7 hours ago, Whiskyjack said:

This is a pointless argument, you don't have evidence that she doesn't either.  I'll have to agree to disagree with you.  Marina having this power from being the most stable authoritative figure at the club as coaches move on at an almost yearly basis tells me she has that power at the club.  You don't have to believe me.

You're the one making the claims as a fact, you are the one that needs to substantiate those claims of facts.

18 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

When Pulisic was ripping the league up under Lamps there was no complaints on here or anywhere. It's no shock that a player that is constantly injured has struggled to pick up form since. If anything, Scott McLachlan did a good job profiling him as the potential Hazard replacement as he so comfortably looked under Lamps in that first season. 9 league goals in 25 apps in a team so unbalanced. He's been much better than Sancho since arriving, this is why scouts are in jobs and not HazardourChoice, the 15 year old arm chair glory supporter that expects Chelsea to win the CL and league title every season.

No one talk about this but Pulisic was our star player in his first season and since Tuchel took over he has gone missing(you can pretty much say the same thing about all of our attacker though) 

Edited June 22, 20224 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, zolawannabe25 said:

Inter got arguably the best player in the world in 2010 from reals bench in the form of snjieder. Bayern Munich picked up robben who was benched and he was ridiculous for them. They were happy to let makalele go to us as well. It has happened where the bench has hidden gems

Fair call, this is true.  There are no absolutes in football.

If our ambition is to unseat Man City though I still don't think we should be buying their bench players, and as a rule we probably shouldn't be buying bench players from tier 2 European clubs like Dortmund either.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

You're the one making the claims as a fact, you are the one that needs to substantiate those claims of facts.

Point out where I ever said anything was fact.  It's my opinion (I thought this clearly goes without saying but I guess not) that she is the single most influential person on the committee that has collectively determined transfers at Chelsea in the previous regime. 

You are entirely free to disagree with that or not.  

Marina was involved is some good decisions and involved in some not so good decisions.

The club has been very successful in her time here so we can’t complain really, however I do think we needed a new strategy from the board as we have made some bad decisions in recent years regarding buying players, letting contracts run down, selling off promising academy players etc…

I’m looking forward to the new era and hopefully having  dedicated people for dedicated jobs like D.O.F, youth development, a proper scouting team etc…

Should be a fun ride.

 

With Marina gone, and the likelihood of bringing in a DoF, it does make Cech rathe redundant. Don't even know what he does really. 

 

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— Nizaar Kinsella (@NizaarKinsella) June 22, 2022

8 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

With Marina gone, and the likelihood of bringing in a DoF, it does make Cech rathe redundant. Don't even know what he does really. 

 

Exclusive: Petr Cech to have talks with Todd Boehly about his role at Chelsea after board reshuffle and a sporting director role is added. Those talks will be central to whether he stays or leaves https://t.co/ekY7A0qpao #cfc

— Nizaar Kinsella (@NizaarKinsella) June 22, 2022

He is next out imo, he is part of the old system so either he is promoted to be the sports director or he is out the door.

We really need to nail the sporting director role. Michael edwards should be first choice. I would even sound out Rangnick. He was a terrible coach but is an excellent director. And he knows Tuchel well and his playing style. It could be a good combination. 

I would keep Cech. He is intelligent,  knows the club inside out and could be an asset to the new director to connect the youth and main teams.

16 hours ago, Whiskyjack said:

This is a pointless argument, you don't have evidence that she doesn't either.  I'll have to agree to disagree with you.  Marina having this power from being the most stable authoritative figure at the club as coaches move on at an almost yearly basis tells me she has that power at the club.  You don't have to believe me.

I mean she obviously has power in negotiations and for that has to take some of the responsibility.

But i think what me, @dkwand others are arguing is the notion she picks the players to target herself. It doesn't stand up to logic and I'll have to see some close to irrefutable evidence to be swayed on that.

23 minutes ago, RomansRoubles said:

We really need to nail the sporting director role. Michael edwards should be first choice. I would even sound out Rangnick. He was a terrible coach but is an excellent director. And he knows Tuchel well and his playing style. It could be a good combination. 

I would keep Cech. He is intelligent,  knows the club inside out and could be an asset to the new director to connect the youth and main teams.

Cech has always come across well Tuchel seems to like him. However if the power has been given to Tuchel, it’s difficult to see what role he would do and how much value it would have. 
 

I’d be interested to know whether Cech’s relationship with Frank soured or if it was ok. I presume Cech would have been involved in conversations about sacking Frank. 

Edited June 22, 20224 yr by JM7

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Cech has always come across well Tuchel seems to like him. However if the power has been given to Tuchel, it’s difficult to see what role he would do and how much value it would have. 
 

I’d be interested to know whether Cech’s relationship with Frank soured or if it was ok. I presume Cech would have been involved in conversations about sacking Frank. 

Tuchel won't have time for the youth and dev teams. Also, Cech has a lot of Chelsea connections which the new owners and sporting director won't have. It will be a reduced role but I do think we will benefit from some continuity from the old regime.  

Better get Michael Edwards in quick. Tuchel is not a good sporting director.

49 minutes ago, Argo said:

I mean she obviously has power in negotiations and for that has to take some of the responsibility.

But i think what me, @dkwand others are arguing is the notion she picks the players to target herself. It doesn't stand up to logic and I'll have to see some close to irrefutable evidence to be swayed on that.

For some reason or other though, I suspect Lukaku was a Roman or Roman/Marina purchase… Roman sending his son to negotiate etc. Maybe just a conspiracy theory and there is someone in charge of our purchases who despite having football knowledge lacks a proper thought process.

3 minutes ago, charierre said:

For some reason or other though, I suspect Lukaku was a Roman or Roman/Marina purchase… Roman sending his son to negotiate etc. Maybe just a conspiracy theory and there is someone in charge of our purchases who despite having football knowledge lacks a proper thought process.

My personal opinion is the club has a whole panicked at our lack of goals from the season before and thought it would be easier to fit him in the system than it turned out.

The links with Sterling and Raphina are pretty promising in the sense that we seem to be now identifying stylistic fits as opposed to what we did last summer. I can forgive underwhelming signings if they should have worked on paper (ala Werner, Ziyech or even Kepa) but Lukaku made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

My personal opinion is the club has a whole panicked at our lack of goals from the season before and thought it would be easier to fit him in the system than it turned out.

The links with Sterling and Raphina are pretty promising in the sense that we seem to be now identifying stylistic fits as opposed to what we did last summer. I can forgive underwhelming signings if they should have worked on paper (ala Werner, Ziyech or even Kepa) but Lukaku made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I would hope we’re not serious about Raphina at 65m with Gnabry available at just over half that fee. Sterling I’ve no problem with or Jesus who I think may flourish away from City. All would suit…Let’s get some CDs first though!

1 hour ago, Argo said:

I mean she obviously has power in negotiations and for that has to take some of the responsibility.

But i think what me, @dkwand others are arguing is the notion she picks the players to target herself. It doesn't stand up to logic and I'll have to see some close to irrefutable evidence to be swayed on that.

She will obviously have listened to arguments from the coach, scouts and even Petr Cech.

But she was the only one (and Roman)  with the power to actually make the decisions. And sometimes she would listened to the coach and multiple times she would not. There have been countless instances of that the last few years. She fell out with Lampard because he wanted to spend the £80 million Rice was available for two years ago for example. And she fell out with Conte and Emenalo when she decided to buy Morata instead of the available Lukaku that Conte and Emenalo were desperate for. And that's just two examples.

10 minutes ago, Sindre said:

She will obviously have listened to arguments from the coach, scouts and even Petr Cech.

But she was the only one (and Roman)  with the power to actually make the decisions. And sometimes she would listened to the coach and multiple times she would not. There have been countless instances of that the last few years. She fell out with Lampard because he wanted to spend the £80 million Rice was available for two years ago for example. And she fell out with Conte and Emenalo when she decided to buy Morata instead of the available Lukaku that Conte and Emenalo were desperate for. And that's just two examples.

But in what context? Does she pick the player out of the list she's given who she thinks is a combination of the most attainable and financially suitable? I can see that.

Does she go round and pick players from scratch herself? Not a chance for me.

On 23/06/2022 at 02:18, Argo said:

But in what context? Does she pick the player out of the list she's given who she thinks is a combination of the most attainable and financially suitable? I can see that.

Does she go round and pick players from scratch herself? Not a chance for me.

See I completely agree with you here and your previous post too, she doesn't pick the players herself, BUT my conclusion differs: as she decides how much to pay to get the options in the list, and whether or not to get them, already makes her the single most powerful (and responsible) figure in our transfers committee.

For example, theres a list of 3 strikers from last season, her saying "option 1) Haaland and option 2) Kane for 150m is too much or can't get, I'm going with Option 3 Lukaku", gives her the discretion to assign worth (or lack thereof for Kounde, Rice and some Conte transfer targets) makes her the most responsible person for our lacklustre incoming transfers record imho.

7 hours ago, Whiskyjack said:

See I completely agree with you here and your previous post too, she doesn't pick the players herself, BUT my conclusion differs: as she decides how much to pay to get the options in the list, and whether or not to get them, already makes her the single most powerful (and responsible) figure in our transfers committee.

For example, theres a list of 3 strikers from last season, her saying "option 1) Haaland and option 2) Kane for 150m is too much or can't get, I'm going with Option 3 Lukaku", gives her the discretion to assign worth (or lack thereof for Kounde, Rice and some Conte transfer targets) makes her the most responsible person for our lacklustre incoming transfers record imho.

But that's the point, she's not guilty that someone wrote Lukaku's name down on the list! If I go to my wife with a list of three things I want, 1) an Aston Martin, 2) a Harley Davison, 3) a holiday in the beach. Even though I'd rather have the Porsche or the Harley, we haven't got the finances, so we are left with the beach, even though I'd rather go to the mountains! Whose fault is it? Mine for writing down "holiday in the beach" when I don't like it. Same here, she did not pick up Lukaku! Lukaku was on the list and was the one that was achievable. The fault is of those that put his name down on the list, and that wasn't her.

Now, could she have negotiated a better deal and better contract? Maybe yes, but probably not because Inter did not want to sell and we had to lure him to come with money and more money. Someone could have told her that they didn't need him, much less at the quoted price, and I'm sure that she would have been happy to save Roman some quids. The other option is that it was Roman himself that wanted him, as some suggest. Then again it is not her fault, it would be Roman's.

19 minutes ago, RMH said:

But that's the point, she's not guilty that someone wrote Lukaku's name down on the list! If I go to my wife with a list of three things I want, 1) an Aston Martin, 2) a Harley Davison, 3) a holiday in the beach. Even though I'd rather have the Porsche or the Harley, we haven't got the finances, so we are left with the beach, even though I'd rather go to the mountains! Whose fault is it? Mine for writing down "holiday in the beach" when I don't like it. Same here, she did not pick up Lukaku! Lukaku was on the list and was the one that was achievable. The fault is of those that put his name down on the list, and that wasn't her.

Now, could she have negotiated a better deal and better contract? Maybe yes, but probably not because Inter did not want to sell and we had to lure him to come with money and more money. Someone could have told her that they didn't need him, much less at the quoted price, and I'm sure that she would have been happy to save Roman some quids. The other option is that it was Roman himself that wanted him, as some suggest. Then again it is not her fault, it would be Roman's.

She was obviously involved in the process of making the list though. Not to mention she was responsible for making sure our scouting department was up to scratch in the first place. When it became obvious that Scott McLachlan wasn't doing his job well enough she should have sacked him and replaced him with someone better. But on the contrary she promoted McLachlan after Emenalo left. This is from back in 2017 after Emenalo had departed:

"Chelsea have tasked head scout Scott McLachlan with filling the hole left by former technical director Michael Emenalo. McLachlan will work closely with Granovskaia to achieve the club's objectives and is already drawing up plans for the January transfer window."

So ultimately it always goes back to decisions that Marina have made.

 

 

 

My baby's still looking fit.

 

 

Damn, the woman is fine.

I thought she should have won her court case, c'est la vie. 

I think that's the first time I've heard her voice. 😍

On 15/06/2024 at 23:07, abramovich said:

My baby's still looking fit.

 

 

She was the hottest Chelsea staff member since Ken Bates. A big fan.