9 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Apparently training has been cancelled today. Some rumours that Potter has gone and the announcement will be tomorrow. Could be rubbish of course. Bound to be a fair amount of speculation out there.

you dont train after a game anyway

12 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Apparently training has been cancelled today. Some rumours that Potter has gone and the announcement will be tomorrow. Could be rubbish of course. Bound to be a fair amount of speculation out there.

1/2 with Skybet for next PL Manager to leave his club ... strong odds, but probably not yet strong enough to "confirm" the rumour LOL

What was your source btw ?

2 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

1/2 with Skybet for next PL Manager to leave his club ... strong odds, but probably not yet strong enough to "confirm" the rumour LOL

What was your source btw ?

There have been some threads on the chat on official site. Source seems to be a specific Twitter user, although apparently he is quite respected. We shall see.

51 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

There is nothing to debate when you lot make up alternative realities to defend him.

But if losing Mount this coming summer and every single player getting worse and worse the more Potter gets to work with them is progress in your book then be my guest. Mudryk was on fire before he was coached by our "quality management team", now he's worse than Pulisic. Enzo, Badiashile and Felix are going in the same direction as well. Soon enough we'll have to replace them too if Potter stays on.

I don't make up anything dude. Climb down off your high horse - people are allowed to have different perspectives and opinions - it is nothing to do with your hyperbolic "alternative reality" nonsense.

I get you don't like Potter. We are pretty much on the same page there, as frankly, as I have said multiple times, I have big concerns with him, hate his passive nature, and have not seen sufficient progress. So - despite your "end of the world" outlook, we both fundamentally agree on the manager's shortcomings at this stage of his Chelsea career. Simply put, he has not been good enough.

But.....

If you genuinely expected the new manager to come in, and get the team firing after 6 months, then I don't think you grasp the scale of the task. Our team was broken. Utterly rotten and dysfunctional, with players either not good enough or not caring enough to fight for the cause. This was as the result of YEARS worth of mismanagement and short term fixes. Plasters being put over a wound, and moving forward for short-term success.

Rightly or Wrongly, the new owners want to stop this reactive, short-term nature we have adopted and have a long-term plan. Tuchel wasnt up for the vision and new model - so he went. Potter was up for it, and the owners have backed him.....

But....

When has a team ever before successfully integrated so many new signings in such a short period of time. I can't think of any previous instances. Teams take time to build and gel, and simply throwing young players into the team and hoping it would work  - well, that's a "you problem". i.e Very unrealistic.

Todd and Co have invested in the future. This will not be a 6 mth process. It probably won't be a 1-year process. It will be a long, painful slog to get out of the rut we had fallen into for years. The same would be true for any manager who is playing the long game. To change the identity, DNA, and fabric of the team will take a long time to do.

Now....you and many vocal others on here do not think Potter is the right man for that rebuild. I also have concerns. But if this is our chance to move away from the model that has left the team rotten for the last few years, then so be it. I would rather the pain now, rather than revert to the short-term thinking of going back to a Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel type manager.

THE TLDNR

- The club has been rotten to the core for years. Stagnating on and off the pitch.

- Moving away from the old guard will take time.

- Embedding a new system will take time.

- Integrating all the new players, most of whom are young and inexperienced, will take time.

- Clearing the deadwood and cultivating a new DNA will take time.

- Potter may or may not (probably not) be the best option for the rebuild - but it is who we have. As long as I can see some progress then I will back him.

- This will take years. Not weeks or months. There will be ups (Milan, Dortmund performances were all bright) and downs (drawing to forest, losing to everton and southampton etc).

- We need more ups...but patience is a virtue.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

bad results is fine as long as you witness improvement in performances But I'm afraid I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

I'm glad you're still prepared to stick to your guns and give him time, despite having second thoughts, unlike many who said give him time, then waited less than 3 weeks after the plethora of new transfers before bottling it and calling for his sacking.

As far as improvements, we have improved a little, out of the last 3 games two of them were very acceptable performances, and one obviously not a good performance. It's something to grasp onto for now.

5 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I don't make up anything dude. Climb down off your high horse - people are allowed to have different perspectives and opinions - it is nothing to do with your hyperbolic "alternative reality" nonsense.

I get you don't like Potter. We are pretty much on the same page there, as frankly, as I have said multiple times, I have big concerns with him, hate his passive nature, and have not seen sufficient progress. So - despite your "end of the world" outlook, we both fundamentally agree on the manager's shortcomings at this stage of his Chelsea career. Simply put, he has not been good enough.

But.....

If you genuinely expected the new manager to come in, and get the team firing after 6 months, then I don't think you grasp the scale of the task. Our team was broken. Utterly rotten and dysfunctional, with players either not good enough or not caring enough to fight for the cause. This was as the result of YEARS worth of mismanagement and short term fixes. Plasters being put over a wound, and moving forward for short-term success.

Rightly or Wrongly, the new owners want to stop this reactive, short-term nature we have adopted and have a long-term plan. Tuchel wasnt up for the vision and new model - so he went. Potter was up for it, and the owners have backed him.....

But....

When has a team ever before successfully integrated so many new signings in such a short period of time. I can't think of any previous instances. Teams take time to build and gel, and simply throwing young players into the team and hoping it would work  - well, that's a "you problem". i.e Very unrealistic.

Todd and Co have invested in the future. This will not be a 6 mth process. It probably won't be a 1-year process. It will be a long, painful slog to get out of the rut we had fallen into for years. The same would be true for any manager who is playing the long game. To change the identity, DNA, and fabric of the team will take a long time to do.

Now....you and many vocal others on here do not think Potter is the right man for that rebuild. I also have concerns. But if this is our chance to move away from the model that has left the team rotten for the last few years, then so be it. I would rather the pain now, rather than revert to the short-term thinking of going back to a Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel type manager.

THE TLDNR

- The club has been rotten to the core for years. Stagnating on and off the pitch.

- Moving away from the old guard will take time.

- Embedding a new system will take time.

- Integrating all the new players, most of whom are young and inexperienced, will take time.

- Clearing the deadwood and cultivating a new DNA will take time.

- Potter may or may not (probably not) be the best option for the rebuild - but it is who we have. As long as I can see some progress then I will back him.

- This will take years. Not weeks or months. There will be ups (Milan, Dortmund performances were all bright) and downs (drawing to forest, losing to everton and southampton etc).

- We need more ups...but patience is a virtue.

 

 

 

Think I'll give that match a miss. Know of any other defeats to come Jim? 

7 minutes ago, coco said:

I'm glad you're still prepared to stick to your guns and give him time, despite having second thoughts, unlike many who said give him time, then waited less than 3 weeks after the plethora of new transfers before bottling it and calling for his sacking.

As far as improvements, we have improved a little, out of the last 3 games two of them were very acceptable performances, and one obviously not a good performance. It's something to grasp onto for now.

Yes. I think that is a fair assessment. First half was particularly poor yesterday, but unfortunately we've seen that kind of thing before after European games and especially against supposedly weaker opposition. The inability to score goals is the biggest issue. I always felt there was a decent chance we would let a goal in yesterday. But we really should be scoring a few goals against a defense as poor as theirs.

Could you imagine potter managing Ronaldo or Neymar🤣🤣

2 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Could you imagine potter managing Ronaldo or Neymar🤣🤣

Got anymore positives like that ?

44 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Apparently training has been cancelled today. Some rumours that Potter has gone and the announcement will be tomorrow. Could be rubbish of course. Bound to be a fair amount of speculation out there.

 

35 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

you dont train after a game anyway

Exactly. With no midweek game am sure a day off was pre planned.

4 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Could you imagine potter managing Ronaldo or Neymar🤣🤣

To be honest, I wouldn't blame any coach for struggling with those 2.. Don't care how good they are / were, they are toxic.

33 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

1/2 with Skybet for next PL Manager to leave his club ... strong odds, but probably not yet strong enough to "confirm" the rumour LOL

What was your source btw ?

Please remember people to take these things will a large handful of salt. Unless they come from the Shed ends oracle @JM7then that sauce just ain't right 😉

7 minutes ago, El regreso said:

Could you imagine potter managing Ronaldo or Neymar🤣🤣

Ronaldo would have retired with about 50 career goals if he'd been coached by Potter his entire career.

1 minute ago, TimesUpPotter said:

Ronaldo would have retired with about 50 career goals if he'd been coached by Potter his entire career.

Still, not bad for a left back !

29 minutes ago, coco said:

I'm glad you're still prepared to stick to your guns and give him time, despite having second thoughts, unlike many who said give him time, then waited less than 3 weeks after the plethora of new transfers before bottling it and calling for his sacking.

As far as improvements, we have improved a little, out of the last 3 games two of them were very acceptable performances, and one obviously not a good performance. It's something to grasp onto for now.

Does it count for the ones like me who always knew he was sh*te to begin with? 

7 hours ago, Dean said:

I understand where you’re coming from @axman2526 and agree to an extent. But a coach needs charisma and to inspire. It’s very difficult for players to perform otherwise even if their intentions are good. Things don’t work, frustration grows, and it becomes a downward spiral. We’ve probably all experienced some version of this in our lives and can identify with it. 

It’s the wrong job spec for Potter. He could maybe inspire players at Brighton with his mentoring etc. But this is a different gig. Needs a different sort of charisma. It’s almost as if Potter is scared, overwhelmed . I feel for him in a way… within limits of course. I mean there are far greater causes for sympathy in this effed up world, and he’s getting paid stupid money, etc, but that’s not his fault and I doubt he’s happier now than he was when he was earning much less.

 

The job spec thing cuts the other way too. If Guardiola became Southampton coach tomorrow, I doubt they’d do better than they are, and there’s a decent chance they’d be worse. Again - different gig. For that reason, potter at Chelsea isnt going to work. But as we’ve also discussed, we may have a bigger problem! 

Fair points my old friend. Where do we draw the line and hold the players accountable? Without Roman the system won't be the same, even charismatic managers like Jose had the players turn on him.

49 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

THE TLDNR

- We need more ups...but patience is a virtue.

Not when you consider what is at stake. Which is financial sustainability and a return on investment. 

To be quite frank there should no longer be any excuses for Potter after yesterday. A line now has been drawn. It's over. We got outplayed at home to the worst team in the league. A team with no manager. A team that has been in utter disarray for months. A team that just lost to a 10 man Wolves side. Considering all that we never looked like scoring bar the Sterling chance. 

Yesterday's match accumulated everything as to why Potter is out of his depth. 6 months and zero identity. No cohesion in the build up, team press or attacking sequence. It's becoming evident this job is too big for him and he is relying on certain players to bail him out, IE James and Silva. Those two are out of the team, sheer capitulation. 

 

Closer to relegation than Top 4. I would be incredibly surprised if those upstairs aren't discussing options. 

Edited February 19, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not when you consider what is at stake. Which is financial sustainability and a return on investment. 

To be quite frank there should no longer be any excuses for Potter after yesterday. A line now has been drawn. It's over. We got outplayed at home to the worst team in the league. A team with no manager. A team that has been in utter disarray for months. A team that just lost to a 10 man Wolves side. Considering all that we never looked like scoring bar the Sterling chance. 

Yesterday's match accumulated everything as to why Potter is out of his depth. 8 months and zero identity. No cohesion in the build up, team press or attacking sequence. It's becoming evident this job is too big for him and he is relying on certain players to bail him out, IE James and Silva. Those two are out of the team, sheer capitulation. 

 

Closer to relegation than Top 4. I would be incredibly surprised if those upstairs aren't discussing options. 

8 months ?

He started on 8th September. He's almost half way through his 6th month. Your other points are all valid, but we don't need to make it look worse than it already is !

Edited February 19, 20233 yr by Sexyfootball

3 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

8 months ?

He started on 8th September. He's almost half way through his 6th month. Your other points are all valid, but we don't need to make it look worse than it already is !

Genuine error. No idea why I had 8 on my mind. 

51 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I don't make up anything dude. Climb down off your high horse - people are allowed to have different perspectives and opinions - it is nothing to do with your hyperbolic "alternative reality" nonsense.

I get you don't like Potter. We are pretty much on the same page there, as frankly, as I have said multiple times, I have big concerns with him, hate his passive nature, and have not seen sufficient progress. So - despite your "end of the world" outlook, we both fundamentally agree on the manager's shortcomings at this stage of his Chelsea career. Simply put, he has not been good enough.

But.....

If you genuinely expected the new manager to come in, and get the team firing after 6 months, then I don't think you grasp the scale of the task. Our team was broken. Utterly rotten and dysfunctional, with players either not good enough or not caring enough to fight for the cause. This was as the result of YEARS worth of mismanagement and short term fixes. Plasters being put over a wound, and moving forward for short-term success.

Rightly or Wrongly, the new owners want to stop this reactive, short-term nature we have adopted and have a long-term plan. Tuchel wasnt up for the vision and new model - so he went. Potter was up for it, and the owners have backed him.....

But....

When has a team ever before successfully integrated so many new signings in such a short period of time. I can't think of any previous instances. Teams take time to build and gel, and simply throwing young players into the team and hoping it would work  - well, that's a "you problem". i.e Very unrealistic.

Todd and Co have invested in the future. This will not be a 6 mth process. It probably won't be a 1-year process. It will be a long, painful slog to get out of the rut we had fallen into for years. The same would be true for any manager who is playing the long game. To change the identity, DNA, and fabric of the team will take a long time to do.

Now....you and many vocal others on here do not think Potter is the right man for that rebuild. I also have concerns. But if this is our chance to move away from the model that has left the team rotten for the last few years, then so be it. I would rather the pain now, rather than revert to the short-term thinking of going back to a Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel type manager.

THE TLDNR

- The club has been rotten to the core for years. Stagnating on and off the pitch.

- Moving away from the old guard will take time.

- Embedding a new system will take time.

- Integrating all the new players, most of whom are young and inexperienced, will take time.

- Clearing the deadwood and cultivating a new DNA will take time.

- Potter may or may not (probably not) be the best option for the rebuild - but it is who we have. As long as I can see some progress then I will back him.

- This will take years. Not weeks or months. There will be ups (Milan, Dortmund performances were all bright) and downs (drawing to forest, losing to everton and southampton etc).

- We need more ups...but patience is a virtue.

 

 

 

Rotten to the core for years? We've finished inside the top 4 for the past 5 seasons, along with winning a Champions Leage, Europa League, Club World Cup and getting to multiple Cup finals. Most club's fans (aside from City and Liverpool), would have dreamed to have the kind of success we have. 

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Genuine error. No idea why I had 8 on my mind. 

Don't worry mate, it's felt like it's been 5 years for me. 

8 hours ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

The blame for this whole debacle lies squarely with the Yanks. Appointing a manager with no CV justifying him getting the job / clearing out pretty well all backroom staff / ditto boardroom staff / paying the utterly ludicrous prices for all of the incoming players. Todd and Co have been made to look like complete fools. Potter should be sacked today but will probably limp on. Showing him the door would be the Yanks acknowledging their massive error made…..and to me they look too arrogant to hold their hands up on this front. Let the circus continue.

Even when an unqualified manager like Lampard was hired, at least he had credit in the bank with a sterling career as a Chelsea player and a promotion playoff appearance with Derby. GP had a 10th place finish in same championship with a recently relegated Swansea with the highlight being an FA cup quarter final loss against City. Lamps also got to an FA cup final which though lost shows he still is better than GP. 

A most baffling decision to hire the man. Must be something we don't know. 

3 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Even when an unqualified manager like Lampard was hired, at least he had credit in the bank with a sterling career as a Chelsea player and a promotion playoff appearance with Derby. GP had a 10th place finish in same championship with a recently relegated Swansea with the highlight being an FA cup quarter final loss against City. Lamps also got to an FA cup final which though lost shows he still is better than GP. 

A most baffling decision to hire the man. Must be something we don't know. 

Pure media hype because they saw him as a future England coach, that's all it was.

7 hours ago, bisright1 said:

You can get projects at big clubs. You just need to retain a basic level of service throughout the project. 

Which is why even Man City in preparation for the arrival of the great man himself Pep always ensured they had people in place to ensure a level of success Pep could easily build on to dominate. 

Imagine we are sh*t for 2 years and then we become the best team in the world winning the league and the CL. Imagine that and how this thread is going to look like then 2 years down the line. We are all going to be calling Potter the next Fergie by then.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?