2 minutes ago, Edjmendy said:

Like it or not Lukaku is Chelsea's highest goal scorer despite being injured and not starting many games but he yet he gets all the hate!!!! 

That's what I'm saying. He's our top scorer and yet not a single Chelsea fan can say with a straight face that he's had even a remotely successful season. Should tell you all you need to know.

2 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Well Havertz doesn't exactly excite me when i watch him play either.

Not frequently enough, sure. He's 7 years younger than Lukaku though.

Havertz either looks like he's never played football before or a world beater. Never in between. 

Can't label him a flop or a success yet. His performance in Porto is the only reason why I didn't highlight him. 

By that logic he should win our player of the season award. He is our top scorer after all.

3 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

Not frequently enough, sure. He's 7 years younger than Lukaku though.

Lukaku at Havertz age was scoring 17 goals at West Brom including a hattrick VS Man Utd, 2 goals VS Liverpool, followed by 15 goals at Everton.

Havertz is the most protected player in the fanbase. Havertz apparently gets better in the second half of the season, he doesn't for us.

Horrible VS Man Utd

Horrible VS Everton

Horrible VS Palace

Horrible VS West Ham

Average away VS Madrid

38 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Havertz is the most protected player in the fanbase.

Disagree. We have a fanbase that constantly criticises our attack whilst simultaneously defend an attacking player that is an academy product. 

Which ever way you look at it, our attack is poor. Mount is also a reason for it. 

29 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Lukaku at Havertz age was scoring 17 goals at West Brom including a hattrick VS Man Utd, 2 goals VS Liverpool, followed by 15 goals at Everton.

Havertz is the most protected player in the fanbase. Havertz apparently gets better in the second half of the season, he doesn't for us.

Horrible VS Man Utd

Horrible VS Everton

Horrible VS Palace

Horrible VS West Ham

Average away VS Madrid

I don't think Havertz should be protected. He has to start becoming a lot more consistent for us, I don't think anyone here is disputing that.

With Lukaku you already know what you're gonna get. His attitude stunk at every club he's been at. Don't believe me? Ask the fans of the clubs he's been at.

Apart from his disallowed goal against Liverpool in the league cup final, he has shown nothing in a Chelsea shirt worthy of being kept around next season let alone warranting being our main man up front.

2 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

he has shown nothing in a Chelsea shirt worthy of being kept around next season let alone warranting being our main man up front.

I'd say not one attacker in this team has warranted a spot in the starting XI next season. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

I'd say not one attacker in this team has warranted a spot in the starting XI next season. 

I agree. It's just with Lukaku, he was brought it in as the finished product, and yet he's the worst of the lot.

3 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

I agree. It's just with Lukaku, he was brought it in as the finished product, and yet he's the worst of the lot.

Think his signing alone highlights everything wrong with how we've operated the past 6 years. 

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

Lukaku at Havertz age was scoring 17 goals at West Brom including a hattrick VS Man Utd, 2 goals VS Liverpool, followed by 15 goals at Everton.

And despite that was still playing second fiddle to Shane Long.

The fact he even went to Everton when he had the chance to be in title challenging squads says everything you need to know.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

And despite that was still playing second fiddle to Shane Long.

The fact he even went to Everton when he had the chance to be in title challenging squads says everything you need to know.

He started 20 games in the PL that season.

Yeah he didn't want to sit on the bench, he wanted to go and play. I respect players who want to do that.

Livramento did a similar thing this summer.

1 minute ago, jack_super_class said:

He started 20 games in the PL that season.

Yeah he didn't want to sit on the bench, he wanted to go and play. I respect players who want to do that.

Livramento did a similar thing this summer.

In hindsight it could be argued Livramento was a bit overzealous leaving given Reece's injury issues and occasional need to play in the back 3.

Regarding Lukaku, first year he came back with Torres, Ba and a 32 year old Eto'o as competition, then he was offered a spot as direct understudy to Diego Costa (which would have still been plenty of minutes as Remy found out).

In a club like Chelsea you don't get a spot handed to you, the player he claims to idolise had to fight off Eidur, Crespo, Sheva, Anelka amoung others for the right to be called the main man.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

In hindsight it could be argued Livramento was a bit overzealous leaving given Reece's injury issues and occasional need to play in the back 3.

Regarding Lukaku, first year he came back with Torres, Ba and a 32 year old Eto'o as competition, then he was offered a spot as direct understudy to Diego Costa (which would have still been plenty of minutes as Remy found out).

In a club like Chelsea you don't get a spot handed to you, the player he claims to idolise had to fight off Eidur, Crespo, Sheva, Anelka amoung others for the right to be called the main man.

Lukaku first year was under AVB where he was never used, a waste of a season.

Second season he done well at West Brom, scoring 17 goals in 20 starts.

Third season he did well again at Everton.

Forth season we bought Costa and Drogba and he probably felt he wasn't going to play much, he was probably right. Remy hardly ever played though, only if Drogba or Costa were out. I remember because i wanted Remy to start over Drogba.

I just looked Remy only started 6 league games. Lukaku was at an age where he needed to play and develop and get better, he was too good to be a third choice CF.

Same with De Bruyne.

Wish he would loose some weight.. 

He was lean before he came to us wasn't he? 

i know one thing ,if I was playing alongside him up front I wouldnt be able to deal with the gesticulating when he doesnt get a pass. Its ridiculous sometimes, he has two players around him and hes screaming for the ball when one of our players has a clear shot on goal.

16 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

Lukaku at Havertz age was scoring 17 goals at West Brom including a hattrick VS Man Utd, 2 goals VS Liverpool, followed by 15 goals at Everton.

Havertz is the most protected player in the fanbase. Havertz apparently gets better in the second half of the season, he doesn't for us.

Horrible VS Man Utd

Horrible VS Everton

Horrible VS Palace

Horrible VS West Ham

Average away VS Madrid

Lukaku is a striker, Havertz is a false 9 or secondary striker. Can't compare their goal scoring rates imo. 

43 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Lukaku is a striker, Havertz is a false 9 or secondary striker. Can't compare their goal scoring rates imo. 

I disagree. Havertz looks like he’s playing cf to me .

2 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

I disagree. Havertz looks like he’s playing cf to me .

you can disagree if you wish, but you would be wrong. 

33 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

you can disagree if you wish, but you would be wrong. 

Well yeah, so could you.

16 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

Lukaku first year was under AVB where he was never used, a waste of a season.

Second season he done well at West Brom, scoring 17 goals in 20 starts.

Third season he did well again at Everton.

Forth season we bought Costa and Drogba and he probably felt he wasn't going to play much, he was probably right. Remy hardly ever played though, only if Drogba or Costa were out. I remember because i wanted Remy to start over Drogba.

I just looked Remy only started 6 league games. Lukaku was at an age where he needed to play and develop and get better, he was too good to be a third choice CF.

Same with De Bruyne.

Remy had injury issues aswell, whenever it was a completely direct choice between him and Drogs i think he got the nod more than he didn't (i actually researched it at the time). Although fair enough i did think he started more than 6 games.

Edited May 16, 20224 yr by Argo

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Remy had injury issues aswell, whenever it was a completely direct choice between him and Drogs i think he got the nod more than he didn't (i actually researched it when at the time). Although fair enough i did think he started more than 6 games.

Yeah thats true tbf, i forgot Remy injuries. i still think Mourinho preferred Drogba over Remy though. Mourinho would of played Drogba over Lukaku too i think if Lukaku had stayed.

36 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

you can disagree if you wish, but you would be wrong. 

He is playing as a 9 for us 

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

Well yeah, so could you.

When Havertz plays 'up top', he operates in a similar manner to Firmino at Liverpool with him being there to create rather than be a focal point and finisher like Lukaku is. It would be like comparing Aguero's output to Bergkamp's.

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

He is playing as a 9 for us 

read my above reply to Jack. A 'number 9' means nothing to how someone plays, it's just a position for Sky Sports to put your face on the infographic before kick off for the line up.