun.

Nobody knows for sure what is happening, but sure, let's heap some abuse on Mount. 

Didnt take long did it, seems the ones happy to abuse him and want rid of him will now abuse him as hes leaving. Football fans nowadays are such a bunch of f**kwits.

Not many left from the Chelsea-boys era of Frank's first stint here. Tammy, Guehi, Tomori, Chalobah, James, Gilmour, RLC, CHO and finally Mount. Probably only two left come August and only one who's good enough for the starting XI. 

Kind of sad considering several of the mentioned were projected to be the spine of the club in the years to come. Personally I'm really disappointed that Mount seems to be gone. 

But we move on. As the poster above mentioned - Hall, Broja, Colwill are all fantastic prospects. James is still here. And we have some of the world's biggest talents joining the club in Santos, Paez, Slonina, Casadei. Chukwuemeka and Madueke are proving good. Established players like Enzo, Gallagher, Badiashile and Fofana will probably only get better considering their age. Hopefully Mudryk will find his feet next season.  

The future should be bright. At least if the club hierarchy doesn't f*ck it all up by signing someone like Neymar or Messi or doing something else stupid as we've seen them have a tendency to.

Either way, Pochettino has got a big a** job ahead of him. 

Edited June 1, 20233 yr by Cfc91

5 minutes ago, Valerie said:

It's amazing people are such mind readers. I myself have usually no idea what someone clearly feels. Also, I have no insight into contract negotiations.

Mount is perfectly entitled to chose his employer. He never called himself Mr. Chelsea or labelled himself a future captain. That's all in the minds of supporters. Yes, it will hurt seeing him in another kit than ours, but we'll survive that, we always have. If he is (and now clearly was) so loved, why not just thank him, and wish him happiness but not success when it involves Chelsea. 

I am not his biggest fan so him going doesn’t really hurt to be honest as I have said in this thread previously you don’t build a team around him, he’s good not great not a gamer changer not a match winner.
With the “ Mr Chelsea “ tag I vividly remember Rudi calling him that several times and other players so it was widely used it appears within the club.

My point here he so quickly jumped ship in a difficult moment it’s not like he’s 30 and coming to the end of his career, we got more loyalty from Hazard /Drogba foreign who weren’t a Chelsea product.

Pochettino would have certainly used him just as much as Lampard and Tuchel did even if certain fans didn’t like it so he wouldn’t be short of game time, this seems more than just playing football.

9 hours ago, El regreso said:

So the fans who would boo Jorginho will they cheer someone who essentially forced their way out because the club wouldn’t pay him big!!!

None academy players we have signed bleed more blue than him. This is why certain players after leaving Chelsea go abroad rather then to a rival!!

Why's Jorginho being brought into it? We should still be celebrating that absolute bums exit from this club. 

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

Why's Jorginho being brought into it? We should still be celebrating that absolute bums exit from this club. 

Ask Mount how he felt about Jorgi leaving.

And it's fine for you to hold your opinion, but then don't act all holier than thou when some idiots abuse Mount. Because you are cut from the same cloth.

1 hour ago, charierre said:

He changed his agent in March.

Doesn't mean that the NEW agent is not taking instructions from Mount's father !!

8 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Not entirely. It's an indicator but in isolation ignores weight of pass, decision-making etc. He's not a great passer by any stretch. 

We won a CL with Kante, Werner, Havertz, Silva, Rudiger playing pivotal roles - as much as anyone else. Not that it matters much but in the last 2 seasons Havertz has been way more influential against top opposition and in big games. 

And I don't want this to come off as bashing Mount because I've always been a fan and would prefer he stayed - but he's unfortunately also not indispensable. 

 

Simply not true. Havertz got the goal against Madrid in the final and outside of that got an assist in the group against Krasnador and Sevilla in games we won 4-0. 

In the same tournament Mount got a goal in the quarters against Porto when we progressed 2-1, a goal against Madrid in the semi's to qualify us for the final and then put it on a plate for Kai in the final. 

Havertz got all the glory for the CL run but it was Mount that was doing the real work. Keeping Havertz employed and Mount leaving is a travesty. 

5 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Ask Mount how he felt about Jorgi leaving.

And it's fine for you to hold your opinion, but then don't act all holier than thou when some idiots abuse Mount. Because you are cut from the same cloth.

I'm not friends with Mount, how am i meant to ask him that? He's shown at Arsenal how he's of minimal use in the league. Good little cup player though. 

19 minutes ago, El regreso said:

I am not his biggest fan so him going doesn’t really hurt to be honest as I have said in this thread previously you don’t build a team around him, he’s good not great not a gamer changer not a match winner.
With the “ Mr Chelsea “ tag I vividly remember Rudi calling him that several times and other players so it was widely used it appears within the club.

My point here he so quickly jumped ship in a difficult moment it’s not like he’s 30 and coming to the end of his career, we got more loyalty from Hazard /Drogba foreign who weren’t a Chelsea product.

Pochettino would have certainly used him just as much as Lampard and Tuchel did even if certain fans didn’t like it so he wouldn’t be short of game time, this seems more than just playing football.

Perhaps (and I emphasise 'perhaps', because I don't know his inner thoughts) he does 't like what he's seen the past year from the new owners. Perhaps he's given it a year to see how things would develop in that year. In that sense he didn't quickly jump ship. And even if he did, that may just mean he's a quick decider and not one to agonise and wring his hands, only to decide to go at the last minute. At least now the new manager knows early he doesn't have to rethink things. Also, the fact that his predecessors used Mount doesn't mean Pochettino also would have used him extensively. Plus the circumstances for Hazard and Drogba (who btw also left their 'home' clubs) were different, why would Mount copy them just because he's an academy product? The academy brings up players for a career in football, not necessarily at Chelsea. If not at Chelsea, they can be sold for good money to re-invest. That's how it's always been.

Edited June 1, 20233 yr by Valerie

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

I'm not friends with Mount, how am i meant to ask him that? He's shown at Arsenal how he's of minimal use in the league. Good little cup player though. 

Yeah, and those who abuse Mount are also of the opinion he's no good just as you are of the opinion that Jorginho is no good.

So on those grounds both those who abuse Mount and those like you who abused Jorginho feel it's alright to do so. You are allowed to do that of course but then perhaps don't take the morality stance in Mounts case as you only look like a fool.

For avoidance of doubt, I would much rather Mount, after a sit down and long chat with Pochettino, decided to stay at Chelsea and went on to be the Captain and legend that many of us believed he would, but if he chooses to join United, as they (temporarily) are on the up, then good riddance.

Players at Chelsea become legends over a career or a lifetime, NOT over 2 or 3 seasons.

30 minutes ago, Valerie said:

It's amazing people are such mind readers. I myself have usually no idea what someone clearly feels. Also, I have no insight into contract negotiations.

Mount is perfectly entitled to chose his employer. He never called himself Mr. Chelsea or labelled himself a future captain. That's the supporters. Yes, it will hurt seeing him in another kit than ours, but we'll survive that, we always have. If he is (and now clearly was) so loved, why not just thank him, and wish him happiness but not success when it involves Chelsea. 

More or less what I was going to say, well said. 

26 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Yeah, and those who abuse Mount are also of the opinion he's no good just as you are of the opinion that Jorginho is no good.

So on those grounds both those who abuse Mount and those like you who abused Jorginho feel it's alright to do so. You are allowed to do that of course but then perhaps don't take the morality stance in Mounts case as you only look like a fool.

One is just entering his prime having carried us for 3 years while the other one was past it, never performed well in the league and 31 years old. Big difference. Would be like a Spurs fan comparing Kane leaving to Dier leaving. 

He is obviously not interested in staying at Chelsea, when we all thought he was Mr Chelsea, so I feel disappointed. He's probably got his reasons, and that's his prerogative. The Club has probably also failed a bit in here, but maybe Pochettino has not pushed the board to meet what Mount is asking as he thinks that he is not unreplaceable. Who knows? What's obvious is that is never one sided, but it is his choice to leave Chelsea to go to a bitter rival when things have gone badly here instead of staying and help with the transition and rebuild. He could have chosen to go abroad, Bayern apparently was interested, wasn't it? But he wants to go to a rival. I hope that we flog Utd for north of £60m, more towards the £65m-£70m (English player tax). I hope that he doesn't get booed when he comes with that lot to the Bridge, but hopefully he does not get a round of applause as other players have got.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

One is just entering his prime having carried us for 3 years while the other one was past it, never performed well in the league and 31 years old. Big difference. Would be like a Spurs fan comparing Kane leaving to Dier leaving. 

My argument was never about their quality. Plenty think Mount is a poor player and many don't. Same can be said for the other guy I mentioned but I don't want to derail anything.

My point was about this abuse culture that many complained about in Mounts case. I agree with it but it should extend to everyone then so if one are upset that some people have abused for example Mount online then don't turn around and do the same to another player that you think is so poor that he deserves abuse.

15 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

My argument was never about their quality. Plenty think Mount is a poor player and many don't. Same can be said for the other guy I mentioned but I don't want to derail anything.

My point was about this abuse culture that many complained about in Mounts case. I agree with it but it should extend to everyone then so if one are upset that some people have abused for example Mount online then don't turn around and do the same to another player that you think is so poor that he deserves abuse.

Disagree, 'abuse' is warranted if they hinder the club. Bakayoko rightly booed after his disasterclass against Watford. Jorginho often called out for his lackadaisical displays and lack of ability. Mount abused for winning back to back POTY's. Do you see the difference? 

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Disagree, 'abuse' is warranted if they hinder the club. Bakayoko rightly booed after his disasterclass against Watford. Jorginho often called out for his lackadaisical displays and lack of ability. Mount abused for winning back to back POTY's. Do you see the difference? 

Ok thats fine but for me you still don't have an argument.

Jorginho got on the Ballon D'Or Podium and was voted UEFA Player of the year which is generally harder than winning POTY. Still got abuse. And the reason was that plenty thought he didn't deserve that 3rd place and UEFA award so they felt vindicated when they abused him.

Likewise many thought Mount winning those POTY's was a joke and they simply called him out for his " lackadaisical displays and lack of ability." There are a lot more similarities than you are prepared to admit.

People who abused Mount use the exact same arguments that you use to defend their position.

14 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Ok thats fine but for me you still don't have an argument.

Jorginho got on the Ballon D'Or Podium and was voted UEFA Player of the year which is generally harder than winning POTY. Still got abuse. And the reason was that plenty thought he didn't deserve that 3rd place and UEFA award so they felt vindicated when they abused him.

Likewise many thought Mount winning those POTY's was a joke and they simply called him out for his " lackadaisical displays and lack of ability." There are a lot more similarities than you are prepared to admit.

People who abused Mount use the exact same arguments that you use to defend their position.

All this reminds me of that famous quote "an alcoholic is someone you don't like who drinks as much as you do. " 🙂 

He doesn't deserve abuse, nor does Jorginho. Both equally have done well for us and have won the champions league. In my opinion nobody deserves abuse if they are in the shirt you support. Doesn't matter if they are from Cobham, Italy or France. We can all give our opinions on who we think is a good player or not but you dont abuse someone because they had a "disasterclass" against Watford.

I don't think we have been good enough on the pitch for the past few seasons but I put alot of that down to the current and old ownership. Someone like Kai Havertz will be on his 4th manager next season and will no doubt be played in a different position under Pochettino. We've ruined him and his development as a player and the same goes for the likes of Mount. Both put in similar performances in my opinion, one just looks a bit more lackadaisical than the other and the constant changing of managers was different back in the day because we've always had big personalities. Young players need guidance and if you are changing the voice every season they won't develop into top players.

Regarding Mount I do think a large amount of this is down to our spending last season and his sale can fix alot of problems. However I feel if the club saw him as someone that we cannot sell no matter what then he would have signed a contract by now and we would have given him what he wants. Ziyech, Pulisic, Havertz and Mount have not produced what has been needed to challenge for titles for 3-4 years now and we can blame who we want but what's needed is a fresh start and unless Pochettino turns Havertz into what he was meant to be next season I fully expect none of them to be at the club going into the 24/25 season.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 20233 yr by Sheva

People hating on Mount remind me of people who voted leave. Their anger has been generated by media, they have no idea why they’re angry in the first place, they have no idea that they are weakening what they claim to love, they’ll complain when it bites them on the bum and when it does, they’ll fail to see their own complicity.

You can replace the player Mount but not really the character/personality Mount 

 

2 hours ago, Valerie said:

It's amazing people are such mind readers. I myself have usually no idea what someone clearly feels. Also, I have no insight into contract negotiations.

Mount is perfectly entitled to chose his employer. He never called himself Mr. Chelsea or labelled himself a future captain. That's the supporters. Yes, it will hurt seeing him in another kit than ours, but we'll survive that, we always have. If he is (and now clearly was) so loved, why not just thank him, and wish him happiness but not success when it involves Chelsea. 

While I don't agree with any abuse towards him, I think fans have the right to be angry, sad, frustrated or whatever negative emotion they feel. Personally, as a fan, I feel like I've been backstabbed and it's going to take a while for me to forgive him if he goes to United. I'm not going to abuse him but I also don't think I'm going to be in the position to wish him happiness or anything of the sort.

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Didnt take long did it, seems the ones happy to abuse him and want rid of him will now abuse him as hes leaving. Football fans nowadays are such a bunch of f**kwits.

Never a truer word. The bottom line is that no one - apart from the club and Mason - know the ins and outs of the contract situation. Reports that an agreement had been reached only for the club to revise the offer; reports that Mason wanted parity with Reece James and nothing less; reports, reports, reports. One day the truth might out. In the meantime, people pile in regardless.

6 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

While I don't agree with any abuse towards him, I think fans have the right to be angry, sad, frustrated or whatever negative emotion they feel. Personally, as a fan, I feel like I've been backstabbed and it's going to take a while for me to forgive him if he goes to United. I'm not going to abuse him but I also don't think I'm going to be in the position to wish him happiness or anything of the sort.

You want a person to be unhappy?

Just now, Valerie said:

You want a person to be unhappy?

Didnt say Im wishing him unhappiness just won't have anything to say.