Kai Havertz is only 21 years old and as good as he is in Germany, but English Football is different. There is no way he is an overrated player; I think he is phenomenal and has so much room to grow under the right coaching and mentor. 

We have to remember that he had COVID, and he looks tired on the pitch and not 100% when I watched him play; it might even have a long term impact on his physical ability (I hope I am wrong).

4 minutes ago, Paddy said:

Sorry to be picky, but there is a huge difference between the purchase of KDB and Havertz and it’s about £65+ million.

Paying £7 million for a 21 year old with potential stacks up, paying £75 million would suggest that its more the complete package, it’s not his fault that we paid so much for him, but it does influence our expectation I believe .

I think both of you are right, but I don't think it was his decision for his big money transfer fees. Just give him time and he will flourish, watch.

26 minutes ago, ChelseaThailand said:

Kai Havertz is only 21 years old and as good as he is in Germany, but English Football is different. There is no way he is an overrated player; I think he is phenomenal and has so much room to grow under the right coaching and mentor. 

We have to remember that he had COVID, and he looks tired on the pitch and not 100% when I watched him play; it might even have a long term impact on his physical ability (I hope I am wrong).

You won't find a professional coach that said something bad about Kai. His only problem is that the fans from club he plays for don't like him. You would think that KDB was a good lesson but nope, some really want history to repeat itself...

33 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

......................... a whole load of whingy whiney tosh, googled and collated to make a point that no-one was arguing with and then to highlight the school medals that my teenage man-crush won in the Aachen under-12's mixed soccer league..........................................

 

 

 

Still can't tell me anything at all that he has done in a Chelsea shirt to warrant your claim that he is a Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho level footballer when everything I see is him misplacing passes, losing the ball and hiding from the ball, when he is not costing us direct goals against.

I think he has it in him to be the next Kaka to be honest

Just now, yorkleyblue said:

Still can't tell me anything at all that he has done in a Chelsea shirt to warrant your claim that he is a Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho level footballer when everything I see is him misplacing passes, losing the ball and hiding from the ball, when he is not costing us direct goals against.

Still can't prove to me that what Kai Havertz did in Bundesliga didn't matter since we bought him because of it. LMAO 

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Still can't prove to me that what Kai Havertz did in Bundesliga didn't matter since we bought him because of it. LMAO 

I don't care what he did in Germany, he is currently a liability in a Chelsea shirt and you claiming he is some sort of footballing giant just makes you look stupid when everyone watching the matches can see the opposite.

 

Convince me he didn't misplace passes, pass straight off the pitch and hide from the ball last night.  I'm sure google can help you with that.  There must be stats and graphs.  I only know what I saw with my own eyes.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by yorkleyblue

46 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

There are 3 teams at best in the PL (Liverpool, Man City +1 you choose) as well, if you want to stretch that argument it's also the same in La Liga (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico).

But then again Sevilla casually kicked out Wolves and Man United last season in Europa League. How did the PL team do against the teams from the Bundesliga last season?

Bayern 2 wins vs Spurs, 3:1, 7:2
Bayern 2 wins vs Us, 3:0, 4:1

Leipzig 2 wins vs Spurs, 1:0, 3:0

In the Europa League:

Frankfurt 1 win 1 loss vs Arsenal 2:1, 0:3

So competitive I see, PL teams won 1 game out of 8, or if we squeeze in Glasgow Rangers that's 1 out of 10 after Frankfurt eliminated them in the Europa League knockout stages.

Who cares about the fact that German football gave Havertz the silver medal meaning that he was the second best U17 player of the country and then golden medal for the U19 generation meaning that he was the best young player in Germany just some year ago...
It's a weak league and no talent can possibly come out of there, what was Lampard thinking really, flying all the way there just so that we sign this guy for 70-80m?

 

 

 

Why do you spend you entire life on a Chelsea forum if the EPL isn't your cuppa tea ? 

6 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I don't care what he did in Germany, he is currently a liability in a Chelsea shirt and you claiming he is some sort of footballing giant just makes you look stupid when everyone watching the matches can see the opposite.

If you don't care what he did in Germany then why do you make yourself look like an idiot by discussing about it in the first place? First you say it didn't matter what he did, you lost that argument so now you're switching the goal post saying that you personally don't care what he did there...

What makes you stupid is that you're criticizing a 20-21 year old that came without a pre-season, had covid and that now got a new manager.

I think he's very sorry for not scoring 3 goals against Wolves check his social media maybe he apologized to you already since you have been yelling his name so much... For you it doesn't matter that he's basically 1 goal and 1 assist behind from Mount that has played more minutes, you're just going to keep crying while still thinking that it was a good decision to let go of KDB, that's just you isn't it?

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Why do you spend you entire life on a Chelsea forum if the EPL isn't your cuppa tea ? 

I'm not going to disregard a whole league just because someone else dislikes our player. If it didn't matter how Kai played in Bundesliga we wouldn't have bought him in the first place.

We have the patience for Mount but not for Kai, why is that? Honest question.

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

I'm not going to disregard a whole league just because someone else dislikes our player. If it didn't matter how Kai played in Bundesliga we wouldn't have bought him in the first place.

We have the patience for Mount but not for Kai, why is that? Honest question.

Demographics.

When people disrespect the league that has 6 teams left in CL & EL.

1 hour ago, ChelseaThailand said:

I think both of you are right, but I don't think it was his decision for his big money transfer fees. Just give him time and he will flourish, watch.

I think I was very clear that he wasn’t responsible for his fee, it may not be fair but what a player costs does influence our expectation of him, but ultimately the story gets told in the playing of football.

I said earlier, there is a football scout in us all, when we watch we form an opinion of a players ability and compare it with points of reference that we have formed from watching other players play in similar positions - In all honesty, I’ve seen nothing to suggest that this guy is going to help transform our team into world beaters, in fact , I’d go as far as saying that currently he detracts from the teams performance - if he went off and wasn’t replaced, I’m not sure that he would be missed ?

There were earlier comments liking Havertz to Ozil !! Well for me, that puts the tin hat on it , cause if what we have to look forward to is even close to what Ozil did(not) for the arsewipes, then God help us.

1 hour ago, Peckham Blue said:

Some of these kids have got a lot to learn about the history of Chelsea's No.9's.

It’s been cursed ever since we disrespected it by giving it to Khalid Boulahrouz and Steve Sidwell...

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

I'm not going to disregard a whole league just because someone else dislikes our player. If it didn't matter how Kai played in Bundesliga we wouldn't have bought him in the first place.

We have the patience for Mount but not for Kai, why is that? Honest question.

Are you really this daft? Patience for Mount? That doesn't even make sense. He is already one of our best players this season (if not the best) and no one ever had to have much patience with him because he was pretty much a success from day 1.  

 

33 minutes ago, Paddy said:

I think I was very clear that he wasn’t responsible for his fee, it may not be fair but what a player costs does influence our expectation of him, but ultimately the story gets told in the playing of football.

I said earlier, there is a football scout in us all, when we watch we form an opinion of a players ability and compare it with points of reference that we have formed from watching other players play in similar positions - In all honesty, I’ve seen nothing to suggest that this guy is going to help transform our team into world beaters, in fact , I’d go as far as saying that currently he detracts from the teams performance - if he went off and wasn’t replaced, I’m not sure that he would be missed ?

There were earlier comments liking Havertz to Ozil !! Well for me, that puts the tin hat on it , cause if what we have to look forward to is even close to what Ozil did(not) for the arsewipes, then God help us.

Fair enough, but I will politely disagree, and I hope I am right because if I am, will be good for the club and the kid.

Just now, reparto corse said:

Are you really this daft? Patience for Mount? That doesn't even make sense. He is already one of our best players this season (if not the best) and no one ever had to have much patience with him because he was pretty much a success from day 1.  

 

He is, but he had the time to become that, nobody played more games under Lampard than him. But even when he wasn't playing that well I don't recall people having 0 patience with him.

Last season in the first 5 games Mount had 3 goals scored or something like that, Kai this season 1 goal 2 assists, not that much different now is it?

Right now he has only 1 goal more and 1 assist more than Kai after playing around 6 more games than him.

I don't get why are some so worried, if Kai was at the age of Ziyech I would worry but he's far from his best years.

6 minutes ago, ChelseaThailand said:

Fair enough, but I will politely disagree, and I hope I am right because if I am, will be good for the club and the kid.

I hope your right too, cause although I want us to win leagues & trophy’s , I mostly want to watch my team play decent football ?

2 hours ago, Peckham Blue said:

Some of these kids have got a lot to learn about the history of Chelsea's No.9's.

Boulahrouz and Sidwell were great!

...did the club really put out a tweet celebrating a 16 pass move from this game?

 

Are we Le'Arse now!?!?!?!?

12 hours ago, Gol15 said:

If you don't care what he did in Germany then why do you make yourself look like an idiot by discussing about it in the first place? First you say it didn't matter what he did, you lost that argument so now you're switching the goal post saying that you personally don't care what he did there...

What makes you stupid is that you're criticizing a 20-21 year old that came without a pre-season, had covid and that now got a new manager.

I think he's very sorry for not scoring 3 goals against Wolves check his social media maybe he apologized to you already since you have been yelling his name so much... For you it doesn't matter that he's basically 1 goal and 1 assist behind from Mount that has played more minutes, you're just going to keep crying while still thinking that it was a good decision to let go of KDB, that's just you isn't it?

Should we be patient with Havertz? Absolutely. 

Is he playing well or good enough as Chelsea starter this season? Absolutely not. 

Havertz is jack of all trade type of player but none of them are at top level. Just relax and hopefully he will get much better especially physically. 

Btw using Mount as comparison is very bad, Mount has proven that he belong to this team. It is pretty obvious he has been one of our best performer in this team while playing in 275 different positions and role. 

Using assist and goals are also very2 bad to compare player. Unless they are playing similar role in the team, the comparison is valid otherwise it make 0 sense. 

23 hours ago, Nibs said:

If you honestly think last nights performance was more than ok, then you must have very low standards. That was one of the dullest games I have watched for a long time. We could still be playing now and not have troubled their keeper.

And you can't compare a home game and an away game. The onus is always on the home team to try and get a result so Wolves were always going to be more negative coming to The Bridge. And when all said and done, for all their negativity and all our passing and possession, Wolves came closest to scoring.

I'm not blaming Tuchel for any of that but please let's not make out last night was some great new begining.

 

 

Lampard's squad played nothing like this all season. 

The energy, intensity, direction, speed of play was all superior to most of the matches under Lamps. 

The fact is Wolves decided to make it almost impossible to score with how deep they played. There was only ever going to be one or two chances to unlock that game and force Wolves to open up and it was the chance Havertz created that Chilwell missed. So we actually could have had a goal earlier in the match. Havertz also had a brilliant header saved only by a defender on the goal line. 

We had the best opportunities of the match not Wolves. They had two counter attacks all game. 

What do you expect a team to do with possession when the other team has 11 behind the ball in their third no less? There will be a lot of sideways and back passes surely. 

1 hour ago, Saaladin said:

Lampard's squad played nothing like this all season. 

The energy, intensity, direction, speed of play was all superior to most of the matches under Lamps. 

The fact is Wolves decided to make it almost impossible to score with how deep they played. There was only ever going to be one or two chances to unlock that game and force Wolves to open up and it was the chance Havertz created that Chilwell missed. So we actually could have had a goal earlier in the match. Havertz also had a brilliant header saved only by a defender on the goal line. 

We had the best opportunities of the match not Wolves. They had two counter attacks all game. 

What do you expect a team to do with possession when the other team has 11 behind the ball in their third no less? There will be a lot of sideways and back passes surely. 

That was Wolves first clean sheet in PL since October. Every other side has managed to break them down - we couldn't.

And every pundit I have heard talk about the game admitted Wolves came closest to scoring. Our 821 passes and 80% possession are meaningless if we don't actua;;y do anything with it and our opponents still come closer to scoring.

3 hours ago, Nibs said:

That was Wolves first clean sheet in PL since October. Every other side has managed to break them down - we couldn't.

And every pundit I have heard talk about the game admitted Wolves came closest to scoring. Our 821 passes and 80% possession are meaningless if we don't actua;;y do anything with it and our opponents still come closer to scoring.

In most of those games I'm guessing Wolves had Raul Jimenez in the game. They didn't against us, in fact they didn't even play with a recognized striker.

Yes other opponents did manage to break down wolves but they were either weaker sides who didn't have to deal with 11 defending the box or sides in the top 6 who have in form goal scorers and playmakers. United for example have at least 5 players creating or scoring on any given day. 

If we had that possession and passing and control combined with some in form players we would have certainly scored a goal or two. Unfortunately, our form as a team has resulted in many players losing belief. Odoi won very few 1v1 duels, Pulisic very little when he came on, Chilwell failed to convert our best opportunity of the game. Tammy is not a PL striker for a top 6 team anyway, Giroud didn't really receive a decent cross to attack, Ziyech looked like he had no ideas and Havertz although he created our best chance is feeling his way through after being benched most of the season.

So, yeah we looked like we had useless possession but that had a lot more to do with individual performances than the structure control and discipline Chelsea played with. And until our attacking players pick up their belief and start performing at a high level we won't score much.

 

6 minutes ago, Saaladin said:

Tammy is not a PL striker for a top 6 team anyway,

 

He finished top scorer for 4th place team last season.