2 hours ago, fitz said:

"... and have Liverpool won it without spending millions like rivals such as Chelsea and Man City?"  BBC News reporter  just now. Unbelievable. ????

Wtf is this sh*t? Did they forget that Salah, Mane, Firmino, Ox, Robertson, Van Dijk etc weren't homegrown??

 

Lol, did we really need to even see a replay of the handball? Fernandinho's reaction was priceless I have to say, one of the most guilty looks I've ever seen. 

27 minutes ago, Deino said:

Wtf is this sh*t? Did they forget that Salah, Mane, Firmino, Ox, Robertson, Van Dijk etc weren't homegrown??

Or that we had a transfer ban? It just illustrates the piss poor level of even basic research they do. Cliche after cliche and it's been going on for years.

24 minutes ago, Deino said:

Wtf is this sh*t? Did they forget that Salah, Mane, Firmino, Ox, Robertson, Van Dijk etc weren't homegrown??

Alison (I think that's how it's spelt) wasn't a free, either.

51 minutes ago, Deino said:

Wtf is this sh*t? Did they forget that Salah, Mane, Firmino, Ox, Robertson, Van Dijk etc weren't homegrown??

But But But those players are Liverpool through and through so the money & price tags dont count

1 hour ago, The Don Antonio said:

Barkley had our highest pass percentage with 95% and has been one of our better performers in the last 4 games. He came on and changed the game against Villa even though he didnt' have a goal or an assist. Barkley is benching Kovacic not gilmour. The person benching Gilmour is Kante in the holding role.  I think gilmour didn't start due to our tactics and of course his experience. We will have the lad for the next 10 years at least , and he will get plenty of minutes this season due to the amount of games and less recovery time. I don't understand the need to forcefully play him. P.s Gilmore has more minutes than Jorginho since the restart of the season

How many times did Barkley get beaten to the ball yesterday?  Either Gilmour or Kovacic would have gotten to many of those balls. Barkley did not change the game with Villa, Pulisic did that. Barkley is too slow to have a prominent role on a top 4 PL team. 

Edited June 26, 20206 yr by TheGreatestGame

4 minutes ago, TheGreatestGame said:

How many times did Barkley get beaten to the ball yesterday?  Either Gilmour or Kovacic would have gotten to many of those balls. Barkley did not change the game with Villa, Pulisic did that. Barkley is too slow to have a prominent role on a top 4 PL team. 

Lampard will disagree with you on that because he specifically said the reason Barkley and Pulisic started against city was because of their impact in the Villa game. I am not a Barkley fan and have been giving stick on this forum for the past 2 season but i call a spade a spade and he has definitely stepped up his game in the past 4 games for Chelsea. I dont know why you are all about speed. Busquets , David Silva pirlo, and rodri are slow midfielders but are still great  midfielders. Barkley is starting based on form and what he is showing Lampard in training. Once his standards drop lamps will bench him but stop looking at Barkley with biased eyes and see what he brings to the team currently..

 

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/chelsea-news-barkley-frank-lampard-18490546

4 hours ago, fitz said:

"... and have Liverpool won it without spending millions like rivals such as Chelsea and Man City?"  BBC News reporter  just now. Unbelievable. ????

It's one of those myths that, if repeated enough, everyone believes. Especially given the circumstances under which Liverpool emerged from second division irrelevance...

For what it's worth:

Courtois        £8m            
Azpilicueta        £7m            
Luiz            £34m            
Cahill            £7m            
Moses            £10m            
Kanté            £32m            
Matic            £21m            
Alonso            £24m            
Pedro            £21m            
Hazard            £32m            
Costa            £32m            

================================
Total            £228m

Alisson            £67m
Alexander-Arnold    Free            
Gomez            £3m            
van Dijk        £75m            
Robertson        £8m            
Fabinho            £39m            
Henderson        £18m            
Wijnaldum        £23m            
Salah            £38m            
Mané            £37m            
Firmino            £37m            

================================
Total            £345m

 

Liverpool spent 572.88M Euros according to Transfermkt since 15/16... so this whole notion that they haven't spent all this money is horse sh*t. Of course, they haven't spent the amount of money that City and United have spent, but it's not like Liverpool are purchasing these great players for pennies on the dollar...

We all knew that the sporting media were gonna jerk themselves off to Liverpool winning the title and claiming them to be the absolute no doubt best ever and how they "did it the right way" and all that garbage.

We need to knock these Scouse bastards off their soapbox next season

1 hour ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

We all knew that the sporting media were gonna jerk themselves off to Liverpool winning the title and claiming them to be the absolute no doubt best ever and how they "did it the right way" and all that garbage.

Best stay away from the gutter press for a while. The grovelling will reach epic proportions. I thought the 80s were bad for Scouse worship but today's variety is off the scale.

2 hours ago, The Don Antonio said:

Lampard will disagree with you on that because he specifically said the reason Barkley and Pulisic started against city was because of their impact in the Villa game. I am not a Barkley fan and have been giving stick on this forum for the past 2 season but i call a spade a spade and he has definitely stepped up his game in the past 4 games for Chelsea. I dont know why you are all about speed. Busquets , David Silva pirlo, and rodri are slow midfielders but are still great  midfielders. Barkley is starting based on form and what he is showing Lampard in training. Once his standards drop lamps will bench him but stop looking at Barkley with biased eyes and see what he brings to the team currently..

 

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/chelsea-news-barkley-frank-lampard-18490546

If I'm being honest I don't think any of our midfielders played well, neither did the subs. 

4 hours ago, Slojo said:

If I'm being honest I don't think any of our midfielders played well, neither did the subs. 

100%. There were so many opportunities to attack City, however Kante was sitting back on defense and Mount and Barkley were quite pedestrian with their play. Chelsea struggled to move the ball out of the back as neither Mount or Barkley were showing up and being an option . Switching Abraham for Giroud added some defensive pressure in City’s end. However the Mount and Barkley, except for one nice play by Mount didn’t provide enough support to keto the pressure on. 

Super Frank takes advantage of the water breaks - both Chelsea goals came after them - here is the build up to the 2nd goal after the water break

 

17 hours ago, Deino said:

Wtf is this sh*t? Did they forget that Salah, Mane, Firmino, Ox, Robertson, Van Dijk etc weren't homegrown??

The fawning is sickening. World record for a defender. World record for a keeper (before our little mistake with Kepa). The thing you can praise them for is spending their money well, but let's not pretend they spent nothing.

16 hours ago, TheGreatestGame said:

How many times did Barkley get beaten to the ball yesterday?  Either Gilmour or Kovacic would have gotten to many of those balls. Barkley did not change the game with Villa, Pulisic did that. Barkley is too slow to have a prominent role on a top 4 PL team. 

 

8 hours ago, TheGreatestGame said:

100%. There were so many opportunities to attack City, however Kante was sitting back on defense and Mount and Barkley were quite pedestrian with their play. Chelsea struggled to move the ball out of the back as neither Mount or Barkley were showing up and being an option . Switching Abraham for Giroud added some defensive pressure in City’s end. However the Mount and Barkley, except for one nice play by Mount didn’t provide enough support to keto the pressure on. 

I couldn't disagree with this more. This notion that the midfield did nothing because we weren't dominating possession and keeping the ball and pressuring City excludes the fact that Franks tactic was for City to have the ball. In fact they had about 65 percent of it.

Watch the game back and critically watch what the midfield 3 did without the ball. City try and expose you by drawing players out of position to create third man runs for midfielders through the channel. They tried it all night with the interchange of players but created nothing primarily because Mount and Barkley were superb at tracking runners and not getting sucked in. 

With the ball, their role was simple, get the ball into the forward players quickly and then run to create space, which both did brilliantly. Particularly with their runs beyond Giroud into the channel. Helped by NGolo anchoring with his mobility to prevent the counter. All 3 in our midfield played their role in the tactics perfectly. Barkley has had his best games for the club over the last four and doesn't deserve criticism, particularly after playing a key role in a huge win and (again with his movement) playing a big role in the comeback against Villa. 

Agreed. Imo Barkley did very well, though this was probably due to our gameplan. Playing the posession game simply doesn't suit him as much and I'd say the same about Kanté. They won't do spectacular passes or start spinning their opposition around like Kovacic or Willian, but imho successful football today is counter attacking and not posession based. I still don't think Ross is starting on a regular basis, but he deserves some credit for two good performances.

Obviously we were also a bit lucky since both our goals came from massive sh*tty mistakes and it could've ended 0:1 just as easily, but our midfield did well and I wouldn't even blame N'Golo too much for De Bryunes goal as that was a brilliant strike.

What I don't understand are some people here being angry because of the media coverage and Liverpool. I don't care or even think about them in the slightest, it's our 3 points that matter. It was slighty annoying to see some random Scousers cheering for our goals instead of showing our fans, but look at it this way: if we didn't win a league in 30 years maybe they'd show our fans celebrating. Long story short; as long as it's not Tottenham winning a trophy everything is fine.

3 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

The fawning is sickening. World record for a defender. World record for a keeper (before our little mistake with Kepa). The thing you can praise them for is spending their money well, but let's not pretend they spent nothing.

 

I couldn't disagree with this more. This notion that the midfield did nothing because we weren't dominating possession and keeping the ball and pressuring City excludes the fact that Franks tactic was for City to have the ball. In fact they had about 65 percent of it.

Watch the game back and critically watch what the midfield 3 did without the ball. City try and expose you by drawing players out of position to create third man runs for midfielders through the channel. They tried it all night with the interchange of players but created nothing primarily because Mount and Barkley were superb at tracking runners and not getting sucked in. 

With the ball, their role was simple, get the ball into the forward players quickly and then run to create space, which both did brilliantly. Particularly with their runs beyond Giroud into the channel. Helped by NGolo anchoring with his mobility to prevent the counter. All 3 in our midfield played their role in the tactics perfectly. Barkley has had his best games for the club over the last four and doesn't deserve criticism, particularly after playing a key role in a huge win and (again with his movement) playing a big role in the comeback against Villa. 

 

        Great post mate. Thanks for saving me the hassle. I guess great minds think alike because pep agrees with you

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/pep-guardiola-praises-blues-trio-and-comments-on-ziyech-and-werners-chelsea-transfers/

On 26/06/2020 at 16:19, PloKoon13 said:

It's one of those myths that, if repeated enough, everyone believes. Especially given the circumstances under which Liverpool emerged from second division irrelevance...

For what it's worth:

Courtois        £8m            
Azpilicueta        £7m            
Luiz            £34m            
Cahill            £7m            
Moses            £10m            
Kanté            £32m            
Matic            £21m            
Alonso            £24m            
Pedro            £21m            
Hazard            £32m            
Costa            £32m            

================================
Total            £228m

Alisson            £67m
Alexander-Arnold    Free            
Gomez            £3m            
van Dijk        £75m            
Robertson        £8m            
Fabinho            £39m            
Henderson        £18m            
Wijnaldum        £23m            
Salah            £38m            
Mané            £37m            
Firmino            £37m            

================================
Total            £345m

 

all true mate. But not the whole picture , they've also sold players for big money too, dunno what their net spend compared to others is?

Anyway, if an extra £120 Million would buy us European Cups and a runaway Title, I'd take that any day !